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1. 02:05 AM - Re: cold starting tips 912S (Richard Iddon)
2. 09:09 AM - [Fw: Aileron deflection] (William Daniell)
3. 10:07 AM - Re: Monowheel Flap Operation (flyingphil2)
4. 10:15 AM - Wing Lateral push rod (flyingphil2)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: {Spam?} Re: Monowheel tunnel dimensions? (Jan de Jong)
6. 11:45 AM - Re: cold starting tips 912S (rampil)
7. 11:55 AM - low pass enroute to Mildenhall (Fred Klein)
8. 01:07 PM - Re: Wing Lateral push rod (Pete Lawless)
9. 01:54 PM - Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall (Graham Singleton)
10. 02:04 PM - Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall (Paul McAllister)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall (danny shepherd)
12. 03:52 PM - Re: [Fw: Aileron deflection] (Graham Singleton)
13. 04:00 PM - Woodcomp SR 3000 (Carl Pattinson)
14. 05:57 PM - low pass enroute to Mildenhall, part 2 (Fred Klein)
15. 09:39 PM - Re: CG of Rotax (JR Gowing)
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| Subject: | cold starting tips 912S |
I don't know what Marks cold start device is. Can you elaborate?
Richard.
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| Subject: | [Fwd: Aileron deflection] |
I have set up my ailerons and everything appears to be fine except that
the left one is +23.5 and - 19 whereas the right is the regulation +23.5
and - 20.
How critical is this?
How did others measure this? I am using an inclinometer at right angles
to the line of the aileron hinges.
Will
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Flap Operation |
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like the problem is non-existent - I'll continue
the build as per manual....
Regards,
Phil
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| Subject: | Wing Lateral push rod |
Hi,
Another question:
My XS manual calls for TU1 to be cut to a length of 1.91m (75 3/16") for the wing
lateral push rods. However, I have Classic wings and I'm re-newing the pushrods.
Can anyone with a Classic manual tell me what length is called for. The
old ones I have are a little shorter and I want to know if that was by design
or accident and therefore what length I should make the new ones.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel tunnel dimensions? |
Thank you Craig,
Minimum clearance of bend in the cross tube noted, drive rod most likely
better - I should be ok.
Front rudder cable height noted - I'm thinking of doing Ian Rickard's
rudder pedal platform reduction mod. Should decrease height by 30 mm or so.
Also doing G.S. tailwheel and rudder drive (as supplied by factory)
which increases rear rudder cable height. I drew a string and got about
70 mm at bagage bay supports.
And you're right - I'm fitting as much stuff as I can. While hopefully
not making future access altogether impossible.
Gascolators will be between inboard and outboard port bagage bay supports.
And no, don't know Yep. The family name "de Jong" may sound a bit exotic
but it is the most common in the Netherlands. There are hundreds of
thousands of us.
Thanks again,
Jan
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| Subject: | Re: cold starting tips 912S |
Hi Richard and Happy New Year!
While I can not imagine my good friend Gary down in Tampa
has much experience with cold starting, he has the drill down pat.
Of course and degree of engine block and/or warming helps too!
I did a -1 C start yesterday
10 blades of prop rotation to move some oil back into the block.
Electric fuel pump until the pressure is up to 5 or so.
I have always used both sets of plugs so I can not comment
on the effectiveness of the starter gizmo that Rotax is touting
since last year.
The battery must be charged to the point where the starter will do
600 rpm or the ignition system will not generate a spark (this is
a BIG one!)
Pull the throttle back hard against the stop so the enricher circuit
works best
Pull back the choke so the enricher works best too!
Once the engine catches, leave the choke enricher engage longer than
usual before switching to the standard throttle.
