---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/10/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:12 AM - Re: A/c radios () 2. 06:29 AM - Re: VAT status for European touring (Robert C Harrison) 3. 12:51 PM - Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) (Robert C Harrison) 4. 02:23 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) (rparigoris) 5. 03:40 PM - XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance (Troy Maynor) 6. 03:55 PM - Re: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance (Robert Borger) 7. 04:12 PM - Re: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance (craig bastin) 8. 06:17 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) (Rob Housman) 9. 07:11 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) (Paul McAllister) 10. 07:55 PM - Re: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:54 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: A/c radios Mike you could also use the garmin SL40, it doesnt have the NAV facility's but still have intercom and dual channel listening, Regards ivor ---- mike gamble wrote: > Thank you all for the advise re choice of radio. > I shall very shortly have to make the decision - made easier by your comments. > Mike ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:05 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: VAT status for European touring Hi! Glen In the absence of anyone more qualified giving you an answer I would advise :- some time ago ...like 7 or 8 years ago ...I recall that an oversized French Bureaucrat started to play Hitler on this issue. However I don't think anything came of it. I have flown to all places Europe over the interceding period and never been asked to provide any proof. If that does occur I will have a well prepared instruction to give such a person! I think the best approach is not to give the impression they are entitled to even ask because if you do it is tantamount to authorizing them. I haven't seen David's item but I'm guessing it emanates from our experiences on the Europa Club trip to the Ballerics when we were delayed wanting fuel over an issue since we couldn't provide a VAT number in particular in Jerez where a "thick gorilla type fuel operative" wanted a number to put into a "box" on his fuel issue papers. In future I will carry such a number! Fortunately we were all in a position to leave without any, making appropriate comments that they should put the fuel where the "sun don't shine!" Don't worry about it just go and when they nail a notice to your aircraft we will respond by invading them en mass! I had a ramp paper work audit done once ....I believe in Munster, we were returning from noise tests being done by MT Propellers and the bloody Gestapo had the audacity to tell me that the German documents I was carrying were worthless since they referred to a British registered aircraft! On contacting the CAA on my return THEY refused to convert the documents since they don't have a noise certificate form for Permit to Fly aircraft!!! "Enough said"! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Rainey Sent: 09 October 2009 18:06 Subject: Europa-List: VAT status for European touring Hi folks. My posting is triggered by the useful article from David Joyce in the 'Flyer' Sept 09 concerning ops in Europe - but I throw this open to others this side of The Pond - this concerns the smaller patch of water on our Eastern shores. One subject maybe overlooked (did I read David correctly?) is documentation needed for a Permit aircraft crossing the channel specifically to prove the VAT (purchase tax) status of an aircraft. I know the Yachties are already finding some enthusiastic customs checks in France and elsewhere and I have heard of 'ramp' checks for aircraft, with risks of being impounded if VAT cannot be proved paid. Any opinions? Do we need to have documents - Bill of original Sale - to prove VAT paid on a KIT aircraft, along with all the other stuff, Permit, Permissions, Insurance, Radio Licences, Gen Dec .... .... Glenn Rainey 912 Mono G-OJHL Co-Owner Cumbernauld Scotland ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:08 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) Hi! All Partly a call for "any ideas"? and partly a warning to all concerned. I have managed to very slightly damage the "thimble" filter at the inlet side of one of my pumps. That was a real bum thing to do but to heap further "coals of fire" on my head I find that they are not a spares listed part and no one not even Rotax or Peirburg the pump manufacturer will supply a replacement. It is therefore necessary to buy a new pump ! What a con. if I ever heard of one. So, wonderful Europa forum, has anyone any other ideas? For instance someone somewhere makes the damn things or does anyone have a back door combination to Pierburg ?! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) From: "rparigoris" Hi Bob ""any ideas"? and partly a warning to all concerned. I have managed to very slightly damage the "thimble" filter at the inlet side of one of my pumps." I don't know what your fuel system looks like, but will comment on "when" I too manage to damage one of my sock filters! Here is what my fuel systenm looks like: http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php Some ideas: *Call around to Rotax and Europa businesses and get hold of an old burned out pump and steal filter *Buy a new pump and put it in your plane, then install a factory filter very close coupled to intake of pump and use it as a transfer pump to fill your plane *For me, if the filter was just slightly damaged, I would put it in my P1 with good filter in P2. If sock were very damaged and beyond reasonable hold together function, I would just get rid of sock filter on my P1, but remember I have an Andair 375 gasculator very short coupled to P1 that has a much finer mesh filter than factory filter and would accept the small chance that debris may somehow get into intake of unfiltered P1 between Andair gasculator and intake of my P1. Different story on my P2 intake, much greater chance that debris could somehow come from outlet of P1, any one of the many fittings and hoses and connections, G2 or G2 one way that is upstream of intake of P2. If P1 quits, I should have a good to go P2 *If your system allows, just put another factory filter very close coupled to your P1 and put the good sock filter in P2 *Help another Rotax 914 owner clean their sock filter on one of their fuel pumps, and tell them it is a good thing they descided to check, because it happens to be damaged (>switch<)! Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:44 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance Hey All, I can't seem to locate an owners manual for the XS monowheel on the Europa Club or Factory Site. I have a classic monowheel, but with the extended baggage bay and the tailwheel move/mod. I am seeking this for the weight and balance pages in section 6. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks to all. Troy Maynor ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance From: Robert Borger Troy, http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/assistance/manuals.php Bottom of the page. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Oct 10, 2009, at 17:26, Troy Maynor wrote: > Hey All, > I can't seem to locate an owners manual for the XS monowheel on > the Europa Club or Factory Site. > I have a classic monowheel, but with the extended baggage bay and > the tailwheel move/mod. I am seeking this for the weight and balance > pages in section 6. > Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks to all. > Troy Maynor > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:33 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance I can scan and email the trike C of G calc pages if u like, you would need to alter the datum points for main wheel and tail wheel instead of nose gear / main gear. Other than that I believe the calculations and other bits should be the same, given the rest of the A/C is the same. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Troy Maynor Sent: Sunday, 11 October 2009 8:26 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: XS Monowheel Owners Manual/Weight and Balance Hey All, I can't seem to locate an owners manual for the XS monowheel on the Europa Club or Factory Site. I have a classic monowheel, but with the extended baggage bay and the tailwheel move/mod. I am seeking this for the weight and balance pages in section 6. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks to all. Troy Maynor ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:01 PM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) Ron, I very much like your implementation but I would add one improvement, that being quick disconnect fittings to permit removal of whatever filters are used without flooding the cabin with fuel when the filters need to be removed for cleaning or replacement. .and no, I have not neglected to use hose clamps - the above is a simplified image from a 3D CAD model of my fuel system, not a photo of the actual hardware. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) Hi Bob ""any ideas"? and partly a warning to all concerned. I have managed to very slightly damage the "thimble" filter at the inlet side of one of my pumps." I don't know what your fuel system looks like, but will comment on "when" I too manage to damage one of my sock filters! Here is what my fuel systenm looks like: http://contrails.free.fr/engine_914_fuel_syst_test_en.php Some ideas: *Call around to Rotax and Europa businesses and get hold of an old burned out pump and steal filter *Buy a new pump and put it in your plane, then install a factory filter very close coupled to intake of pump and use it as a transfer pump to fill your plane *For me, if the filter was just slightly damaged, I would put it in my P1 with good filter in P2. If sock were very damaged and beyond reasonable hold together function, I would just get rid of sock filter on my P1, but remember I have an Andair 375 gasculator very short coupled to P1 that has a much finer mesh filter than factory filter and would accept the small chance that debris may somehow get into intake of unfiltered P1 between Andair gasculator and intake of my P1. Different story on my P2 intake, much greater chance that debris could somehow come from outlet of P1, any one of the many fittings and hoses and connections, G2 or G2 one way that is upstream of intake of P2. If P1 quits, I should have a good to go P2 *If your system allows, just put another factory filter very close coupled to your P1 and put the good sock filter in P2 *Help another Rotax 914 owner clean their sock filter on one of their fuel pumps, and tell them it is a good thing they descided to check, because it happens to be damaged (>switch<)! Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) From: Paul McAllister Hi Bob, How much damage is there ? If its small then a spot of redux might fix the offending spot. Just a thought, Paul ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Pumps Rotax 914 System.(Pierburg ) From: "rparigoris" Hi Rob "Ron, I very much like your implementation but I would add one improvement, that being quick disconnect fittings to permit removal of whatever filters are used without flooding the cabin with fuel when the filters need to be removed for cleaning or replacement." I have two Andair 375 gasculators sealed in a box with access from outside the aeroplane (not under the wing either). Easy access, just unscrew bowl after you drain from quick drain and spin off filter/s. see: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album231&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php I looked at your two series fuel filters drawing. Are you planning on having two sets (of two parallel filters each)? If not and you only plan on 1 pair of parallel filters, once they clog, turning on pump #2 in either a series with bypass, or parallel fuel system will not be of much use. 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