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1. 12:11 AM - Re: panel electrics (JR Gowing)
2. 01:11 AM - Re: static and pitot wing connectors (craig bastin)
3. 03:39 AM - Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
4. 03:56 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (David Joyce)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Neil France)
6. 05:02 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Christoph Both)
7. 07:03 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (John and Amy Eckel)
8. 07:14 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Gary Leinberger)
9. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: static and pitot wing connectors (Jeff B)
10. 08:13 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (JEFF ROBERTS)
11. 08:43 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (david miller)
12. 09:02 AM - DOTH, southern style, anyone? (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
13. 09:42 AM - Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? (JEFF ROBERTS)
14. 10:15 AM - Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? (Steve Pitt)
15. 10:15 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
16. 10:56 AM - Europa Owners Server (Marty Mason)
17. 10:56 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
18. 11:11 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Garry)
19. 11:11 AM - Re: Europa Owners Server (Bill Henderson)
20. 11:18 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (JEFF ROBERTS)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Graham Singleton)
22. 11:47 AM - Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? (Jeff B)
23. 11:49 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Rowland Carson)
24. 11:49 AM - Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? (Jeff B)
25. 11:49 AM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Fred Klein)
26. 12:13 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
27. 01:51 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Rob Housman)
28. 02:11 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Neil France)
29. 03:42 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
30. 03:49 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Frans Veldman)
31. 04:54 PM - Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? (JEFF ROBERTS)
32. 05:20 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Graham Singleton)
33. 05:22 PM - Re: Flying and reading glasses? (Graham Singleton)
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| Subject: | Re: panel electrics |
Exhaustive book
but there is just too much of it!
Known exactly how you feel
JR Gowing
UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: panel electrics
>
> If there's anyone out there who has opted for using the EXP BUS II DC
> Load Center, has a copy of Bob Nuckoll's book, "The AeroElectric
> Connection", and has a fair understanding of the electric side of this
> adventure we're on, I'd be ever so appreciative if you could contact
> me off list so I could get some really basic questions answered...I
> feel like the village idiot. I'm finding Nuckoll's book informative,
> particularly because he has an overall schematic (Z-19) for a "Dual
> Battery, Single Alternator, Electronic Controlled Fuel Injected Engine".
>
> (I know, I know...a stock Rotax installation would be way easier for
> me.)
>
> Fred
> A194
> eatin' the elephant, one bite at a time...
>
>
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| Subject: | static and pitot wing connectors |
frans
Maybe you could use the syringe idea, with some fine cloth over the plunger end
to allow the system to "breath" over extended periods on the ground, or put
one of the air control valves used for fish tanks etc, in on a "T" piece, that
way
you can open it if desired, just dont forget to close it before flight
craig
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| Subject: | Flying and reading glasses? |
Hi Everyone,
So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
I'm already using reading glasses.
I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
"plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
vision without any corrections?
Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
together in one device.
I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Frans, You are certainly not the first to experience this problem! When
slightly older than you I invested in off the shelf sunglasses with +2
inserts at the bottom, which worked perfectly for map & instrument reading.
As time went on (ie the wrong side of 60), things got to the point where I
needed about +1 for distance vision, so now I have bifocal ordinary specs &
sun specs with prescription distance lens & extra +2 reading bits. The
reading bits are deliberately relatively low on the main lens & with a
horizontal upper margin, (as opposed to a curved upper margin which is more
common on bifocal specs). These work perfectly in the plane, giving all
outside vision unaffected by the reading bits, and panel vision OK on just
moving eyes rather than head. Best of luck, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
> However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
> troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
> I'm already using reading glasses.
> I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
> is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
> that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
> instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
> There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
> one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
> sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
> glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
> "plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
> the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
> eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
> measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
> instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
> aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
> near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
> focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
> between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
> I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
> people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
> vision without any corrections?
> Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
> not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
> together in one device.
> I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
>
> Frans
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Frans,
I have just gone down this same route, after struggling for the last two
years.
I have bought two pairs of varifocals, one clear, and one tinted for sunny
flying.
The bottom portion is equivalent to a very weak pair of reading glasses,
and the top is pretty much clear, there is a gradual change from one to the
other.
It was the best decision I have ever made, I wish I'd done it sooner, no
more struggling to read frequencies on the map, or the instrument panel,
but a quick glance up out of the window is still in perfect focus.
