---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/19/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Door locked inflight by pip-pins. (rampil) 2. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Door locked inflight by pip-pins. (Robert C Harrison) 3. 10:21 AM - Re: Safety improvement list (Raimo Toivio) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: Cowling with no access doors (Raimo Toivio) 5. 11:57 AM - Re: Safety improvement list (Raimo Toivio) 6. 04:30 PM - How can one now view pictures on matronics list? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 7. 05:03 PM - Re: How can one now view pictures on matronics list? (Matt Dralle) 8. 08:19 PM - EFIS inquiry re Stratomaster (JR Gowing) 9. 08:53 PM - EFIS Instruments from "Light Flying" in Australia (JR Gowing) 10. 08:53 PM - Stratomaster EFIS - Voyager (JR Gowing) 11. 09:19 PM - Re: EFIS Instruments from "Light Flying" in Australia (JR Gowing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Door locked inflight by pip-pins. From: "rampil" Hi Franz, Yes, I know the hinges are weak from the personal experience of having my open port door blow off the aircraft in a gust of wind over 40 kts while on the ground, refueling at Norfolk (after business hours of course) returning home from Sun n Fun 2006. That is weakness in the open/close axis of the hinge, the structure relies on the fore/aft axis to add parallel stiffening and tension path to the roof. Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273716#273716 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:38 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Door locked inflight by pip-pins. Hi! I was to understand when Europa took some aerial photos of G-PTAG over Stauning I had to fly no more than 110kts since they had their door off. At least the passenger side did! The only "convertible" that I knew off was the fact that G-PTAG was built to be easily converted to a monowheel should I ever decide. I actually have photos of three MAIN WHEELS fitted simultaneously! Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 18 November 2009 22:28 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Door locked inflight by pip-pins. rampil wrote: > Are you accounting for the compression/tension of the upper door as an > important structural member of the fuselage. It is my recollection that > the upper hinges and door frame are structural, not ornamental. I think I have read somewhere that the Europa was intended to be "convertible", i.e. that it should be possible to fly it without doors. Ok, nobody seems to like it, but the design is there. Apart from that, I highy doubt that the door could serve as a structural member given the fact that the hinges are very weak. Frans ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:18 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Safety improvement list Weldone Fred, you culprit! As I wrote earlier - this is a solution I like! And it really is madeable to the completed plane without too much pain to spoil everything. If I asked "would you Fred make an another set of those headrest expanders for me" would you? If so, I am your customer and #1 in this queue, please. With that money you can buy real safe safety belts...throw those Europa loop belts to the bin. Spinal in one piece undoubtedly but still as a looped prisoner ;) Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Safety improvement list On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:45 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: G-IANI To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Safety improvement list Make modified upper fixing points - Agreed I am not sure you need the "lengthened and foldable headrest". That is an alternative if the original upper fixing point is still going to be there. That mod is possible do afterwards. It is on my list. With lenghtened headrest the safety belts do not compress your spinal - they are coming from up. It is better to be also foldable - so it does not restrict reaching back seat. I do not remember whos idea this was but "he" has good pics of it. Raimo...I think I'm the culprit...it does everything you say, and I tested mine to 15 G's, assuming 100 # upper body weight. The stress loads all go back to the original hardpoint at the back of the stock seat back/headrest. Pixs below are self explanatory. Fred ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:42 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowling with no access doors Fred, I assume you mean the inlet which is center of the upper cowling? That is a standard Europa engine air inlet. You have not Europa engine kit because your choice is Subaru? They supply Naca splash mounts with it but obviously they sell them separately. "but I'm scratching my head on how to construct air box / inlet interface w/ the upper cowl being removable." Find "Europa XS Rotax 912S Engine Manual, issue 2" and look at chapter 8 pages 1-5. I think you will get a good idea when reading that manual. It is just sealed by rubber lips. I have always thought that seal is not necessary to be tight. Hope this helps, Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowling with no access doors On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > She also with her easily removable access doorless cowling is cute > like a virgin, isnt she? ; ~~ )) Very cute...and I'm making my cowls from Alex's molds to house my mighty Subaru which I should have in about 10 days. I notice your NACA inlet...I've been thinking of doing the same thing to provide combustion air...the air filter will be just about dead center below where your inlet is...but I'm scratching my head on how to construct air box / inlet interface w/ the upper cowl being removable. For what purpose is your NACA inlet? Fred ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:12 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Safety improvement list Graham > Trouble with any fixed in line filter is you cannot check it without disturbing the fuel lines so the rubber hose gets eroded every time it is removed. It is also