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | low pass enroute to Mildenhall |
Happy New Year, everybody...following a bit off topic, but perhaps of
interest:
by Brian Shul, Retired SR-71 Pilot via Plane and Pilot Magazine
As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the
question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?" I
can
be assured of hearing that question several times at any event I
attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's
proclivity
for speed, but there really isn't one number to give, as the jet
would
always give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was
common
to see 35 miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number
on
most missions, and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we
never
let it run out to any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each
SR-71
pilot had his own individual ?high? speed that he saw at some point
on
some mission. I saw mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two
missiles my
way, and max power was in order. Let?s just say that the plane truly
loved speed and effortlessly took us to Mach numbers we hadn?t
previously seen.
So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of my
presentations, someone asked, ?what was the slowest you ever flew the
Blackbird?? This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was
reminded of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the
following.
I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England, with my
back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over
Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission
from home base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we
learned that a small RAF base in the English countryside had
requested an SR-71 fly-past. The air cadet commander there was a
former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would be a motivating moment
for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a low approach.
No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial refueling
over the North Sea, we proceeded to find the small airfield.
Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation equipment in the
back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to
subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a
slight haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we
were looking for had a small tower and little surrounding
infrastructure. Walter told me we were close and that I should be
able to see the field, but I saw nothing.
Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a
little lower, and I pulled the throttles back from 325 knots we were
at. With the gear up, anything under 275 was just uncomfortable.
Walt said we were practically over the field?yet; there was nothing
in my windscreen. I banked the jet and started a gentle circling
maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that looked like a field.
Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the cadets up on
the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the
fly-past. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray
overcast.
Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be
below us but in the overcast and haze, I couldn't see it. The
longer we continued to peer out the window and circle, the slower we
got. With our power back, the awaiting cadets heard nothing. I
must have had good instructors in my flying career, as something told
me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed the airspeed
indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my
adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At
this point we weren't really flying, but were falling in a slight
bank. Just at the moment that both afterburners lit with a
thunderous roar of flame (and what a joyous feeling that was) the
aircraft fell into full view of the shocked observers on the tower.
Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they now had 107 feet
of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled and
accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer
than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort
of ultimate knife-edge pass.
Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back to Mildenhall
without incident. We didn't say a word for those next 14 minutes.
After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he
was reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands
and said the commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71
fly-past he had ever seen, especially how we had surprised them
with such a precise maneuver that could only be described as
breathtaking. He said that some of the cadet?s hats were blown off
and the sight of the plan form of the plane in full afterburner
dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I both
understood the concept of ?breathtaking? very well that morning,
and sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low
approach.
As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to
flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn't spoken a word since ?the
pass.? Finally, Walter looked at me and said, ?One hundred
fifty-six knots.
What did you see?? Trying to find my voice, I stammered, ?One
hundred
fifty-two.? We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, ?Don?t
ever do that to me again!? And I never did.
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| Subject: | Wing Lateral push rod |
Phil
The length is not specified. You initially cut the tube to be 76inches and
then adjust the length by measurement.
Would you like me to scan and email the appropriate pages over to you?
Regards
Pete
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Sent: 01 January 2010 18:12
Subject: Europa-List: Wing Lateral push rod
Hi,
Another question:
My XS manual calls for TU1 to be cut to a length of 1.91m (75 3/16") for the
wing lateral push rods. However, I have Classic wings and I'm re-newing the
pushrods. Can anyone with a Classic manual tell me what length is called
for. The old ones I have are a little shorter and I want to know if that
was by design or accident and therefore what length I should make the new
ones.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall |
Fred
that was nice, thanks and happy new year!
Graham
Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Happy New Year, everybody...following a bit off topic, but perhaps of
> interest:
>
> by Brian Shul, Retired SR-71 Pilot via Plane and Pilot Magazine
>
> As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the
> question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?"
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| Subject: | Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall |
Fred,
Thanks for sharing this. I went to a lecture by one of the SR71 pilots as
KOSH last year and he he gave a fascinating insight to the mission
preparation process.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: low pass enroute to Mildenhall |
Thanks Fred,
That was excellent, I'll be forwarding this on to my
aviation buddies.
