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0. 12:16 AM - Some Very Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:03 AM - Mode S transponders (David Corbett)
2. 02:33 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Frans Veldman)
3. 03:34 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Brian Davies)
4. 03:52 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Frans Veldman)
5. 04:24 AM - PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
6. 04:34 AM - does rotax need egt? (Remi Guerner)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Brian Davies)
8. 06:02 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Brian Davies)
9. 06:15 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Frans Veldman)
10. 06:16 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
11. 06:45 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Robert C Harrison)
12. 06:45 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Robert C Harrison)
13. 06:59 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Karl Heindl)
14. 08:04 AM - Re: PH-DIY (rampil)
15. 08:19 AM - Re: does rotax need egt? (rampil)
16. 09:48 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Graham Singleton)
17. 10:09 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Peter Zutrauen)
18. 10:25 AM - doctors and Europas fun (David Joyce)
19. 10:33 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
20. 10:46 AM - Re: PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
21. 12:32 PM - a very pretty bird (Fred Klein)
22. 04:59 PM - Re: PH-DIY (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Please could our friends in the Netherlands give us (in UK) an update as
to whether aircraft flying below 1200 ft under the Amsterdam TMA are
still being required to turn their Mode S transponders off whilst in the
relevant airspace? This request is on behalf of the UK General Aviation
Safety Council.
Many thanks,
David
G-BZAM
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| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
David Corbett wrote:
> Please could our friends in the Netherlands give us (in UK) an update as
> to whether aircraft flying below 1200 ft under the Amsterdam TMA are
> still being required to turn their Mode S transponders off whilst in the
> relevant airspace? This request is on behalf of the UK General Aviation
> Safety Council.
Yes, this is still the case. :-(
And yes, it is still mandatory for us to carry a mode-S transponder on
board. :-(
I have hold it off as long as possible, but I just bought an expensive
mode-S transponder which I have to turn off over half the country.
I also had to buy an expensive 406 MHz ELT (PLB is not allowed as an
alternative), mandatory if you want to cross the boarder, although the
countries around us don't require it. The ELT is only mandatory for the
split second we are actually crossing the boarder, we don't need it
before reaching the boarder, and not after we have passed it.
Why we need it is a mystery, in this heavily populated country it is
impossible to crash your airplane without numerous people noticing it
and complaining about the damage it caused on their property.
Oh wait, we also have a lot of water around us! Too bad then that we
have to install a fixed ELT, with a mandatory switch on the instrument
panel and associated wiring, making it impossible to remove the ELT in a
hurry, so to guarantee that it will sink together with the airplane and
beep its silly signals to the fishes rather than to the satellites.
Well, there is also a good side to this country: Today I received the
first bunch of official documents for my airplane, never having had an
inspector nor a certified mechanic even in the neighbourhood of my
airplane. :-)
Big grin day is getting close. :-)
Frans
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
I suspect we will disagree on this Frans, but I think having an inspector
look at my aircraft is a good thing, rather than an imposition. We are all
human and human beings are error prone. A second pair of eyes is a valuable
contribution to a safe first flight. Not too late to reconsider!
Regards
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 13 November 2009 10:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
--> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
David Corbett wrote:
> Please could our friends in the Netherlands give us (in UK) an update
> as to whether aircraft flying below 1200 ft under the Amsterdam TMA
> are still being required to turn their Mode S transponders off whilst
> in the relevant airspace? This request is on behalf of the UK General
> Aviation Safety Council.
Yes, this is still the case. :-(
And yes, it is still mandatory for us to carry a mode-S transponder on
board. :-( I have hold it off as long as possible, but I just bought an
expensive mode-S transponder which I have to turn off over half the country.
I also had to buy an expensive 406 MHz ELT (PLB is not allowed as an
alternative), mandatory if you want to cross the boarder, although the
countries around us don't require it. The ELT is only mandatory for the
split second we are actually crossing the boarder, we don't need it before
reaching the boarder, and not after we have passed it.
