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1. 01:34 AM - Re: Is it possible to register for VAT (ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk)
2. 05:35 AM - Monowheel Flap Operation (flyingphil2)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Peter Zutrauen)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (david miller)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Bob Borger)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Graham Singleton)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Graham Singleton)
8. 07:09 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Fred Klein)
9. 07:30 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (rampil)
10. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (Jeff B)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (david miller)
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Subject: | Re: Is it possible to register for VAT |
Hi! Kourtney
Surely you don't think the British Inland Revenue and Customs and
Excise are so stupid as to allow you to be excused paying a statutory
tax?
The only way you may get through the hoop is to register as a company
or sole trader and commit to doing VAT returns quarterly and sooner or
later they will catch up with you ,miss a return and they will be on
you like a ton of bricks.
I don't know what procedure applies to deregister but you can bet
somewhere some system exists to do the "bean" counting and hence an
indepth investigation will follow.
Drop it through a busy company accounts system and you may get through
after saving all the paperwork for the obligatory seven years but you
can expect to have at least one VAT inspection with you "stood by the
bed" in that period.
Just pay up like we all have to do! or get someone to act as a carrier
across borders for you but they are as rare a hens teeth !
Happy New Year and enjoy doing your sums again !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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>Subj: Europa-List: Is it possible to register for VAT
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>Is it possible to register for VAT and then de-register soonafter? I
have set up a website and would love to get my VAT on the build costs
back. Trouble is, I don't want to have to charge VAT going forward so
would want to deregister. Is this allowed?
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2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009
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Subject: | Monowheel Flap Operation |
Hi,
I'm just following up on something I read on a recent thread and had thought of
before.
The thread mentioned that "a few of the mono builders are opting for the trike
flap drive". I'm not flying a mono yet but have flown in them and had noticed
that they take off with full flap. It had occurred to me that the flap drive
motor may be a better idea.
I'm not sure how you would deal with the outriggers but what do mono pilots think
about this? There is the drag of full flap on take off and the pitch change
when you put it away. Having said that, the person I flew with partially raised
the gear and allowed it to float at half flap for a short while whilst climbing
out to reduce the pitch change. Is that the best technique to use or is
fitting a motor and making the flaps independent of undercarriage better or
is there in fact no problem at all?
Regards,
Phil
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
I wonder how disconnecting the flaps from the gear affects the insurance
rates (ie- a more complex aircraft)?
For sure it would make it a whole lot easier to land gear-up.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM, flyingphil2 <ptiller@lolacars.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm just following up on something I read on a recent thread and had
> thought of before.
>
> The thread mentioned that "a few of the mono builders are opting for the
> trike flap drive". I'm not flying a mono yet but have flown in them and had
> noticed that they take off with full flap. It had occurred to me that the
> flap drive motor may be a better idea.
>
> I'm not sure how you would deal with the outriggers but what do mono pilots
> think about this? There is the drag of full flap on take off and the pitch
> change when you put it away. Having said that, the person I flew with
> partially raised the gear and allowed it to float at half flap for a short
> while whilst climbing out to reduce the pitch change. Is that the best
> technique to use or is fitting a motor and making the flaps independent of
> undercarriage better or is there in fact no problem at all?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279195#279195
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Hi Pete,
The insurer will not ask the question, I doubt that it will affect
the premium one way or the other.
I find that the Tri-gear needs about 20 degrees of flap on take off,
so there may not be much advantage to adding an electric flap drive
to a mono.
Dave A061
:
> I wonder how disconnecting the flaps from the gear affects the
> insurance rates (ie- a more complex aircraft)?
>
>
> Pete
> A239
>
>
> The thread mentioned that "a few of the mono builders are opting
> for the trike flap drive". I'm not flying a mono yet but have
> flown in them and had noticed that they take off with full flap.
> It had occurred to me that the flap drive motor may be a better idea.
>
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> Phil
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Phil,
FWIW, from my massive 20 hours and 50 or so takeoffs and landings in my monowheel.
I see it as a solution in search of a non-existent problem.
On takeoff, I find the best procedure is to gain some comfortable airspeed and
altitude, slip the gear lever out of the down-notch and slide it forward at a
pace that allow you to compensate for the pitch change and provides minimal change
in rate of climb. If you just pop the gear handle out of the down-notch
and slap it smartly forward into the up-notch, you have a rapid pitch change,
climb stops and you may settle some before you accelerate out and begin to climb
again.
For landing, just the opposite. Arrive in the pattern, slow below the 80 kt flap
extension speed, take the gear handle out of the up-notch and bring it smartly
aft and into the down-notch, make sure the down-lock is in place. It gets
the pitch change out of the way without much fuss, you are in landing configuration
and the gear is down and locked. If you start messing with a slow, cautious
extension at various places along the pattern, you will be distracted somewhere
along the way and the gear won't end up down and locked. I also see the
potential for one of the outriggers not making it into the down latch if the
handle isn't operated smartly.
Just my 2 cents worth. I'm sure there will be other procedures and opinions.
Wishing all a Most Prosperous New Year!
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S prop.
Hoping for weather warm enough that I can complete the fuel system mods this weekend.
On Wednesday, December 30, 2009, at 07:34AM, "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm just following up on something I read on a recent thread and had thought of
before.
>
>The thread mentioned that "a few of the mono builders are opting for the trike
flap drive". I'm not flying a mono yet but have flown in them and had noticed
that they take off with full flap. It had occurred to me that the flap drive
motor may be a better idea.
