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1. 08:55 AM - 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In (zwakie)
2. 09:50 AM - LAA Sywell rally 2010 (Rowland Carson)
3. 10:42 AM - europa fly-in popham 2010 (Rowland Carson)
4. 11:43 AM - Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigoris)
5. 11:53 AM - Anyone ever have door stuck closed because of ice? (rparigoris)
6. 11:55 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Bob Borger)
7. 12:59 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
8. 01:00 PM - Bronze tint windscreen and side windows (flyingphil2)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Robert C Harrison)
10. 01:18 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
11. 01:18 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Bob Borger)
12. 01:37 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Kingsley Hurst)
13. 02:42 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
14. 04:28 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Graham Singleton)
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| Subject: | 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In |
It's still a long way out, but very worthwhile to already put in your agenda:
2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In
September 17th-19th at Texel Airport (EHTX) in Holland
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| Subject: | LAA Sywell rally 2010 |
We hear that a "full" LAA Rally is planned for 3-4-5 Sep 2010.
Preliminary info on LAA website
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/
with more details to come later, but put it in your diary now.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | europa fly-in popham 2010 |
An international Europa fly-in is planned at Popham on 12+13 Jun 2010.
See the Popham website
http://www.popham-airfield.co.uk
and put it in your diary.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
If so has anyone used it? What were results?
Where can it be obtained from?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Anyone ever have door stuck closed because of ice? |
Curious, anyone ever have Europa door get stuck because of ice buildup in the fuse
rebate for door hinge tangs?
Was someone trapped inside? Or just couldn't get in? Any other details would be
appreciated.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Ron,
All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I believe.
Bob
On Wednesday, November 04, 2009, at 01:41PM, "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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>Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
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>If so has anyone used it? What were results?
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>Where can it be obtained from?
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>Thx.
>Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Hi Bob
"All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I
believe."
You may be right.
I was thinking along the lines
of what Europa calls BID where the weave isnot an even number of
under andover strands and it conforms to odd shapes very well. I
don't know what the precise description is but think peelply that conforms
better than what ACS sells would be desirable. If a color other than
white, even better.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Bronze tint windscreen and side windows |
Hi,
I currently have a brand new and unused bronze tint windscreen and port and stbd
side windows. They may be surplus to my requirements in which case is anyone
interested in them? Open to offers if you are - please PM me.
Phil
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| Subject: | Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Hi! Ron
What you are looking for is a fabric loosely weaved to allow it to flex like
bid glass fibre. IMHO this is impossible, you need to cut many small pieces
to fit round a curve. Loose weaved material would embed it's self into the
resin surface instead of lying on the top.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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Sent: 04 November 2009 19:42
Subject: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
If so has anyone used it? What were results?
Where can it be obtained from?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
This material exists as 'biaxial' (i.e. bias-cut) finishing tape for fabric
covered a/c, and is made of polyester/Ceconite/Stits/Polyfiber, much the
same as peel ply. Because it is bias cut is will go around compound curves.
The Polyfiber product may have been sized with silicone for the purpose of
weaving the basic fabric, so good luck with that!
Quite expensive though and I would imagine very difficult to remove; it
would pull apart into many short pieces. It would be easier to bais-cut
strips of peel ply from a sheet of polyester fabric.
Duncan McF.
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From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:41 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
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> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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> Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
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> If so has anyone used it? What were results?
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> Where can it be obtained from?
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> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
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> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Hi Ron,
OK, you want peel ply with better drape qualities as in the loose twill weave BID.
I agree that a peel ply with better drape might be a useful item. I don't
think it is available. At least I haven't been able to find peel ply in anything
but a tight satin weave with miserable drape character.
When I think about it, a loose weave peel ply with good drape qualities might be
difficult to remove once the epoxy has set. Part of the reason it peels off
so well is that it's stiff and strong.
Personally, I like the florescent green stuff. No doubt at all if it's there or
been removed.
Bob
On Wednesday, November 04, 2009, at 02:21PM, <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
> Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply?
Ron,
Others will correct me if I am wrong but I'm fairly sure BID (Bidirectional)
refers only to the strands within the cloth running at right angles to each
other. Therefore, peel ply would be bidirectional as pretty well all
clothing materials are to my knowledge.
If it is the type of weave you are referring to, then the BID cloth we use
has a twill weave which gives the appearance of having diagonal ribs and is
also what gives it the unique properties of being able to conform to almost
any shape.
As a point of interest, I cut my peel ply on the bias as I find this tends
to allow it to better fit shapes but not as good as the BID glass cloth of
course.
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
Hi Duncan
"This material exists as 'biaxial' (i.e.
bias-cut) finishing tape for fabric covered a/c, and is made of
polyester/Ceconite/Stits/Polyfiber, much the same as peel ply. Because it
is bias cut is will go around compound curves. The Polyfiber
product may have been sized with silicone for the purpose of weaving
the basic fabric, so good luck with that! "
I have a large
roll of brazier fabric, think it is polyester and if cut on bias follows
curves pretty well. I tried it as peel ply, seemed to work untilI
tried to do a subsequent layup. It was removable easy enough, harder than
stuff from ACS though.Must be coated with something, perhaps
silicone? Anyway if it wasn't coatedit would be OK. Just what is
available from ACSwith 1 over and 2 under weave I think would be
worth trying. Need to know that there is no coating though. Since strands
are small I don't think there would be a problem getting it off.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? |
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
> Hi Bob
>
> "All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I believe."
> You may be right.
> I was thinking along the lines of what Europa calls BID where the
> weave is not an even number of under and over strands and it conforms
> to odd shapes very well. I don't know what the precise description is
> but think peelply that conforms better than what ACS sells would be
> desirable. If a color other than white, even better.
> Thx.
Ron
the BID is 2 by 2 Twill, 2 over 2 under, satin is 3x1 or something like
that.
Graham
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