Why we need it is a mystery, in this heavily populated country it is
impossible to crash your airplane without numerous people noticing it and
complaining about the damage it caused on their property.
Oh wait, we also have a lot of water around us! Too bad then that we have to
install a fixed ELT, with a mandatory switch on the instrument panel and
associated wiring, making it impossible to remove the ELT in a hurry, so to
guarantee that it will sink together with the airplane and beep its silly
signals to the fishes rather than to the satellites.
Well, there is also a good side to this country: Today I received the first
bunch of official documents for my airplane, never having had an inspector
nor a certified mechanic even in the neighbourhood of my airplane. :-)
Big grin day is getting close. :-)
Frans
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
14:33:00
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| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
Brian Davies wrote:
> I suspect we will disagree on this Frans, but I think having an inspector
> look at my aircraft is a good thing, rather than an imposition. We are all
> human and human beings are error prone. A second pair of eyes is a valuable
> contribution to a safe first flight. Not too late to reconsider!
I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have already someone
invited to take a close look at the airplane, and I'm sure the test
pilot is going to do the same.
But if I read that in the UK you need to apply for a mod if you want to
make a small door on the empty space below your thighs, well, I'm very
glad that we don't have such interference here in the Netherlands. After
all, it is an experimental airplane, there should be some room for
builder modifications, especially if these modifications are unlikely to
affect any flight characteristics.
So, that is what I wanted to say, I'm glad that we Dutchies have some
freedom here for improvements on the airplane.
Frans
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Hi fellow builders,
After numerous inquiries for pictures of our almost finished bird, I
decided to send them via the list. (The gallery didn't work).
Pictures are preliminary, as we are sure to produce better ones when we
finally get some sunshine again.
Apart from that it is "just another Europa", there are a few things
worth noticing on this airplane:
- It is a "stealth" high top. It has nor the aquarium style front
window, nor the blown up upper cowling (not intended to insult anyone
with a different taste of course!). This is "halfway between mod 64A and
mod 64B".
- We did some rigorous things with the cooling duct. We used the
standard radiators, but with a diffuser and expansion area, and a
movable cowl flap. On the pictures the cowl flap is closed.
- On the nose of the cowling there are two naca ducts with a shroud
exactly aimed at the cylinders, to get a stream of air from top of the
engine downwards, instead of a stream of air from the front to
downwards. The front inlets are intended to be used by landing lights,
but we will leave them open until we have done some tests in flight.
- The nose wheel shaft is extended by 1 inch to allow more prop clearance.
- Note the wing fairings, they are designed by Fred Klein, and enhance
the look of the airplane and most likely improve the air stream.
- The high top mod allows for a larger instrument panel. We decided to
abandon the standard instrument module completely and built our own. It
is in fact hardly larger than the standard Europa module, but because it
doesn't feature all these space wasting edges and curves, there is much
more panel space available.
- We have harnesses that are fixed to a (reinforced!) area on the upper
fuselage. This will eliminate the risk of spinal compression.
On one picture: the proud builders together with their airplane.
Although I'm the one communicating via this list, I should point out
that I actually built the airplane together with my wife. She has a PPL
to, and knows as much about airplanes as I do. As you can expect, we
were always reviewing each others building work, to insure the best
quality of work.
If the gallery works again, we will upload some pictures of the build
process.
Oh, and we are aware of the acronym DIY in English speaking countries.
We deliberately selected this registration! ;-)
The airplane has a Rotax 914 intercooler with a Woodcomp SR3000W/2 prop.
Weight is still unknown but it is for sure not going to win the light
weight contest. ;-)
Frans
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| Subject: | does rotax need egt? |
Raimo,
This is an old story. You can read the article I wrote on this subject
in the June 2005 issue of EF.
To make it short: I found the 914 to be very far from satisfying my own
standards of reliability and safety for an aircraft engine. I have 430
hours now on the 912S and this replacement is the best decision I have
made since I own this aircraft.