possible to block a filter in one event by pouring dirty fuel into the tank. (especially if the Purolator is installed back to front :-( ) I think the only acceptable filter is an Andair gascolator. Easy to check every time by draining a little fuel from the bowl. Won't allow water through either. I know we never have trouble with our cars but they either have a very large filter (with a water drain) and they very rarely get filled up out in the field miles from anywhere using someone else's scruffy old Jerry can." *** That is true but if you go Andair (which is a masterpiece itself) - it takes more time to build - it is more complex - heavier - ugly to instal to the completed plane If you have two inline filters which are parallel (Europa system) and one is blocked the other one is still usable.That is sophisticated! During early days my main tank filter was blocked (I thought my tank was perfectly cleaned after building but it was not - there was not Bob H`s dog`s hair but sanding shit) during flight. It was nice to switch reserve filter and go on flying. What happens if your one and only Andair get somehow blocked? Better to filter and take possible water out BEFORE refueling. If you have to use "someone else's scruffy old Jerry can" just use MacFunnel. Maybe there are other brand names also. I use ALWAYS MacFunnel filter which isolates contaminants and water very effective. Water which could condensate to the tank comes out by fuel drains (never seen water in that sample). I am producing a pressure refueling system and there is a very powerful gascolator (Rakor Parker S3327 Marine Gasoline Fuel Filter /Water Separator made in USA, capasitet about 400 litres /hour eg Europas empty tank will be refilled in less than10 minutes) When it is ready I am going to introduce it. Raimo OH-XRT ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: How can one now view pictures on matronics list? From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us I can browse 7 days worth of posts from this link: http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list/date.html How can I view pictures that may have been attached to a post? Photoshare only seems to have pictures that were uploaded: http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list/date.html not what was attached to posts. Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:46 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Europa-List: How can one now view pictures on matronics list? At 04:27 PM 11/19/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >I can browse 7 days worth of posts from this link: >http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list/date.html > >How can I view pictures that may have been attached to a post? > >Photoshare only seems to have pictures that were uploaded: >http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list/date.html > >not what was attached to posts. > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris Hi Ron, For the Europa List, go to the following link: http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=9 This is the web-forums interface to the Matronics List For Europa. All of the pictures will be available here that were attached to messages posted. Matt Dralle Matronics List Admin Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:37 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Europa-List: EFIS inquiry re Stratomaster To Mainly Aussie Europa Builders Can anyone give some advice regarding the Stratomaster Glass Cockpit EFIS I nstrument/ Auto Pilot please=3F I have been looking at the mid-sized Voyager which looks as if it would fit in the Monowheel Inst Panel by cribbing about 1/2=22 into the top panel edge and do all that the Dynon does in a different way. I am not an experienced power pilot and don't know enough to make a sensibl e decision; hence your comments would be appreciated. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in OZ -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:30 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Europa-List: EFIS Instruments from "Light Flying" in Australia To mainly Aussie Europa Builders Are there any of you with experience of the subject EFIS/Auto Pilot which seems to do in a different way, all that done by the Dynon? I have been looking at the mid-sized "Voyager" which looks as if it should fit in the Europa Mono Panel by intruding about 1/2" into the surrounding panel edge in its top port corner. Advice invited please. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz. http://www.lightflying.com.au/ -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:30 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Europa-List: Stratomaster EFIS - Voyager To Aussie Europa Builders Have anyone experienct of the subject instrument. It seems to me it should fit into the Mono Inst Panel and do all required of such an insturment. Any advice available from Europa builders please? JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:41:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:26 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: EFIS Instruments from "Light Flying" in Australia Sorry everyone! I thought that all my message attempts went into space! looking forward to any replies anyway! JR Gowing do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR Gowing" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: EFIS Instruments from "Light Flying" in Australia > > To mainly Aussie Europa Builders > > Are there any of you with experience of the subject EFIS/Auto Pilot which > seems to do in a different way, all that done by the Dynon? > > I have been looking at the mid-sized "Voyager" which looks as if it should > fit in the Europa Mono Panel by intruding about 1/2" into the surrounding > panel edge in its top port corner. > > Advice invited please. > > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz. > > http://www.lightflying.com.au/ > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:42:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. 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