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1. 12:15 AM - Re: Aft battery (A B Milne)
2. 03:40 AM - Re: Aft battery (David Joyce)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: Aft battery (Graham Singleton)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Europa-Cold Cruse Temps (david miller)
5. 10:23 AM - Re: Aft battery (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
6. 01:12 PM - Re: cold starting tips 912S (William Daniell)
7. 01:44 PM - Tail wheel tow bar (Troy Maynor)
8. 01:58 PM - Re: Aft battery (Frans Veldman)
9. 02:05 PM - Re: Tail wheel tow bar (Robert Borger)
10. 03:07 PM - Re: Tail wheel tow bar (Jim Brown)
11. 03:16 PM - Re: Looking to Buy Trigrear (SteveD)
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Aft batteryMake a battery box with a rim (glass and resin - I used the
transit box as a form) and bond it to the baggage bay floor clear of the
flap tube so that a hatch is the lid . That saves wrinkling the
bottom fuselage skin, holds the battery securely when the hatch is
screwed down and retains the battery connection washers and wing nuts
when you drop them.
Alasdair Milne
----- Original Message -----
From: Fergus Kyle
To: EUROPALIST
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Aft battery
I seem to recall someone placing his/her battery aft to balance the
aircraft. I would like to ask if that someone would be kind enough to
describe how the square-type item is mounted in the roundie-kind aft
fuselage - contoured bulkheads, foam filler, size plywood etc.
Thanks, Ferg
Still wiring
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Ferg, It seems to me there are real advantages in having the battery forward
(as Bob Harrison + convenient access). Even with a 914, a Woodcomp SR3000, a
17 amp hr Odyysey, and a very full panel, I found that a forward battery
gave me an ideal C of G position with 3 lbs of lead fixed to the rudder post
in the fin. 3 lbs is probably less than the wire needed to get decent
performance from an aft placed battery. So I would recommend planning
forward until proved otherwise.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Aft battery
>I seem to recall someone placing his/her battery aft to balance the
> aircraft. I would like to ask if that someone would be kind enough to
> describe how the square-type item is mounted in the roundie-kind aft
> fuselage - contoured bulkheads, foam filler, size plywood etc.
> Thanks, Ferg
> Still wiring
>
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Ferg
you are not overweight so I agree with David
Graham
David Joyce wrote:
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Ferg, . So I would recommend planning forward until proved otherwise.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergu
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-Cold Cruse Temps |
Jeff,
Not an elegant solution, but for much of the year up here I have the
oil cooler partially blocked off with duct tape.
Normally will give me oil and coolant temps of around of around 185 F
in cruise.
WIsh it was 30 F here, this AM was 12 F with 2 feet of snow.
I need to install cabin heat, but will not get enough hot air from
the radiator, the front port exhaust pipe seems to offer the best
location for a heat muff.
If anyone has done this, I would like to get details.
Dave C-FBZI
On 2-Jan-10, at 6:56 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Gilles & All,
> Yes the manuals state the optimized temps but my question is this.
> Keeping in mind I have no engineering or mechanical background I
> simply would like to know if there are known minimum sustained CHT
> temps and if so what have others done to raise them? I have not
> flown the Europa in very cold air and now that I have a heater I
> was wondering if there are minimums I need to watch out for. For
> now I'm only monitoring CHT and Oil temps.
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote:
>
>> grenoble.fr>
>>
>> JEFF ROBERTS a crit :
>>>
>>> With all the starting temps being discussed can anyone spread
>>> some light on minimums on cruising temps. Cold weather operation
>>> in the manual covers carb icing concerns but it doesn't really
>>> cover cruising temps. Maybe there isn't a reason to cover it.
>>> It's about 30 F outside right now. Other then maybe covering some
>>> of the radiator can anyone suggest other possible solutions to
>>> keeping the water temps up? Is there a minimum CHT we should
>>> watch out for?
>>>
>> Jeff and all,
>>
>> The Rotax manuals do state the optimum cylinder head and oil temps.
>> One way to ensure proper temperatures is to use a correct cooling
>> air duct and cowl flap. Thus when you reduce airflow through the
>> radiators, you also reduce cooling drag.
>> Other ways include providing too large an air supply to the
>> radiators and blanking them up, or using an oil or water
>> thermostat. But your airplanes experiences excessive cooling drag
>> all the time...
>> Some designer also combine poor cooling with excessive drag ;-)
>> The basics of radiator aerodynamics can be seen here :
>> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_aerodyn_radia_en.php
>>
>> The Europa cooling can be optimized, but this may imply some
>> redesign of the cowling and radiator ducts.