Remi
<<<<<just curious: why did you replace the engine (914T) and went to
912S ?>>>>
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Yes, the mods approval system in the UK is far from satisfactory. I
understand there is/was a proposal to create an experimental category in the
UK but I suspect this has been overtaken by EASA deliberations. Watch out!
EASA may get to the Dutch in time!
Regards
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 13 November 2009 11:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
--> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Brian Davies wrote:
> I suspect we will disagree on this Frans, but I think having an
> inspector look at my aircraft is a good thing, rather than an
> imposition. We are all human and human beings are error prone. A
> second pair of eyes is a valuable contribution to a safe first flight.
Not too late to reconsider!
I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have already someone invited
to take a close look at the airplane, and I'm sure the test pilot is going
to do the same.
But if I read that in the UK you need to apply for a mod if you want to make
a small door on the empty space below your thighs, well, I'm very glad that
we don't have such interference here in the Netherlands. After all, it is an
experimental airplane, there should be some room for builder modifications,
especially if these modifications are unlikely to affect any flight
characteristics.
So, that is what I wanted to say, I'm glad that we Dutchies have some
freedom here for improvements on the airplane.
Frans
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
14:33:00
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Looks great Frans! How about an article for the Europa Flyer once it has
flown?
Brian
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 13 November 2009 12:22
Subject: Europa-List: PH-DIY
Hi fellow builders,
After numerous inquiries for pictures of our almost finished bird, I decided
to send them via the list. (The gallery didn't work).
Pictures are preliminary, as we are sure to produce better ones when we
finally get some sunshine again.
Apart from that it is "just another Europa", there are a few things worth
noticing on this airplane:
- It is a "stealth" high top. It has nor the aquarium style front window,
nor the blown up upper cowling (not intended to insult anyone with a
different taste of course!). This is "halfway between mod 64A and mod 64B".
- We did some rigorous things with the cooling duct. We used the standard
radiators, but with a diffuser and expansion area, and a movable cowl flap.
On the pictures the cowl flap is closed.
- On the nose of the cowling there are two naca ducts with a shroud exactly
aimed at the cylinders, to get a stream of air from top of the engine
downwards, instead of a stream of air from the front to downwards. The
front inlets are intended to be used by landing lights, but we will leave
them open until we have done some tests in flight.
- The nose wheel shaft is extended by 1 inch to allow more prop clearance.
- Note the wing fairings, they are designed by Fred Klein, and enhance the
look of the airplane and most likely improve the air stream.
- The high top mod allows for a larger instrument panel. We decided to
abandon the standard instrument module completely and built our own. It is
in fact hardly larger than the standard Europa module, but because it
doesn't feature all these space wasting edges and curves, there is much more
panel space available.
- We have harnesses that are fixed to a (reinforced!) area on the upper
fuselage. This will eliminate the risk of spinal compression.
On one picture: the proud builders together with their airplane.
Although I'm the one communicating via this list, I should point out that I
actually built the airplane together with my wife. She has a PPL to, and
knows as much about airplanes as I do. As you can expect, we were always
reviewing each others building work, to insure the best quality of work.
If the gallery works again, we will upload some pictures of the build
process.
Oh, and we are aware of the acronym DIY in English speaking countries.
We deliberately selected this registration! ;-)
The airplane has a Rotax 914 intercooler with a Woodcomp SR3000W/2 prop.
Weight is still unknown but it is for sure not going to win the light weight
contest. ;-)
Frans
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
14:33:00
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| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
Brian Davies wrote:
> Yes, the mods approval system in the UK is far from satisfactory. I
> understand there is/was a proposal to create an experimental category in the
> UK but I suspect this has been overtaken by EASA deliberations. Watch out!
> EASA may get to the Dutch in time!
I'm sure it will. That's one of the reasons I was a bit in a hurry to
get the airplane finished. ;-) They used EASA to force us to invest in
mode-S transponders which we are not allowed to use, and useless ELT's.
I'm sure that in the near future homebuilding will be restricted to
whatever limitations EASA will come up with. I'm trusting however that
once an airplane is registered that they are not just taking that away
again. And even that of course is not for sure.
