---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/04/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:55 AM - 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In (zwakie) 2. 09:50 AM - LAA Sywell rally 2010 (Rowland Carson) 3. 10:42 AM - europa fly-in popham 2010 (Rowland Carson) 4. 11:43 AM - Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigoris) 5. 11:53 AM - Anyone ever have door stuck closed because of ice? (rparigoris) 6. 11:55 AM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Bob Borger) 7. 12:59 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 8. 01:00 PM - Bronze tint windscreen and side windows (flyingphil2) 9. 01:00 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Robert C Harrison) 10. 01:18 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 11. 01:18 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Bob Borger) 12. 01:37 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Kingsley Hurst) 13. 02:42 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 14. 04:28 PM - Re: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In From: "zwakie" It's still a long way out, but very worthwhile to already put in your agenda: 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-In September 17th-19th at Texel Airport (EHTX) in Holland Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:20 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: LAA Sywell rally 2010 We hear that a "full" LAA Rally is planned for 3-4-5 Sep 2010. Preliminary info on LAA website http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/ with more details to come later, but put it in your diary now. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:43 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: europa fly-in popham 2010 An international Europa fly-in is planned at Popham on 12+13 Jun 2010. See the Popham website http://www.popham-airfield.co.uk and put it in your diary. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? From: "rparigoris" Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? If so has anyone used it? What were results? Where can it be obtained from? Thx. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone ever have door stuck closed because of ice? From: "rparigoris" Curious, anyone ever have Europa door get stuck because of ice buildup in the fuse rebate for door hinge tangs? Was someone trapped inside? Or just couldn't get in? Any other details would be appreciated. Thx. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:06 AM PST US From: Bob Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? Ron, All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I believe. Bob On Wednesday, November 04, 2009, at 01:41PM, "rparigoris" wrote: > >Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? > >If so has anyone used it? What were results? > >Where can it be obtained from? > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Bob "All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I believe." You may be right. I was thinking along the lines of what Europa calls BID where the weave isnot an even number of under andover strands and it conforms to odd shapes very well. I don't know what the precise description is but think peelply that conforms better than what ACS sells would be desirable. If a color other than white, even better. Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Bronze tint windscreen and side windows From: "flyingphil2" Hi, I currently have a brand new and unused bronze tint windscreen and port and stbd side windows. They may be surplus to my requirements in which case is anyone interested in them? Open to offers if you are - please PM me. Phil Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:31 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? Hi! Ron What you are looking for is a fabric loosely weaved to allow it to flex like bid glass fibre. IMHO this is impossible, you need to cut many small pieces to fit round a curve. Loose weaved material would embed it's self into the resin surface instead of lying on the top. Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: 04 November 2009 19:42 Subject: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? If so has anyone used it? What were results? Where can it be obtained from? Thx. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:12 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? This material exists as 'biaxial' (i.e. bias-cut) finishing tape for fabric covered a/c, and is made of polyester/Ceconite/Stits/Polyfiber, much the same as peel ply. Because it is bias cut is will go around compound curves. The Polyfiber product may have been sized with silicone for the purpose of weaving the basic fabric, so good luck with that! Quite expensive though and I would imagine very difficult to remove; it would pull apart into many short pieces. It would be easier to bais-cut strips of peel ply from a sheet of polyester fabric. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rparigoris" Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? > > > > Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? > > If so has anyone used it? What were results? > > Where can it be obtained from? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:54 PM PST US From: Bob Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? Hi Ron, OK, you want peel ply with better drape qualities as in the loose twill weave BID. I agree that a peel ply with better drape might be a useful item. I don't think it is available. At least I haven't been able to find peel ply in anything but a tight satin weave with miserable drape character. When I think about it, a loose weave peel ply with good drape qualities might be difficult to remove once the epoxy has set. Part of the reason it peels off so well is that it's stiff and strong. Personally, I like the florescent green stuff. No doubt at all if it's there or been removed. Bob On Wednesday, November 04, 2009, at 02:21PM, wrote: > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:51 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? > Curious, is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? Ron, Others will correct me if I am wrong but I'm fairly sure BID (Bidirectional) refers only to the strands within the cloth running at right angles to each other. Therefore, peel ply would be bidirectional as pretty well all clothing materials are to my knowledge. If it is the type of weave you are referring to, then the BID cloth we use has a twill weave which gives the appearance of having diagonal ribs and is also what gives it the unique properties of being able to conform to almost any shape. As a point of interest, I cut my peel ply on the bias as I find this tends to allow it to better fit shapes but not as good as the BID glass cloth of course. Cheers Kingsley ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Duncan "This material exists as 'biaxial' (i.e. bias-cut) finishing tape for fabric covered a/c, and is made of polyester/Ceconite/Stits/Polyfiber, much the same as peel ply. Because it is bias cut is will go around compound curves. The Polyfiber product may have been sized with silicone for the purpose of weaving the basic fabric, so good luck with that! " I have a large roll of brazier fabric, think it is polyester and if cut on bias follows curves pretty well. I tried it as peel ply, seemed to work untilI tried to do a subsequent layup. It was removable easy enough, harder than stuff from ACS though.Must be coated with something, perhaps silicone? Anyway if it wasn't coatedit would be OK. Just what is available from ACSwith 1 over and 2 under weave I think would be worth trying. Need to know that there is no coating though. Since strands are small I don't think there would be a problem getting it off. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:51 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is there such a thing as bidirectional peel ply? rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > Hi Bob > > "All peel ply is BID. Satin weave, I believe." > You may be right. > I was thinking along the lines of what Europa calls BID where the > weave is not an even number of under and over strands and it conforms > to odd shapes very well. I don't know what the precise description is > but think peelply that conforms better than what ACS sells would be > desirable. If a color other than white, even better. > Thx. Ron the BID is 2 by 2 Twill, 2 over 2 under, satin is 3x1 or something like that. 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