Neil France.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
> However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
> troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
> I'm already using reading glasses.
> I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
> is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
> that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
> instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
> There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
> one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
> sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
> glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
> "plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
> the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
> eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
> measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
> instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
> aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
> near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
> focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
> between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
> I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
> people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
> vision without any corrections?
> Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
> not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
> together in one device.
> I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
>
> Frans
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying and reading glasses? |
Get 3 stage progressive lenses - they really work, close reading the map, mid to
read the instrument panel and far to see everything outside, all in a consistent
sharp transition!
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville, Nova Scotia
Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:38 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
Hi Everyone,
So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
I'm already using reading glasses.
I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
"plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
vision without any corrections?
Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
together in one device.
I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
I also find the tri-focals work well. The bottom is for reading distance,
the middle is for arms length, about where
an instrument panel is and the top is distance. If you get sun glasses have
the tint progress from dark on top
to clear on the bottom, this way you can read your charts and see things
that are in a darker part of the cockpit.
John Eckel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christoph Both" <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
> <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>
> Get 3 stage progressive lenses - they really work, close reading the map,
> mid to read the instrument panel and far to see everything outside, all in
> a consistent sharp transition!
> Christoph Both
> #223
> Wolfville, Nova Scotia
> Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
>
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
> However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
> troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
> I'm already using reading glasses.
> I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
> is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
> that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
> instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
> There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
> one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
> sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
> glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
> "plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
> the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
> eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
> measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
> instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
> aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
> near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
> focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
> between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
> I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
> people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
> vision without any corrections?
> Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
> not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
> together in one device.
> I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
>
> Frans
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying and reading glasses? |
I use bi-focals with the reading part set to 30 inches - which is also great for
computers (I have a part of just reading glasses, set at 30 inches for work
on the computer - it says neck strain). I can easily read the 1 inch gauges on
the Mooney I fly now. In the Mooney I have a Garmin 530 so don't need to read
maps so often (I generally fly IFR). In my Europa I am planning on a Grand Rapids
HX which has a moving map. When I need to read a map, I can see it with
my bi=focal part except for very crowded parts of the map - then need to flip
my glasses up. Tri-focals seems a good idea but since I really don't need reading
glasses for up close (12 inches or so) I stick with bi-focals.
Gary Leinberger
A237
________________________________________
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Christoph Both [christoph.both@acadiau.ca]
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
Get 3 stage progressive lenses - they really work, close reading the map, mid to
read the instrument panel and far to see everything outside, all in a consistent
sharp transition!
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville, Nova Scotia
Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:38 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
Hi Everyone,
So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
I'm already using reading glasses.
I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
"plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
vision without any corrections?
Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
together in one device.
I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: static and pitot wing connectors |
IF one has installed opposite connectors to the tubes, just plug them
together. Serves the same purpose...
Jeff - Baby Blue
rampil wrote:
>
> The magnitude of usual weather changes will not harm your instruments.
> Bugs in the tubing would be far worse. You made the right choice.
> I near never disco the wings, so I use the Winter 5 hose connector
> which is not self-sealing.
>
> Ira
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269001#269001
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Frans,
I believe you are over complicating it. Not always do I want to wear
sunglasses so I wear my regular bifocals then I buy those ugly cover
the glasses sunglasses... Walmart. Just pop them on or off while
flying, depending on conditions needed. In your case you can buy those
over the counter half a lens reading glasses at strengths that are a
compromise for reading maps and bringing your panel into view. Then
cover them with the sunglasses that make you look like a florida
retiree. ;o)
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
> However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
> troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
> I'm already using reading glasses.
> I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the
> Europa
> is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
> that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
> instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
> There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
> one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
> sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
> glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
> "plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
> the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
> eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
> measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
> instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
> aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
> near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
> focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
> between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
> I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
> people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
> vision without any corrections?
> Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
> not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
> together in one device.
> I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
>
> Frans
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
I'll second this. It took me a while to get used to progressive
lenses, but now I'm not aware that I'm wearing them.
They are great for flying, driving, golfing or whatever.
Dave C-FBZI
On 23-Oct-09, at 8:02 AM, Christoph Both wrote:
> <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>
> Get 3 stage progressive lenses - they really work, close reading
> the map, mid to read the instrument panel and far to see everything
> outside, all in a consistent sharp transition!