Frans
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Brian Davies wrote:
>
> Looks great Frans! How about an article for the Europa Flyer once it has
I'm sure we will let you all know when it has flown. If you think
anything we have to say is worth for an article, let us know.
Frans
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Hi! Frans.
Thanks for the pictures. Looks good to me ....and Ilona the wife! But of
course we met at Texel recently ?
Regards
Bob Harrison.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 13 November 2009 12:22
Subject: Europa-List: PH-DIY
Hi fellow builders,
After numerous inquiries for pictures of our almost finished bird, I
decided to send them via the list. (The gallery didn't work).
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Hi! Frans.
I understand both systems and also resent bureaucrats interfering but in
this case safety is paramount. It would be fine for the flight
characteristics to be unchanged .....BUT if the structural strength is
compromised the ultimate characteristic is seriously likely to downwards!
For instance the thigh areas , seat backs, tunnel, and bulkheads round the
fuel tank are in the most highly stressed areas. In consequence any holes
cover doors must convey adequate stresses from the rest of the plane.
If William Mills were here (Bless him) he would countenance that without
doubt by saying there are inspectors and inspectors ! Obviously if you are
an engineer and have conducted adequate calculations to assure your test
pilot then just fine.
Regards
Bob Harrison.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 13 November 2009 11:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Brian Davies wrote:
> I suspect we will disagree on this Frans, but I think having an inspector
> look at my aircraft is a good thing, rather than an imposition. We are
all
> human and human beings are error prone. A second pair of eyes is a
valuable
> contribution to a safe first flight. Not too late to reconsider!
I do not disagree with you at all. In fact, I have already someone
invited to take a close look at the airplane, and I'm sure the test
pilot is going to do the same.
But if I read that in the UK you need to apply for a mod if you want to
make a small door on the empty space below your thighs, well, I'm very
glad that we don't have such interference here in the Netherlands. After
all, it is an experimental airplane, there should be some room for
builder modifications, especially if these modifications are unlikely to
affect any flight characteristics.
So, that is what I wanted to say, I'm glad that we Dutchies have some
freedom here for improvements on the airplane.
Frans
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Frans=2C
A very professional and innovative (and fast) build indeed.
I notice that there does not seem to be a guard over the interior door hand
le. It is worthwhile having. One or two early Europas lost a door.
Cheers=2C Karl
> Date: Fri=2C 13 Nov 2009 15:16:37 +0100
> From: frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: PH-DIY
>
l>
>
> Brian Davies wrote:
>
> >
> > Looks great Frans! How about an article for the Europa Flyer once it ha
s
>
> I'm sure we will let you all know when it has flown. If you think
> anything we have to say is worth for an article=2C let us know.
>
> Frans
>
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Hi Frans,
Lovely bird(s)!
May they fly well together!
Congratulations,
Ira
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272702#272702
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| Subject: | Re: does rotax need egt? |
Hi All,
I have all four cylinders monitored for the past five years and
have finally found a good use for them!
Based on data from several long cross country trips, I have decided to
add a mixture control!
Take a peak ( sic!) at the table I enclose. If you have different data,
please let me know
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272704#272704
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotax_efficiency_125.pdf
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Frans
Looks gorgeous, especially the wing roots. Worth a few knots probably
Graham
Frans Veldman wrote:
> Hi fellow builders,
>
> After numerous inquiries for pictures of our almost finished bird, I
> decided to send them via the list. (The gallery didn't work).
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Great looking bird Frans!
In addition to what others have already mentioned, I'll offer my
appreciation of your very nice job on your shoulder-width mod. I see you
modified the doors to meet the new seal profile properly. I'd be interested
in any info on the door frame mod and it's impact (if any) on the shoot-bolt
mechaism.
Cheers & thx for posting the pics!
Pete
A239
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Frans Veldman <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>wrote:
> Hi fellow builders,
>
> After numerous inquiries for pictures of our almost finished bird, I
> decided to send them via the list. (The gallery didn't work).
