---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/03/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - Re: Aft battery (A B Milne) 2. 03:40 AM - Re: Aft battery (David Joyce) 3. 04:58 AM - Re: Aft battery (Graham Singleton) 4. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Europa-Cold Cruse Temps (david miller) 5. 10:23 AM - Re: Aft battery (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 6. 01:12 PM - Re: cold starting tips 912S (William Daniell) 7. 01:44 PM - Tail wheel tow bar (Troy Maynor) 8. 01:58 PM - Re: Aft battery (Frans Veldman) 9. 02:05 PM - Re: Tail wheel tow bar (Robert Borger) 10. 03:07 PM - Re: Tail wheel tow bar (Jim Brown) 11. 03:16 PM - Re: Looking to Buy Trigrear (SteveD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:13 AM PST US From: "A B Milne" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aft battery Aft batteryMake a battery box with a rim (glass and resin - I used the transit box as a form) and bond it to the baggage bay floor clear of the flap tube so that a hatch is the lid . That saves wrinkling the bottom fuselage skin, holds the battery securely when the hatch is screwed down and retains the battery connection washers and wing nuts when you drop them. Alasdair Milne ----- Original Message ----- From: Fergus Kyle To: EUROPALIST Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: Aft battery I seem to recall someone placing his/her battery aft to balance the aircraft. I would like to ask if that someone would be kind enough to describe how the square-type item is mounted in the roundie-kind aft fuselage - contoured bulkheads, foam filler, size plywood etc. Thanks, Ferg Still wiring ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:50 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aft battery Ferg, It seems to me there are real advantages in having the battery forward (as Bob Harrison + convenient access). Even with a 914, a Woodcomp SR3000, a 17 amp hr Odyysey, and a very full panel, I found that a forward battery gave me an ideal C of G position with 3 lbs of lead fixed to the rudder post in the fin. 3 lbs is probably less than the wire needed to get decent performance from an aft placed battery. So I would recommend planning forward until proved otherwise. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: Aft battery >I seem to recall someone placing his/her battery aft to balance the > aircraft. I would like to ask if that someone would be kind enough to > describe how the square-type item is mounted in the roundie-kind aft > fuselage - contoured bulkheads, foam filler, size plywood etc. > Thanks, Ferg > Still wiring > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:33 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aft battery Ferg you are not overweight so I agree with David Graham David Joyce wrote: > > > Ferg, . So I would recommend planning forward until proved otherwise. > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergu ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:51 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-Cold Cruse Temps Jeff, Not an elegant solution, but for much of the year up here I have the oil cooler partially blocked off with duct tape. Normally will give me oil and coolant temps of around of around 185 F in cruise. WIsh it was 30 F here, this AM was 12 F with 2 feet of snow. I need to install cabin heat, but will not get enough hot air from the radiator, the front port exhaust pipe seems to offer the best location for a heat muff. If anyone has done this, I would like to get details. Dave C-FBZI On 2-Jan-10, at 6:56 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > > Gilles & All, > Yes the manuals state the optimized temps but my question is this. > Keeping in mind I have no engineering or mechanical background I > simply would like to know if there are known minimum sustained CHT > temps and if so what have others done to raise them? I have not > flown the Europa in very cold air and now that I have a heater I > was wondering if there are minimums I need to watch out for. For > now I'm only monitoring CHT and Oil temps. > Best Regards, > > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush > > > On Jan 2, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote: > >> grenoble.fr> >> >> JEFF ROBERTS a crit : >>> >>> With all the starting temps being discussed can anyone spread >>> some light on minimums on cruising temps. Cold weather operation >>> in the manual covers carb icing concerns but it doesn't really >>> cover cruising temps. Maybe there isn't a reason to cover it. >>> It's about 30 F outside right now. Other then maybe covering some >>> of the radiator can anyone suggest other possible solutions to >>> keeping the water temps up? Is there a minimum CHT we should >>> watch out for? >>> >> Jeff and all, >> >> The Rotax manuals do state the optimum cylinder head and oil temps. >> One way to ensure proper temperatures is to use a correct cooling >> air duct and cowl flap. Thus when you reduce airflow through the >> radiators, you also reduce cooling drag. >> Other ways include providing too large an air supply to the >> radiators and blanking them up, or using an oil or water >> thermostat. But your airplanes experiences excessive cooling drag >> all the time... >> Some designer also combine poor cooling with excessive drag ;-) >> The basics of radiator aerodynamics can be seen here : >> http://contrails.free.fr/engine_aerodyn_radia_en.php >> >> The Europa cooling can be optimized, but this may imply some >> redesign of the cowling and radiator ducts. >> >> Happy New Year, >> Best regards, >> -- >> Gilles >> http://contrails.free.fr >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aft battery From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi David I calculated CG with battery mounted onfirewall versus aft mounting butting baggage