Have a great new year
Thanks Danny G-ceri
Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Happy New Year, everybody...following a bit off topic, but perhaps of
> interest:
>
> by Brian Shul, Retired SR-71 Pilot via Plane and Pilot Magazine
>
> As a former SR-71 pilot, and a professional keynote speaker, the
> question I'm most often asked is "How fast would that SR-71 fly?" I
> can
> be assured of hearing that question several times at any event I
> attend. It's an interesting question, given the aircraft's proclivity
> for speed, but there really isn't one number to give, as the jet would
> always give you a little more speed if you wanted it to. It was
> common
> to see 35 miles a minute. Because we flew a programmed Mach number on
> most missions, and never wanted to harm the plane in any way, we never
> let it run out to any limits of temperature or speed. Thus, each
> SR-71
> pilot had his own individual ?high? speed that he saw at some point on
> some mission. I saw mine over Libya when Khadafy fired two
> missiles my
> way, and max power was in order. Let?s just say that the plane truly
> loved speed and effortlessly took us to Mach numbers we hadn?t
> previously seen.
>
> So it was with great surprise, when at the end of one of my
> presentations, someone asked, ?what was the slowest you ever flew the
> Blackbird?? This was a first. After giving it some thought, I was
> reminded of a story that I had never shared before, and relayed the
> following.
>
> I was flying the SR-71 out of RAF Mildenhall, England, with my
> back-seater, Walt Watson; we were returning from a mission over
> Europe and the Iron Curtain when we received a radio transmission
> from home base. As we scooted across Denmark in three minutes, we
> learned that a small RAF base in the English countryside had
> requested an SR-71 fly-past. The air cadet commander there was a
> former Blackbird pilot, and thought it would be a motivating moment
> for the young lads to see the mighty SR-71 perform a low approach.
> No problem, we were happy to do it. After a quick aerial refueling
> over the North Sea, we proceeded to find the small airfield.
>
> Walter had a myriad of sophisticated navigation equipment in the
> back seat, and began to vector me toward the field. Descending to
> subsonic speeds, we found ourselves over a densely wooded area in a
> slight haze. Like most former WWII British airfields, the one we
> were looking for had a small tower and little surrounding
> infrastructure. Walter told me we were close and that I should be
> able to see the field, but I saw nothing.
>
> Nothing but trees as far as I could see in the haze. We got a
> little lower, and I pulled the throttles back from 325 knots we were
> at. With the gear up, anything under 275 was just uncomfortable.
> Walt said we were practically over the field?yet; there was nothing
> in my windscreen. I banked the jet and started a gentle circling
> maneuver in hopes of picking up anything that looked like a field.
> Meanwhile, below, the cadet commander had taken the cadets up on
> the catwalk of the tower in order to get a prime view of the
> fly-past. It was a quiet, still day with no wind and partial gray
> overcast.
>
> Walter continued to give me indications that the field should be
> below us but in the overcast and haze, I couldn't see it. The
> longer we continued to peer out the window and circle, the slower we
> got. With our power back, the awaiting cadets heard nothing. I
> must have had good instructors in my flying career, as something told
> me I better cross-check the gauges. As I noticed the airspeed
> indicator slide below 160 knots, my heart stopped and my
> adrenalin-filled left hand pushed two throttles full forward. At
> this point we weren't really flying, but were falling in a slight
> bank. Just at the moment that both afterburners lit with a
> thunderous roar of flame (and what a joyous feeling that was) the
> aircraft fell into full view of the shocked observers on the tower.
> Shattering the still quiet of that morning, they now had 107 feet
> of fire-breathing titanium in their face as the plane leveled and
> accelerated, in full burner, on the tower side of the infield, closer
> than expected, maintaining what could only be described as some sort
> of ultimate knife-edge pass.
>
> Quickly reaching the field boundary, we proceeded back to Mildenhall
> without incident. We didn't say a word for those next 14 minutes.
