---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/17/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 PM - a list with safety improvements (Raimo Toivio) 2. 12:58 PM - Re: a list with safety improvements (Frans Veldman) 3. 02:19 PM - Re: a list with safety improvements (Karl Heindl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:34 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: a list with safety improvements Frans and all, that was a very good idea! A total life saver! Maybe we can assemble a list with safety improvements so everyone can > benefit from it. There are probably some things I have overlooked as > well. I must assume there are more people on this list who are concerned > about safety. I start and list some improvements so far - Frans please continue it - and all of you! 1) Safety belts - do not use types which formulate loops (weight penalty none) - make modified upper fixing points (weight penalty around 200 grams I assume, that could be also a mod "lenghtened and foldable headrest", which I will incorporate) 2) Fuel systems - routing outside the cabin (weight penalty none or some) - return line with one-way-valve or emergency off-selector (weight penalty few hundred grams) - do not use original glass fuel filters (weight penalty none or even less) - consider the safety of sight gauge and its location (weight penalty none) ( I have it but between the seats and it is calibrated only to use when on the ground and taxi-position) - have a fuel warning /gauge/pressure gauge /computer (weight penalty 100grams to 1 kg) 3) Doors - use unintentioned opening guards and secure them with pip-pins to levers (weight penalty 100 grams) - instal serial connected micro switches w warning lights behind shoot bolts (weight penalty 200 grams) 4) Cowlings - do not make those little oil/water check doors - so you have to take whole upper cowling away and see and check same time much much more (weight penalty none, use cam locks or equal - so it is pleasure to open so often you like - I do it every 5 flight hrs) > I'm also sceptical about the recommendation to connect the trim directly > to the battery instead of after the master switch. Oh yeah, go ahead and > also connect the stall warner before the master switch, as the manual > suggests. There are probably some more things worth keeping when the > master switch is off. And then, when you need to make an emergency crash > landing, you are sitting in an airplane with fuel behind your back, and > a lot of live wires running over the entire length of the aircraft which > you can't switch off... 5) Electrics - use two serial connected master switches; so called panel mstr leaves juice for trim, stall warner, charging for emergency batteries, clocks, burglar alarms, horns, convenience lights AND an engine starter - total master cuts everything (weight penalty none, normally my total master is always on, I close it only during longs stays over two weeks or just before possible crash I wish, panel mstr switch uses light weight 40A relay which uses only few milliamperes, total mstr switch is mechanical with "a key" and uses 0 amperes) 6) Cockpit equipments - have a carbon monoxide detector (weight penalty 20 grams) - have a Halon fire extinguisher (weight penalty 1 kg, must be Halon only) - have a personal locater beacon with gps (weight penalty 200 grams) - have a stall warner or AoA indicator (weight penalty 200 grams or more 7) Outside equipments - have at least strobes (weight penalty around 500 grams) I am sure this list could be endless. I wrote this in few minutes. It is interesting - many improvements weight penalty is nothing or only few grams. Lets keep it only in the class "a life saver list" - not a toy list. I remember they say in the Manual "flying itself is safe but it is unforgiving for mistakes". Lets give for us some more chances. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: PH-DIY > > Raimo Toivio wrote: > > "We tested the original harness, but we found that if we would > > ever end up inverted, or would have to ditch, it would be possible to get > > entangled in it. The new harness has no loops or anything > > that can trap you when you are in a disoriented situation and are in a > > hurry to get out." > > > > You are only one (w me) I know who has reacted because of this potential risk. > > There are more potential risks that could easily be avoided. > > What about routing fuel lines through the cabin, so that if there is a > leak the foot bath in front of the seat fills with fuel. Or using a fuel > return line without a one-way valve, so when the line breaks all the > fuel will drain into the fuselage, regardless of the setting of the fuel > selector. > > I'm also sceptical about the recommendation to connect the trim directly > to the battery instead of after the master switch. Oh yeah, go ahead and > also connect the stall warner before the master switch, as the manual > suggests. There