> Christoph Both
> #223
> Wolfville, Nova Scotia
> Canada
>
>
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| Subject: | DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
Greetings all,
Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind, blue, high
pressure kind of a day. We were talking about going to the Runway Catfish House
over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia, GA, for lunch. (KAJR) They have
a decent Sunday buffet and some really good catfish. It's also close to
the mountains for leaf viewing.
Any of you southern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for arriving
at noon, local (eastern) time.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
John,
I'm looking into this as it sounds like what we need to do. I'll be in
touch soon.
Jeff B. You and the misses able to come out and play. Maybe their would
be a place in the middle from John, I & you.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:44 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
> cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind,
> blue,high pressure kind of aday.We were talking about going to the
> Runway Catfish House over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia,GA,
> for lunch.(KAJR) They have a decent Sunday buffet and some really
> good catfish. It's also close to the mountains for leaf viewing.
>
> Any of yousouthern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for
> arriving at noon, local (eastern) time.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
To John, Jeff and Jeff (not forgetting Mary B)
You're making me jealous - from the South of England (getting cold, getting
wet and dark) your DOTH sounds real good.
See you at Sun'nFun.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH, southern style, anyone?
>
> John,
> I'm looking into this as it sounds like what we need to do. I'll be in
> touch soon.
>
> Jeff B. You and the misses able to come out and play. Maybe their would be
> a place in the middle from John, I & you.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:44 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
>> cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind, blue, high
>> pressure kind of a day. We were talking about going to the Runway Catfish
>> House over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia, GA, for lunch. (KAJR)
>> They have a decent Sunday buffet and some really good catfish. It's also
>> close to the mountains for leaf viewing.
>>
>> Any of you southern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for arriving
>> at noon, local (eastern) time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Lawton
>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>> N245E - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Frans,
> I believe you are over complicating it.
Love to hear that, but I'm not sure if I understand fully what you mean.
> so I wear my regular bifocals then I buy those ugly cover the
Yes, but I don't have regular bifocals. My "distance" vision is OK.
> In your case you can buy those over the
> counter half a lens reading glasses at strengths that are a compromise
> for reading maps and bringing your panel into view. Then cover them with
> the sunglasses that make you look like a florida retiree. ;o)
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't need the sunglasses for the map
reading part, but for the distance viewing part, which isn't there if I
use over the counter half a lens reading glasses. Or do you mean that I
should glue the sun glas part on the upper edge of the reading glasses?
That could be a fragile construction but nevertheless work, but might
not be what you mean.
What I need is glasses with a neutral upper part (although it could be
nice if they would incorporate my -0.25 cylinder) and a +1 part for the
instrument panel, fully colored by itself or by a sun glas cover. The
upper part of the glasses are indeed just there for the sun glasses
part. For some reason, it seems to be difficult to get something like
that. They either try to sell me a $$$ varifocal thing, with a
transition I think I don't need at all (and even don't have any place
for: the visual distance between the ASI (+1) and the runway (neutral)
is very small, so should be the transition area) or they tell me that it
is not available for these small differences in strength.
Frans
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Has anyone else not been able to get in to the Europa Owners site? The last time
this happened Jos or Steve had to re-boot the server.
Marty
XS Mono Short Wing
Kit A291 10% and holding (dang it)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Neil France wrote:
>
> Frans,
>
> I have just gone down this same route, after struggling for the last two
> years.
> I have bought two pairs of varifocals, one clear, and one tinted for
> sunny flying.
> The bottom portion is equivalent to a very weak pair of reading
> glasses, and the top is pretty much clear, there is a gradual change
> from one to the other.
I was wondering about that: the distance in viewing angle between the
ASI and runway is very small, and I need +1 for reading the ASI, and
neutral for seeing the runway. There is hardly any room here for the
transition area... So, do you move your head when alternating between
the instruments or runway, or is the transition area indeed very small?
Frans
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I'm not so keen on progressive lenses. I had some made a few years back and
took them up for a flight. Not being very tall I have to stretch my neck to
see over the glare shield. Everything went fine until I got into the
landing flare. As the nose of the plane went up to flare, I had to tip my
head back to see straight ahead. In so doing I was now looking through the
bottom of the lenses.......the "reading/magnifying" portion, which caused
everything to look blurry and fuzzy on the runway. Needless to say my
landing was more of an arrival than a landing. Thankfully I didn't break
anything. I took the glasses and threw them in the trash can.
