---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/07/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:35 AM - Re : Re : Rotax 912 UL for sale (NEEL Jean Philippe) 2. 02:35 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_RE=3A_Europa-List=3A_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ursula_____H=E4nle=27s_Petite_Plastic_Pla?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ne_Patch_Primer? (Tim Houlihan) 3. 07:19 AM - [Fw: upper wing surface wrinkles] (William Daniell) 4. 09:03 AM - Re: [Fw: upper wing surface wrinkles] (rampil) 5. 10:02 AM - Re: [Fw: upper wing surface wrinkles] (rparigoris) 6. 11:47 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Re:_Europa-List:_Re:_Europa-List:_Ursula_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?____H=E4nle's_Petite_Plastic_Plane_Patch_Primer? (Mike Parkin) 7. 02:51 PM - Woodcomp SR4000 (Jan de Jong) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:59 AM PST US From: NEEL Jean Philippe Subject: Re : Re : Europa-List: Rotax 912 UL for sale Bonjour Ron=0AMay be in English it would be better to use a progressive for m to indicate that flight is in progress: "When I am flying..." =0ABon cour age =E0 ton fils pour l'apprentissage du Fran=E7ais=0ACordialement=0AJean-P hilippe=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADe : "rparigor@suffolk.l ib.ny.us" =0A=C0 : Europa =0AEnvoy=E9 le : Dim 6 D=E9cembre 2009, 20 h 32 min 44 s=0AObjet : Re : Re : Europa-List: Rotax 912 UL for sale=0A=0AHi Jean-Philippe=0A=0A"As I see you are French speaking I send=0Ayou the poetic though I wrote on my fu selage: =0A"Lorsque je=0Avole je comprends pourquoi les oiseaux chantent" =0A=0AI=0Ahad my son who takes French in High School translate:=0A"When I =0Afly I understand why the birds sing"=0A=0AHow did he do with=0Atranslati on?=0A=0AGood luck with your engine conversion.=0A=0AThx.=0ARon Parigoris ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:59 AM PST US From: Tim Houlihan Subject: Europa-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_RE=3A_Europa-List=3A_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ursula_____H=E4nle=27s_Petite_Plastic_Pla?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ne_Patch_Primer? Hi Robert I note with interest your comments about politics and personal opinion. Are you commenting on the fact that someone other than yourself has a personal opinion or are you commenting that you think political opinions should not be aired on this forum ! ! Actually I think that Rowland is making a practical point about difficulties encountered doing supposedly simple tasks. Oh and by the way I agree with Rowland on this topic ( my personal practical opinion) The Europa family is widely spread and needs fewer not more obstacles to good communications. Regards and Merry Christmas to you Tim Houlihan Robert C Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Rowland. > You just made a political statement which is a matter of personal opinion! > > Regards and Merry Christmas to you and all on the Europa Forum. > Bob Harrison G-PTAG. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson > Sent: 05 December 2009 23:41 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List: Ursula Hnle's Petite Plastic > Plane Patch Primer > > > At 2009-12-04 00:33 +0000 Karl Heindl wrote: > > >> I agree. A donation is only really feasable from another EU country, >> except Britain, that is. >> Within the EU all bank transfers are free of charge >> > > Karl - I think you mean "within the euro area" for free bank charges. > Sooner the UK adopts the euro, the better. > > regards > > Rowland > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:29 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: [Fwd: upper wing surface wrinkles] I am finally getting the wings on to the aircraft ) - must be the slowest build ever. I notice that when i look along the wing the right wing has a slight waviness to the upper surface from the root to about rib no 3. there is no equivalent on the other wing. Has any had similar experience? Will it have any effect on the flying characteristics? My feeling is not, given that the height difference is imperceptible when looking at the wing from the front - it is only when looking along the wing that you notice. My kit is an XS fast build. Any thoughts appreciated. Will ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: [Fwd: upper wing surface wrinkles] From: "rampil" Hi Will, Not to worry! Your wings should fly fine. Composite structure, when kept at temperatures near the glass transition temperature have a tendency to sag. Chordwise sagging should have minimal effect of the aerodynamics Good luck, Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276589#276589 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: [Fwd: upper wing surface wrinkles] From: "rparigoris" Hi Will "given that the height difference is imperceptible when looking at the wing from the front - it is only when looking along. Any thoughts appreciated." As Ira stated span wise waviness will not cause much harm. John L. mentioned on laminar flow gliders, .008" chord wise will begin to cause extra drag. Now as far as looks go, if you fill any "evil" where any unevenness transitions over a larger area it's hard to tell. Keep in mind you need to fare in root fairing, pretty big bump so anything outboard 18" of fairing is going to be fill. Use straight edge span wise to see what needs fill and a flexible spline or ruler to see what is needed chord wise. Best have area dark and shine light from opposite ruler paralleling wing. BOY ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN FOR A SURPRISE! Fill cures a lot of evil. My wings have many areas between ribs that are a bit low, root first couple of ribs are worst on one wing compared to the other, both bottoms of my wings have ripples by spar. I am only going to make sure there are no fast changes and perhaps go a little heavy with high build primer on low areas. Plastic aeroplanes change shape, not worth it IMHO to make things perfect at the expense of a lot of extra weight and time needed only to have it change shape on you. I am striving for a nice 5 foot aerolpane, looks nice from 5 foot but is an aeroplane that is usable and if a repair is made it will not stick out too bad compared to trying to initiate a repair on "Symmetry". For large area fill after scuff sanding I wet area with Aeropoxy and 60 minute hardener, wait for it to get good and tacky then apply Expancel very very dry with 60 minute hardener. for smaller filling I use Aeropoxy light. BTW you can go wet on wet with Aeropoxy light if you see you missed anything with Expancel. Nice thing about Aeropoxy light is you don't need to wet out and get a water line of hard epoxy to give you a hassle when sanding. For final mini filling, even larger areas that are 1/32" thick I like 3M flow-able finishing putty, it can be sanded in short time. Then will use PPG DPLF thin as an adhesion promoter and use PPG K-36 as a high build primer, then for final finish seal with DPLF and final coat use my color PPG DCC. You can have a look at my wings and see fill needed: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=37044&g2_page=1 Here is one pic of 3M used on bottom spar ripple, most will be sanded off: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=37678 Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276595#276595 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:05 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Europa-List:_Re:_Europa-List:_RE:_Europa-List:_Ursula_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?____H=E4nle's_Petite_Plastic_Plane_Patch_Primer? Hi Tim, I don't think the odd political comment can hurt (putting on tin hat !!!). Most of us live in democracies and everyone is entitled to his opinion. My personal practical opinion is I agree with Bob. A useful UK Europa Mod would be an EU jettison switch. Merry Christmas to all. Regards, Mike Oh and by the way I agree with Rowland on this topic ( my personal practical opinion) > Karl - I think you mean "within the euro area" for free bank charges. > Sooner the UK adopts the euro, the better. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:28 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR4000 Woodcomp now has SR4000/2 hydraulic propeller on its website. Sizes 1600 and 1700 mm. For use with Jihostroj governor. Similar proposition as Whirlwind Aviation 100 propeller. No mention of a 3-bladed option. Maybe /2 implies a future /n with n not equal 2. No hits in web search. Anybody know more? 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