>
> After landing, our commander greeted us, and we were both certain he
> was reaching for our wings. Instead, he heartily shook our hands
> and said the commander had told him it was the greatest SR-71
> fly-past he had ever seen, especially how we had surprised them
> with such a precise maneuver that could only be described as
> breathtaking. He said that some of the cadet?s hats were blown off
> and the sight of the plan form of the plane in full afterburner
> dropping right in front of them was unbelievable. Walt and I both
> understood the concept of ?breathtaking? very well that morning,
> and sheepishly replied that they were just excited to see our low
> approach.
>
> As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to
> flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn't spoken a word since ?the
> pass.? Finally, Walter looked at me and said, ?One hundred
> fifty-six knots.
>
> What did you see?? Trying to find my voice, I stammered, ?One hundred
> fifty-two.? We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, ?Don?t
> ever do that to me again!? And I never did.
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: Aileron deflection] |
Will
I wouldn't worry about it
Graham
William Daniell wrote:
>
>
> I have set up my ailerons and everything appears to be fine except
> that the left one is +23.5 and - 19 whereas the right is the
> regulation +23.5 and - 20.
>
> How critical is this?
>
> How did others measure this? I am using an inclinometer at right
> angles to the line of the aileron hinges.
>
> Will
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| Subject: | Woodcomp SR 3000 |
Hi,
Does anyone have a copy of the factory assembly instructions for the 3 blade
Woodcomp propeller. I was sure the factory emailed me them when they
returned my prop but cant find it anywhere.
Have asked Jiri from Woodcomp for another copy but if anybody has one
available it would be appreciated. I believe it is in Excel file format.
Thanks in advance.
Carl Pattinson
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| Subject: | low pass enroute to Mildenhall, part 2 |
Sorry guys, on my previous post, I left off the last two paragraphs of
the story...here's the end:
As we retired to the equipment room to change from space suits to
flight suits, we just sat there-we hadn't spoken a word since ?the
pass.? Finally, Walter looked at me and said, ?One hundred
fifty-six knots.
What did you see?? Trying to find my voice, I stammered, ?One
hundred
fifty-two.? We sat in silence for a moment. Then Walt said, ?Don?t
ever do that to me again!? And I never did.
A year later, Walter and I were having lunch in the Mildenhall
Officer?s club, and overheard an officer talking to some cadets about
an SR-71 fly-past that he had seen one day. Of course, by now the
story included kids falling off the tower and screaming as the heat
of the jet singed their eyebrows. Noticing our HABU patches, as we
stood there with lunch trays in our hands, he asked us to verify to
the cadets that such a thing had occurred. Walt just shook his
head and said, ?It was probably just a routine low approach;
they're pretty impressive in that plane.? Impressive indeed.
Little did I realize after relaying this experience to my
audience
that day that it would become one of the most popular and most
requested stories. It?s ironic that people are interested in how slow
the world?s fastest jet can fly. Regardless of your speed,
however, it?s always a good idea to keep that cross-check up?and
keep your Mach up, too.
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Fred
My 912S set-up measures 847mm from top of front faceof the firewall to
topof the front face of propeller boss as 847mm
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: CG of Rotax
>
> Michel,
>
> Thank you...I don't have the Rotax manuals...if they are available
> online, I will look up the C of G of the Rotax...but that, of course,
> is only part of the information I'm looking for. The crucial thing is
> the location of the Rotax on the Europa.
>
> Fred
>
> On Dec 27, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Michel AUVRAY wrote:
>
>> These informations are on the rotax manual of each engine.
>> Drawings front lateral upside and CofG if you don't have it is
>> possible to create a pdf for you
>
>> Fred Klein a crit :
>
>>> By any chance, does anyone know the weight of their Rotax and the
>>> location of its C of G (when mounted in place) relative to the
>>> Fuselage Datum 0.0 or perhaps relative to the firewall?
>>>
>
>
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On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:36 PM, JR Gowing wrote:
> My 912S set-up measures 847mm from top of front faceof the firewall
> to topof the front face of propeller boss as 847mm
Terrific Bob, thank you very much...Fred
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Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "europa-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Europa-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Europa-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/europa-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Europa-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Europa-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Europa-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Europa-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Europa-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Europa-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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**********************************
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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