Garry Stout, N4220S
----- Original Message -----
From: "david miller" <loboloda@execulink.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
>
> I'll second this. It took me a while to get used to progressive lenses,
> but now I'm not aware that I'm wearing them.
> They are great for flying, driving, golfing or whatever.
>
> Dave C-FBZI
> On 23-Oct-09, at 8:02 AM, Christoph Both wrote:
>
>> <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>>
>> Get 3 stage progressive lenses - they really work, close reading the
>> map, mid to read the instrument panel and far to see everything outside,
>> all in a consistent sharp transition!
>> Christoph Both
>> #223
>> Wolfville, Nova Scotia
>> Canada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Owners Server |
Marty,
Had problems with it yesterday, but it's working OK right now.
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Mason
To: Europa List
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Owners Server
Has anyone else not been able to get in to the Europa Owners site? The
last time this happened Jos or Steve had to re-boot the server.
Marty
XS Mono Short Wing
Kit A291 10% and holding (dang it)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Frans Veldman wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. I don't need the sunglasses for the map
> reading part, but for the distance viewing part, which isn't there if I
> use over the counter half a lens reading glasses. Or do you mean that I
> should glue the sun glas part on the upper edge of the reading glasses?
> That could be a fragile construction but nevertheless work, but might
> not be what you mean.
>
>
What I meant was on some days I don't need sun glasses but I always
need my glasses with the bifocal in them. In your case your eyes are
fine but you need reading glasses. So get the thin bifocal glasses. You
know the kind that are like a half glass and you look out over them for
the far vision. Then buy the the sunglasses that fit over regular
glasses like I use. You can buy them with the lower portion clear. So
you look down and you see thru your reading glasses you look up and you
see thru the sunglasses only. My humor attempt was that all the older
retired people wear these. They're the big ugly sunglasses that fit
over regular glasses, but I figure who can see me at 10K feet?
Truthfully I wear mine while I drive as well. My wife hates them so she
reminds me that I'm turning into one of those retirees. ;o( Now if I
could just retire. :o)
Sorry for the hard to understand text.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Frans Veldman wrote:
> I was wondering about that: the distance in viewing angle between the
> ASI and runway is very small, and I need +1 for reading the ASI, and
> neutral for seeing the runway. There is hardly any room here for the
> transition area... So, do you move your head when alternating between
> the instruments or runway, or is the transition area indeed very small?
>
> Frans
>
Frans
I wouldn't think you need to look at the instruments during the landing
flare. Only thing that you need to see is the far end of the runway.
Airspeed should have been stabilized way back on the approach, so it
should not change until you start the flare, then its academic. You will
be feeling for the ground with the tail wheel at that point and
concentrating on keeping it straight after that. I find I don't have the
mental capacity to think of much else at this stage of the landing. Are
you tri gear? still to be certain the aft wheels touch first. Ground
effect will cause a trim change nose down.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
Geeze, guys! How about a little notice, next time... :)
Wish we could be there, but already got plans for tomorrow...
Jeff - Baby Blue
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> John,
> I'm looking into this as it sounds like what we need to do. I'll be in
> touch soon.
>
> Jeff B. You and the misses able to come out and play. Maybe their would
> be a place in the middle from John, I & you.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:44 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
>> cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind,
>> blue, high pressure kind of a day. We were talking about going to the
>> Runway Catfish House over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia, GA,
>> for lunch. (KAJR) They have a decent Sunday buffet and some really
>> good catfish. It's also close to the mountains for leaf viewing.
>>
>> Any of you southern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for
>> arriving at noon, local (eastern) time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Lawton
>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>> N245E - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
At 2009-10-23 14:11 -0400 Garry wrote:
>I'm not so keen on progressive lenses. I had some made a few years
>back and took them up for a flight. Not being very tall I have to
>stretch my neck to see over the glare shield. Everything went fine
>until I got into the landing flare. As the nose of the plane went
>up to flare, I had to tip my head back to see straight ahead. In so
>doing I was now looking through the bottom of the lenses.......the
>"reading/magnifying" portion, which caused everything to look blurry
>and fuzzy on the runway
Garry - I am not very tall and now wear bifocals, and I find the same
problem. I have learned to bring booster cushions when I hire an
aircraft, and even more so when I fly in someohe else's Europa.