>
>I'm not sure how you would deal with the outriggers but what do mono pilots think
about this? There is the drag of full flap on take off and the pitch change
when you put it away. Having said that, the person I flew with partially raised
the gear and allowed it to float at half flap for a short while whilst climbing
out to reduce the pitch change. Is that the best technique to use or
is fitting a motor and making the flaps independent of undercarriage better or
is there in fact no problem at all?
>
>Regards,
>
>Phil
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279195#279195
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Phil
imho, yes it is. There is no load on the flap drive, all flight loads
are taken along the flap hangers except perhaps a bit of skin friction.
The flap should stay anywhere you put it in flight without having to
hold the lever. Only load on the lever is the weight of the gear, hence
the importance of the bungee and its tension
Graham
flyingphil2 wrote:
> Having said that, the person I flew with partially raised the gear and allowed
it to float at half flap for a short while whilst climbing out to reduce the
pitch change. Is that the best technique to use or is fitting a motor and making
the flaps independent of undercarriage better or is there in fact no problem
at all?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Bob
you put it better than I did. Worth more than 2 cents ;-)
Graham
Bob Borger wrote:
> For landing, just the opposite. Arrive in the pattern, slow below the 80 kt
flap extension speed, take the gear handle out of the up-notch and bring it smartly
aft and into the down-notch, make sure the down-lock is in place. It gets
the pitch change out of the way without much fuss, you are in landing configuration
and the gear is down and locked. If you start messing with a slow, cautious
extension at various places along the pattern, you will be distracted
somewhere along the way and the gear won't end up down and locked. I also see
the potential for one of the outriggers not making it into the down latch if
the handle isn't operated smartly.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth. I'm sure there will be other procedures and opinions.
>
> Wishing all a Most Prosperous New Year!
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
...an interesting topic...as a mono-builder, I've put in the hardpoint
for the flap motor as per the trigear supplement to facilitate
possible future conversion...remains to be determined how, in such an
event, I would retract the outriggers...Eric Trombley, if I recall
correctly, has an electric outrigger retract system which buries the
entire assembly within the Classic foam wing; I know of several
electric retract installations which leave the pivoting assembly
intact. OTOH, I know of one Brit who leaves his outriggers down all
the time as he is convinced and confident that stowing them does not
reduce drag by a measurable amount.
...for anyone who has pretty much followed the build manual and is
concerned about finishing his bird too soon, I'd say that this topic
would take one off at a suitable tangent and suck up 6 months to a
year...bearing in mind that the proper operation of the outrigger
system is mission critical every time you land. I'm content to leave
this sleeping dog lie (or is it lay?).
Notwithstanding my personal aviation mantra ("always manage the degree
of novelty"), I've become somewhat of a deviant in my Europa build so
I'm no one to talk...satisfying, but it definitely impacts time before
first flight.
a penny's worth,
Fred
A194
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Hi Pete,
I am curious about your comment that the trike needs 20 (essentially full)
flaps selected for takeoff. That does not match my experience, which
addmittedly is not huge and 99% on hard surface, but includes 256 hrs,
and over 600 landings or T&G.
I use flaps with measureable salutory effect when the DA exceeds 2500',
and then I only use 10 degrees. Without flaps and a DA < 1000', I am usually passing
50' altitude by 1000' of runway (no pax of course), and
climb rate at Vy usually exceeds 1000 fpm comfortably.
Can you please tell us more about your experience in why need flaps for
takeoff?
Happy New Year,
Ira
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
I use about 10 degrees, flap on hard surfaces and 15 degrees or so on
turf, as a general rule. circumstances may dictate some deviation from
these practices, of course. BTW, I've found that the Tri-gear doesn't
"require" flaps, at all, for t/o and landing. They are simply a
convenience...
Jeff - Baby Blue
rampil wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I am curious about your comment that the trike needs 20 (essentially full)
> flaps selected for takeoff. That does not match my experience, which
> addmittedly is not huge and 99% on hard surface, but includes 256 hrs,
> and over 600 landings or T&G.
>
> I use flaps with measureable salutory effect when the DA exceeds 2500',
> and then I only use 10 degrees. Without flaps and a DA < 1000', I am usually
passing 50' altitude by 1000' of runway (no pax of course), and
> climb rate at Vy usually exceeds 1000 fpm comfortably.
>
> Can you please tell us more about your experience in why need flaps for
> takeoff?
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Ira
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Hi Ira,
Blame me for that, not Pete.
I usually fly with a passenger ( hope he has not put on weight over
the holidays ), and am at max weight,
also with the 2 of us the C of G is near the front end of the
envelope. This may explain why to me the take off
goes better with more flap. I've tried no flap take offs, but the
ground run seems longer.
Years ago Jim Thursby suggested full down aileron and matching the
flap to this, I took this to be about 20 degrees, but perhaps that is
not the case.
Dave A061
On 30-Dec-09, at 10:29 AM, rampil wrote:
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I am curious about your comment that the trike needs 20
> (essentially full)
> flaps selected for takeoff. That does not match my experience, which
> addmittedly is not huge and 99% on hard surface, but includes 256 hrs,
> and over 600 landings or T&G.
>
> I use flaps with measureable salutory effect when the DA exceeds
> 2500',
> and then I only use 10 degrees. Without flaps and a DA < 1000', I
> am usually passing 50' altitude by 1000' of runway (no pax of
> course), and
> climb rate at Vy usually exceeds 1000 fpm comfortably.
>
> Can you please tell us more about your experience in why need flaps
> for
> takeoff?
>
> Happy New Year,
>
> Ira
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279215#279215
>
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