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1. 05:40 AM - texel fly-in (Rowland Carson)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: texel fly-in (Frans Veldman)
3. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Fitting doors (Rick Stockton)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Fitting doors (danbish)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Fitting doors (Fred Klein)
6. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Fitting doors (Rick Stockton)
7. 02:08 PM - Fitting doors (Fred Klein)
8. 04:16 PM - Re: Fitting doors (Graham Singleton)
9. 05:14 PM - Head Count for Rough River Fly in (Paul McAllister)
10. 05:30 PM - Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 07:04 PM - Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in (Robert Borger)
12. 07:04 PM - Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in (JEFF ROBERTS)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Fitting doors (Fred Klein)
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I'm posting this on behalf of Tim Houlihan and myself.
Tim plans to attend the Texel fly-in in G-BZTH with me as ballast,
going Friday and returning Saturday (need to be back for commitments
on Sunday).
Just wondering if any of the other people from UK are likely to be
following a similar route to ourselves.
Here's the list of the UK people slated to be arriving at Texel on
Friday, sorted by departure field.
G-RVDG Vans RV-9 David Gill ZZZZ Bicester
G-BZTH Europa T Houlihan ZZZZ Defford
G-CEIW Europa classic SCANLAN EGTU Dunkeswell
G-DDBD Europa XS Trigear Brian Davies EGTD Dunsfold
G-BXDY EUROPA WATTS LADDINGFORD
G-ODJG EUROPA TRI GEAR CHALLIS ZZZZ LADDINGFORD UK
G-JBSP Jabriru (or maybe Esqual) Clive James Ludham
G-IVER Europa XS Tri gear Ivor Phillips EGMD Lydd
G-RVNH RV9A Norman Haines ZZZZ Malmesbury
G-BXUM Europa Dave Bosomworth EGHP Popham
G-RVIO Vans RV10 Hopkinson EGBT Turweston
G-CHOX EUROPA XS TRI-GEAR GOFF MOORE & IAN SWANKIE EGLM WHITE WALTHAM
(I imported to FileMaker Pro the Excel file sent out by the Texel
organisers so I could play with it more easily.)
Any of those folk want to form a gaggle (I won't say formation!) for
part of the trip such as the channel crossing?
We are still thinking about exact route and timing and I guess are
open to suggestions. Timing - neither of us want to get up at an
unearthly hour so we won't be leaving Croft Farm very early, but we
want to arrive at Texel in time for dinner! Route - I think a shorter
sea crossing appeals more than the one via KONAN offered in the PLOG
from the organisers, then more or less follow the coast.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: texel fly-in |
My wife and I will also attend the fly-in at Texel, from friday to sunday.
Our Europa is currently at the paint shop, so we will arrive with a
Cessna 172 TDI with the call-sign PH-VZV.
We will bring photo's of course, and plenty of builder stories, and hope
to meet some of you fellow e-mail listers in person.
And last but not least, we're of course curious to your airplanes.
See you the coming weekend,
Ilona Kooistra & Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
Thanks, Dan.- your picture story was great.- Easy to follow and underst
and.- You had the same problem.- It great when you can get an answer in
less than a day.- I love this web site!
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
In my email last night, I forgot to mention to scuff sand the tang rebates before
floxing. I forgot to do that and there wasn't sufficient bonding, so guess
what, I get to do it all over again! If I had a nickle for everytime I've redone
something on this project, well I'd have a Lear by now!
This time, I'm going to do the flox and bid in one step, really no reason to do
them seperately.
Yes, this sight is invaluable, the assistance and expertise - hate to think of
building without it.
All the best.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
On most Europas I've seen, the end of the door tang is not parallel to
the edge of the depression in the fuselage mold, leaving a small wedge
of a depression beneath the curved plane of the top of the fuselage.
I've found that it is possible to eliminate that depression and
maintain a constant hairline-width (allowing, of course, for paint)
gap between the entire perimeter of the tang and the fuselage while
still maintaining full door operating range. In my case it was
possible to achieve this w/o altering the hinges or the portion of the
fuselage upon which they rest, although I did dremel out a portion of
the rebate intended to receive the end of the tang when the door is
fully opened, but that was easily re-glassed w/ bits of bid.
...just another one of those many sub-routines, but with a
particularly satisfying result...happy to post some pixs if anyone's
interested,
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
happy to post some pixs if anyone's interested,
Please do ...
Rick Stockton
le, List Admin.
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Rick,
These were taken (obviously) before final finishing, but show the
basics; rear tangs done similarly. After fitting the hinges as per the
manual and dremeling out the cavity inboard of where the hinges mount,
the trick was to trim the end of the tang at the same angle it has w/
the top of the fuselage that results when the door is raised fully as
shown in the 3rd photo. After determining the angle, I cut a scrap of
skin to fit the wedge, used some 5 minute epoxy, then buttered its
underside w/ flox. When door is closed, everything planes out very
nicely.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
Fred Klein wrote:
> Rick,
>
> These were taken (obviously) before final finishing, but show the
> basics; rear tangs done similarly. After fitting the hinges as per the
> manual and dremeling out the cavity inboard of where the hinges mount,
> the trick was to trim the end of the tang at the same angle it has w/
> the top of the fuselage that results when the door is raised fully as
> shown in the 3rd photo. After determining the angle, I cut a scrap of
> skin to fit the wedge, used some 5 minute epoxy, then buttered its
> underside w/ flox. When door is closed, everything planes out very nicely.