Getting my head close up to the roof makes a BIG difference in what I
can usefully see.
<hobbyhorse>
I've never liked the idea of varifocals. I can't see how they can
make a continuous change of the spherical component down the lens
without introducing an unwanted cylindrical component.
</hobbyhorse>
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
Steve,
Weather will be good for a few weeks, at best, then wet and cold... ;)
Looking forward to SNF next year.
Jeff - Baby Blue
Steve Pitt wrote:
>
> To John, Jeff and Jeff (not forgetting Mary B)
> You're making me jealous - from the South of England (getting cold,
> getting wet and dark) your DOTH sounds real good.
> See you at Sun'nFun.
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH, southern style, anyone?
>
>
>>
>> John,
>> I'm looking into this as it sounds like what we need to do. I'll be in
>> touch soon.
>>
>> Jeff B. You and the misses able to come out and play. Maybe their
>> would be a place in the middle from John, I & you.
>>
>> Jeff R.
>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:44 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>>
>>> Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
>>> cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind, blue,
>>> high pressure kind of a day. We were talking about going to the
>>> Runway Catfish House over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia,
>>> GA, for lunch. (KAJR) They have a decent Sunday buffet and some
>>> really good catfish. It's also close to the mountains for leaf viewing.
>>>
>>> Any of you southern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for
>>> arriving at noon, local (eastern) time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> John Lawton
>>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>>> N245E - Flying
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
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On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:18 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> My wife hates them so she reminds me that I'm turning into one of
> those retirees. ;o(
Now now Jeff...you're gettin onto shaky ground...:-))
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Graham Singleton wrote:
> Frans Veldman wrote:
>> I was wondering about that: the distance in viewing angle between the
>> ASI and runway is very small, and I need +1 for reading the ASI, and
>> neutral for seeing the runway. There is hardly any room here for the
>> transition area... So, do you move your head when alternating between
>> the instruments or runway, or is the transition area indeed very small?
> I wouldn't think you need to look at the instruments during the landing
> flare.
I was not talking about the landing flare, but the approach. If you look
over the nose of the airplane, the viewing angle is not very different
to reading the ASI, which is normally in the top of the panel. So that's
why I wonder where the transition area of a varifocal should be. I agree
that in the flare portion of the landing the whole problem ceases to exist.
I'm not flying the Europa yet, but regulary fly in a Cessna which has
the instrument panel somewhat further away. The Europa is almost
finished, and sitting in the airplane and fiddling with some instruments
and imitating some portions of a flight (without making the sound ;-) )
I found out that changing focus between inside and outside is a bit slow
and uncomfortable. Never had any experience with glasses before, so
wondering what the best solution would be.
Frans
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| Subject: | Flying and reading glasses? |
OK folks, I've been reading all the replies in re: glasses for near and far vision
correction but no one has yet to mention the simplest and by far the cheapest
solution. Yup, that would be contact lenses. Not only do you get to have
normal peripheral vision which you don't have with glasses of any kind, and especially
with progressives, but you can get one eye corrected for near and one
eye corrected for distance (aka, mono-vision). For us older folks, that also
helps with a quick transition from far to near or vice versa since older eye
muscles take longer to accommodate the change. You also can choose from a wide
variety of sunglasses that are far cheaper than prescription sunglasses.
Now, the FAA will tell you that you can't fly with mono-vision (actually you can
and still be legal but only if your vision has been surgically corrected, but
not with contact lenses - go figure!) because the FAA apparently does not understand
that at any distance further than about arm's length, two eyes are not
needed for perfectly normal depth perception (ask your eye doc). I learned
to fly (before the FAA changed the rules) with mono-vision so I know it does not
affect depth perception as required for landing (or anything else). Of course
I need a spare lens for the "near" eye (which in my case is does not require
any correction for near vision) when I take my Class 3 Medical so I can pass
the "two eyes for distance and two eyes for near" vision test, albeit with a
pair of "readers" for near vision.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:38 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flying and reading glasses?
Hi Everyone,
So far I have had the luck that I never needed any eye correction.
However with an age of 45 I'm finding myself getting more and more
troubles to focus nearby, and for working on small parts (electronics)
I'm already using reading glasses.