are probably some more things worth keeping when the > master switch is off. And then, when you need to make an emergency crash > landing, you are sitting in an airplane with fuel behind your back, and > a lot of live wires running over the entire length of the aircraft which > you can't switch off... > > Maybe we can assemble a list with safety improvements so everyone can > benefit from it. There are probably some things I have overlooked as > well. I must assume there are more people on this list who are concerned > about safety. > > Frans > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:34 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: a list with safety improvements Raimo Toivio wrote: > 2) Fuel systems > - routing outside the cabin (weight penalty none or some) > - return line with one-way-valve or emergency off-selector (weight penalty few hundred grams) > - do not use original glass fuel filters (weight penalty none or even less) > - consider the safety of sight gauge and its location (weight penalty none) > ( I have it but between the seats and it is calibrated only to use when on the ground and taxi-position) > - have a fuel warning /gauge/pressure gauge /computer (weight penalty 100grams to 1 kg) I have the whole fuel system in a separate sealed box, with lexan top that can be opened. The two fuel pumps, the two fuel filters, the two one way valves, and the fuel flow sensor. Lots of connections, and lots of opportunity to leak. There is one hose in, and one hose out, and almost all potential leak sources are inside. There is more to it: there is also a small access door on the underside of the fuselage, allowing easy access to the master Andair fuel filter. Now, if there is a leak, it will drain through this access door, which is intentionally not sealed. The whole point is that if there is a fuel leak, I don't want to have the fuel in the "foot bath" in front of my seat, especially not when I'm about to make an emergency landing because of the fuel leak! A side benefit is that the fuel vapors also choose the easy way out, that is, to the outside of the airplane. I have not the fuel smell inside the airplane so many people complain about. If I mess with the filters and spill some fuel, it will just fall out of the airplane, and never make it into the fuselage. Weight penalty? Depends on the construction, shouldn't be more than 500 gram. > 3) Doors > - use unintentioned opening guards and secure them with pip-pins to levers (weight penalty 100 grams) I have to work on this. > 4) Cowlings > - do not make those little oil/water check doors - so you have to take whole upper cowling away and see and check same time much much more (weight penalty none, use cam locks or equal - so it is pleasure to open so often you like - I do it every 5 flight hrs) This is radical, but a good point actually. Although it may invite you to not bother with checking the water and oil if you are in a hurry to go home. I know, you should never fall into this trap, but we are all human and it is temptive to skip checks that take too long if bad weather is approaching and you need to leave the airport. > 5) Electrics > - use two serial connected master switches; so called panel mstr leaves juice for trim, stall warner, charging for emergency batteries, clocks, burglar alarms, horns, convenience lights AND an engine starter - total master cuts everything (weight penalty none, normally my total master is always on, I close it only during longs stays over two weeks or just before possible crash I wish, panel mstr switch uses light weight 40A relay which uses only few milliamperes, total mstr switch is mechanical with "a key" and uses 0 amperes) Good alternative. Although a second master switch increases the amount of failure points. I have one master switch (well, two actually, but I have two separate electrical systems), and once that is off, the whole plane is without power. I have further a multi pole plug on the fuselage for "ground power", and this feeds a relay that energizes the connection to the outside world. This way I can charge batteries, power burglar alarms, etc. Once this plug is off, the relay falls off and it can not be powered during flight at all. Frans ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:22 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: a list with safety improvements Raimo wrote: > > 3) Doors > - use unintentioned opening guards and secure them with pip-pins to lever s (weight penalty 100 grams) > - instal serial connected micro switches w warning lights behind shoot bo lts (weight penalty 200 grams) Are you serious ? In an accident=2C how would a potential rescuer get the d oors open ? microswitches are a nice gimmick=2C bu they can lead to a false sense of se curity. Th easiest and safest way to check that doors are locked is to push against them front and rear. Cheers=2C Karl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.