>
> Fred
That's the way I did it Fred, very satisfying when its finished. Make
sure you do something about the upoward flexing of the rear corner
caused by the tension in the door strut. Either do the factory mod or
better, Justin Kennedy's mod.
Graham
btw the factory are planning to revert to push rod rudder drive, they
already have my jig for the rudder socket fitting CS29b. So if you want
my rudder mod talk to the factory.
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| Subject: | Head Count for Rough River Fly in |
Hi All,
Could everyone who is intending to come to Rough River please reply to
this threaad. From memory I have the following.
Paul & Jenny McAllister
Bud Yearly
Bob Berube
Bob Borger
Jim & Heather Butcher
Jeff Roberts
Jeff & Mary Behrnes
John Lawton
Bud is looking for a place to bed down, our cabin is full, can any
offer a spot for him ?
Thanks and regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in |
Paul-
Add Jim and Lynne Puglise and Peter and Susan Jeffers (from the UK).=C2-
We are driving in Thursday night or Friday morning and leaving Sunday.=C2
- I think the same is true for Peter and Susan.
I talked to the Park about 2 weeks ago and they had 8 rooms left as of that
time.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 8:10:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Head Count for Rough River Fly in
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Hi All,
Could everyone who is intending to come to Rough River please reply to
this threaad. =C2-From memory I have the following.
Paul & Jenny McAllister
Bud Yearly
Bob Berube
Bob Borger
Jim & Heather Butcher
Jeff Roberts
Jeff & Mary Behrnes
John Lawton
Bud is looking for a place to bed down, our cabin is full, can any
offer a spot for him ?
Thanks and regards, =C2-Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in |
Paul,
My wife (Maureen) and I are booked in the lodge. No spare room as it
currently stands.
Bob Borger
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http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
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On Sep 7, 2009, at 19:10, Paul McAllister wrote:
> >
>
> Hi All,
>
> Could everyone who is intending to come to Rough River please reply to
> this threaad. From memory I have the following.
>
> Paul & Jenny McAllister
> Bud Yearly
> Bob Berube
> Bob Borger
> Jim & Heather Butcher
> Jeff Roberts
> Jeff & Mary Behrnes
> John Lawton
>
> Bud is looking for a place to bed down, our cabin is full, can any
> offer a spot for him ?
>
> Thanks and regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Head Count for Rough River Fly in |
Bud,
I have a room booked and my wife can't come so let me know if you want
the other bed. If you don't snore and you drink beer we should be good.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 195 Hours and cooling great!
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Paul McAllister wrote:
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Could everyone who is intending to come to Rough River please reply to
> this threaad. From memory I have the following.
>
> Paul & Jenny McAllister
> Bud Yearly
> Bob Berube
> Bob Borger
> Jim & Heather Butcher
> Jeff Roberts
> Jeff & Mary Behrnes
> John Lawton
>
> Bud is looking for a place to bed down, our cabin is full, can any
> offer a spot for him ?
>
> Thanks and regards, Paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting doors |
On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Graham Singleton wrote:
> That's the way I did it Fred, very satisfying when its finished.
Right on Graham...I'm not surprised that your keen eye prompted you
to go the extra mile.
> Make sure you do something about the upward flexing of the rear
> corner caused by the tension in the door strut.
Yes. Without purchasing the factory kit, I sawed off the lug,
repositioned it according to the geometry of the factory mod, and
reinforced the frame with 3 layers of bid extending 3" each side of
the ball, and lapping up the sides of the lug. What's been unexpected
is that with the compression strut installed, I'm finding when the
door is closed, it's necessary to pull the rear inwards to align the
rear shoot bolts...guess that's why I've read about guys installing
little handles and indicator lights.
> btw the factory are planning to revert to push rod rudder drive,
> they already have my jig for the rudder socket fitting CS29b. So if
> you want my rudder mod talk to the factory.
You may recall I've already purchased your tail wheel mod...works a
treat...even managed to get those pesky tension springs inside the
tailcone...thanks.
On another note, I'm fitting my homemade splash mold cover plates
over the cutouts for the latch mechanisms and see that the manual
calls for them to be Reduxed in place. Doing so prevents access to the
head of the AN3-12A bolt which secures the exterior door handle. Once
the cover is glued on, it would appear impossible to remove or
reinstall the handle, unless a hole (not called for in the manual)
large enough for a socket is cut in the cover. Although the manual
states that the purpose of the cover is to strengthen the door frame,
I'm tempted to secure the cover w/ a few small flathead bolts tapped
into the frame.
Comments anyone?
Fred
A194
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