>
> Pictures are preliminary, as we are sure to produce better ones when we
> finally get some sunshine again.
>
> Apart from that it is "just another Europa", there are a few things
> worth noticing on this airplane:
> - It is a "stealth" high top. It has nor the aquarium style front
> window, nor the blown up upper cowling (not intended to insult anyone
> with a different taste of course!). This is "halfway between mod 64A and
> mod 64B".
> - We did some rigorous things with the cooling duct. We used the
> standard radiators, but with a diffuser and expansion area, and a
> movable cowl flap. On the pictures the cowl flap is closed.
> - On the nose of the cowling there are two naca ducts with a shroud
> exactly aimed at the cylinders, to get a stream of air from top of the
> engine downwards, instead of a stream of air from the front to
> downwards. The front inlets are intended to be used by landing lights,
> but we will leave them open until we have done some tests in flight.
> - The nose wheel shaft is extended by 1 inch to allow more prop clearance.
> - Note the wing fairings, they are designed by Fred Klein, and enhance
> the look of the airplane and most likely improve the air stream.
> - The high top mod allows for a larger instrument panel. We decided to
> abandon the standard instrument module completely and built our own. It
> is in fact hardly larger than the standard Europa module, but because it
> doesn't feature all these space wasting edges and curves, there is much
> more panel space available.
> - We have harnesses that are fixed to a (reinforced!) area on the upper
> fuselage. This will eliminate the risk of spinal compression.
>
> On one picture: the proud builders together with their airplane.
> Although I'm the one communicating via this list, I should point out
> that I actually built the airplane together with my wife. She has a PPL
> to, and knows as much about airplanes as I do. As you can expect, we
> were always reviewing each others building work, to insure the best
> quality of work.
> If the gallery works again, we will upload some pictures of the build
> process.
>
> Oh, and we are aware of the acronym DIY in English speaking countries.
> We deliberately selected this registration! ;-)
>
> The airplane has a Rotax 914 intercooler with a Woodcomp SR3000W/2 prop.
> Weight is still unknown but it is for sure not going to win the light
> weight contest. ;-)
>
> Frans
>
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| Subject: | doctors and Europas fun |
A "Europa" owner was removing a cylinder-head from the motor of his much
loved machine with a good friend of his (John, a cardiologist) watching over
(usual cup of tea in hand being helpful etc). 'Hey John, want to take a look
at this?'
John, walks over. The guy straightens up, wipes his hands on a rag and asks,
'So John, look at this engine. I open its heart, take the valves out, repair
any damage, and then put them back in, and when I finish, it works just like
new.
So how come I do this for free in a cold and damp garage, and you get
100,000, when you and I are doing basically the same work?'
John paused, smiled and leaned over, then said..............Try doing it
with the engine running.
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Peter Zutrauen wrote:
> Great looking bird Frans!
>
> In addition to what others have already mentioned, I'll offer my
> appreciation of your very nice job on your shoulder-width mod.
Well, eh, to be honest, I got these doors and fuselage as is. I believe
it became "standard" some time ago, most likely before my kit was
produced. ;-)
Frans
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Hi everyone,
We just put some pictures of the build on our website, to give you an
impression on how much fun we had.
See:
www.privatepilots.nl/europa/building.htm
Frans
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| Subject: | a very pretty bird |
Frans...just a quick note...
Hearty congratulations on your completion...very nice indeed...you and
your partner can break out the champaign if you haven't already done
so...you can always do it again after the first flight!
Your job on the fairings looks superb, and they do make a small
contribution to the overall good looks and excellence, if I do say so
myself. According to flight tests performed by Jeff Behrnes in his
912S trigear, you should see about a 10% improvement in L/D over that
achieved w/ the stock trigear.
I salute you,
Fred
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Very well done Frans. If mine ever looks as nice, I will be more than
happy.
Hope all goes well with your test flying as I'm sure it will indeed.
Cheers from Oz
Kingsley
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