I made the unfortunate discovery that the instrument panel of the Europa
is becoming quite close to the range where I can focus comfortably, and
that alternating frequently between looking outside and on the
instrument panel is no longer comfortable for my eyes. :-(
There must be more people on this forum with similar problems. How does
one solve this? What I was thinking about is special "flying
sun-glasses" with a sharp change-over exactly at the angle where the
glareshield is in my vision, with everything below that with some mild
"plus" correction. This way alternating between looking outside and on
the instrument should go with minimal changes in focal efforts for my
eyes. My optometrist is happy to construct special sun glasses if I
measure the exact angle where the division between outside and
instrument panel is, but is "my" solution workable in practice? I am
aware that there are glasses with a gradual change-over from far to
near, but in the Europa there is no gradual change over, it is either
focus on "infinity" or focus on "instrument panel" and nothing in
between (unless something disasterous is about to happen).
I guess I'm not the first one thinking about this problem. How do other
people solve this? Or am I just spoiled, being used sofar to superb
vision without any corrections?
Wearing "just" reading glasses for looking at instruments and maps does
not work as I like to wear sun glasses as well, so it should be all
together in one device.
I would love to hear other peoples solutions!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Frans, I don't seem to move my head at all, so, the transition area must be
quite small, it's hard to summarise really, what works for one may be
different for another I suppose. Sorry to be vague, but I was surprised how
easy it was to remedy my situation.
Neil.
> I was wondering about that: the distance in viewing angle between the
> ASI and runway is very small, and I need +1 for reading the ASI, and
> neutral for seeing the runway. There is hardly any room here for the
> transition area... So, do you move your head when alternating between
> the instruments or runway, or is the transition area indeed very small?
>
> Frans
>
>
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Neil France wrote:
> Frans, I don't seem to move my head at all, so, the transition area must
> be quite small, it's hard to summarise really, what works for one may be
> different for another I suppose. Sorry to be vague, but I was surprised
> how easy it was to remedy my situation.
Thanks! I have no experience whatsoever, so that's why I'm asking. The
transition area appears to be small indeed.
Opinions about the applicability of varifocal seem to differ a bit, as
usual of course!
I can probably hold off my decision for a while and take some time to
make up my mind.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Rob Housman wrote:
> because the FAA apparently does not understand that at any distance
> further than about arm's length, two eyes are not needed for
> perfectly normal depth perception (ask your eye doc).
I beg to differ. Have tried it a couple of times, driving a car with one
eye closed. It feels really unsafe, I will loose *all* depth perception.
Can't drive a car with that, let alone flying an airplane. Yet of course
there are plenty of people able to do it, but a key factor seems to be
whether they have grown up with mono-vision or not.
Apart from this, if this method works, it certainly has some good points
as you mention.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH, southern style, anyone? |
Jeff Roberts
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615-534-1082 Fax
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time."
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:44 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
> -
> -
> Greetings all,
> -
> Susan and I were just talking about going flying on Sunday for a leaf
> cruise/lunch. Looks like it's going to be a stable, no wind,
> blue,-high pressure kind of a-day.-We were talking about going
to the
> Runway Catfish House over at Habersham County airport in Cornelia,-GA,
> for lunch.-(KAJR) They have a decent Sunday buffet and some really
> good catfish. It's also close to the mountains for leaf viewing.
> -
> Any of you-southern Europaphiles interested? We're shooting for
> arriving at noon, local (eastern) time.
>
> Regards,
> -
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
I'm not flying the Europa yet, but regulary fly in a Cessna which has
> the instrument panel somewhat further away. The Europa is almost
> finished, and sitting in the airplane and fiddling with some instruments
> and imitating some portions of a flight (without making the sound ;-) )
> I found out that changing focus between inside and outside is a bit slow
> and uncomfortable. Never had any experience with glasses before, so
> wondering what the best solution would be.
>
> Frans
You will probably find that in strong light the aperture of your eyes
will close up and you almost won't need a lens to focus.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying and reading glasses? |
Rob Housman wrote:
> I learned to fly (before the FAA changed the rules) with mono-vision so I know
it does not affect depth perception as required for landing (or anything else).
Of course I need a spare lens for the "near" eye (which in my case is does
not require any correction for near vision) when I take my Class 3 Medical
so I can pass the "two eyes for distance and two eyes for near" vision test,
albeit with a pair of "readers" for near vision.
>
Rob
I have one eye almost useless, can't read with it. I find depthe
perception is a problem between 6" an 10 feet. Not necessary for flying
but usefull for taxi to judge wher the wing tips are.
Graham
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