>>
>> Happy New Year,
>> Best regards,
>> --
>> Gilles
>> http://contrails.free.fr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi David
I calculated CG with battery mounted onfirewall
versus aft mounting butting baggage ribs. Even with using number 4 copper
Tefzel cable there is a weight savings with an aft battery. I have my
PC545 mounted aft of baggage bulkhead and there is even more of a weight
savings andusing #4 copper clad aluminium wire as sold by Eric
Jones, even more. One advantage for me is i am not using a battery main
relay, but instead a switch from Flaming river mounted on the headrest. I
also have a selection of circuit breakers and switches just aft of
passeneger headrest. an aft battery easily allows this. For simplicity no
question battery on firewall, for weight savings aft mounted.
Here is
stuff in headrest that aft mounting makes possible that moves CG aft as
well:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30502
I have my shoulder harness mounted just aft of rear door closeout so
passenger headrest need not be very structural:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27386
Switch saves weight and power over relay, details:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30683
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: cold starting tips 912S |
if it works...
thanks...
Jeff B wrote:
>
> Less ignition, less kickback? Just seems to work for me...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> William Daniell wrote:
>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> why one mag?
>>
>> Will
>>
>> Jeff B wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> Turn the prop through several blades, by hand (24 or so with ignition
>>> off), then start on one mag, adding the second as soon as the engine
>>> fires.
>>>
>>> Jeff - Baby Blue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail wheel tow bar |
Hi All,
I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but
it has the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is
light-weight, collapsible, and reasonably priced. I am in the USA.
Troy Maynor
Monowheel Classic UK120
Ready for inspection and
soon first flight
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On 01/03/2010 12:37 PM, David Joyce wrote:
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Ferg, It seems to me there are real advantages in having the battery
> forward (as Bob Harrison + convenient access). Even with a 914, a
> Woodcomp SR3000, a 17 amp hr Odyysey, and a very full panel, I found
> that a forward battery gave me an ideal C of G position with 3 lbs of
> lead fixed to the rudder post in the fin. 3 lbs is probably less than
> the wire needed to get decent performance from an aft placed battery.
I have an aft placed battery (well, actually two), and the wires needed
weigh closer to 1 lbs than 2 lbs (and not even substracting the weight
of the wires you would need anyway with a forward placed battery.) "Aft"
may sound like it is awfully far away, but in reality, it is just a few
feet more than on the footwell, nothing to worry about. I used the
copper clad aluminium wires from Eric Jones.
The 914 cranks superb, as if the battery is placed next to the engine.
I still don't know how my C of G will turn out (weather isn't
cooperating; I would have to trailer the ship to a weighing station, but
don't want to do this on roads covered with snow and salt), but I
suspect that with a 914 with dual alternator, intercooler and SR3000, an
aft placed battery has an advantage here.
To carry around 3 lbs of non functional lead, after all the painstaking
weigh savings during the built, is well, quite a waste to my opinion,
and something to be avoided if possible.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel tow bar |
Troy,
Yes, there's a great tow bar made by Bogert AViation. It's called the Bogi-Bar.
Raimo recommended it to me.
Go to my gallery, Year #7, Q4, 2008 and you should see some pics and there is complete
contact information and a 2 year old price.
It is light & collapsable. You can decide if the price is reasonable.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jan 3, 2010, at 15:44, Troy Maynor wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but it has
the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is light-weight, collapsible,
and reasonably priced. I am in the USA.
>
> Troy Maynor
> Monowheel Classic UK120
> Ready for inspection and
> soon first flight
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tail wheel tow bar |
Troy
-
Augustene purchased some nylon straping 1/2 inch wide about 8 foot long.Fro
m Lowes I think.-She made about 1 inch loop on each end.. I extened the t
ail wheel axel so that I had a place to hang the loops on. Then all you nee
d to do is pick up the strap and pull. The plane will follow where -ever
you go When done take the strap, fold it up, and put in the baggage compart
ment.
-
I'll take couple pictures and send to you next time I,m at the hanger this
week.
--- On Sun, 1/3/10, Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote:
From: Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel tow bar
Hi All,
-
I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but it
has the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is light-weig
ht, collapsible, and reasonably priced. I am in the USA.
-
Troy Maynor
Monowheel Classic UK120
Ready for inspection and
soon first flight
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| Subject: | Re: Looking to Buy Trigrear |
Please respond with the contact info below.
Steved
Hi there
My name is Carlos and I'm searching an used Europa Trigear for our local Aero Club in Viseu, Portugal (LPVZ). http://www.acv.pt.vu
We'd like to find a Trigear with a Rotax 912S.
I understand it will be easy to operate and cheap to maintain. Maybe one of the
best options to keep ourselves flying more often.
Could you help me on this? Thanks
antonio.carlos.costa@gmail.com
Thanks
Carlos Costa
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7082
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