ribs. Even with using number 4 copper Tefzel cable there is a weight savings with an aft battery. I have my PC545 mounted aft of baggage bulkhead and there is even more of a weight savings andusing #4 copper clad aluminium wire as sold by Eric Jones, even more. One advantage for me is i am not using a battery main relay, but instead a switch from Flaming river mounted on the headrest. I also have a selection of circuit breakers and switches just aft of passeneger headrest. an aft battery easily allows this. For simplicity no question battery on firewall, for weight savings aft mounted. Here is stuff in headrest that aft mounting makes possible that moves CG aft as well: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30502 I have my shoulder harness mounted just aft of rear door closeout so passenger headrest need not be very structural: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27386 Switch saves weight and power over relay, details: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30683 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:27 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: cold starting tips 912S if it works... thanks... Jeff B wrote: > > Less ignition, less kickback? Just seems to work for me... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > William Daniell wrote: > >> >> Jeff >> >> why one mag? >> >> Will >> >> Jeff B wrote: >> >>> >>> Richard, >>> >>> Turn the prop through several blades, by hand (24 or so with ignition >>> off), then start on one mag, adding the second as soon as the engine >>> fires. >>> >>> Jeff - Baby Blue >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> > > > . > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:44 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel tow bar Hi All, I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but it has the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is light-weight, collapsible, and reasonably priced. I am in the USA. Troy Maynor Monowheel Classic UK120 Ready for inspection and soon first flight ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:28 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aft battery On 01/03/2010 12:37 PM, David Joyce wrote: > > > Ferg, It seems to me there are real advantages in having the battery > forward (as Bob Harrison + convenient access). Even with a 914, a > Woodcomp SR3000, a 17 amp hr Odyysey, and a very full panel, I found > that a forward battery gave me an ideal C of G position with 3 lbs of > lead fixed to the rudder post in the fin. 3 lbs is probably less than > the wire needed to get decent performance from an aft placed battery. I have an aft placed battery (well, actually two), and the wires needed weigh closer to 1 lbs than 2 lbs (and not even substracting the weight of the wires you would need anyway with a forward placed battery.) "Aft" may sound like it is awfully far away, but in reality, it is just a few feet more than on the footwell, nothing to worry about. I used the copper clad aluminium wires from Eric Jones. The 914 cranks superb, as if the battery is placed next to the engine. I still don't know how my C of G will turn out (weather isn't cooperating; I would have to trailer the ship to a weighing station, but don't want to do this on roads covered with snow and salt), but I suspect that with a 914 with dual alternator, intercooler and SR3000, an aft placed battery has an advantage here. To carry around 3 lbs of non functional lead, after all the painstaking weigh savings during the built, is well, quite a waste to my opinion, and something to be avoided if possible. Frans ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel tow bar From: Robert Borger Troy, Yes, there's a great tow bar made by Bogert AViation. It's called the Bogi-Bar. Raimo recommended it to me. Go to my gallery, Year #7, Q4, 2008 and you should see some pics and there is complete contact information and a 2 year old price. It is light & collapsable. You can decide if the price is reasonable. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jan 3, 2010, at 15:44, Troy Maynor wrote: > Hi All, > > I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but it has the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is light-weight, collapsible, and reasonably priced. I am in the USA. > > Troy Maynor > Monowheel Classic UK120 > Ready for inspection and > soon first flight > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:21 PM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel tow bar Troy - Augustene purchased some nylon straping 1/2 inch wide about 8 foot long.Fro m Lowes I think.-She made about 1 inch loop on each end.. I extened the t ail wheel axel so that I had a place to hang the loops on. Then all you nee d to do is pick up the strap and pull. The plane will follow where -ever you go When done take the strap, fold it up, and put in the baggage compart ment. - I'll take couple pictures and send to you next time I,m at the hanger this week. --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Troy Maynor wrote: From: Troy Maynor Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel tow bar Hi All, - I want to get a tow bar for the tail wheel of my monowheel classic, but it has the XS tailwheel design. Can anyone direct me to one that is light-weig ht, collapsible, and reasonably priced. I am in the USA. - Troy Maynor Monowheel Classic UK120 Ready for inspection and soon first flight =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Looking to Buy Trigrear From: "SteveD" Please respond with the contact info below. Steved Hi there My name is Carlos and I'm searching an used Europa Trigear for our local Aero Club in Viseu, Portugal (LPVZ). http://www.acv.pt.vu We'd like to find a Trigear with a Rotax 912S. I understand it will be easy to operate and cheap to maintain. Maybe one of the best options to keep ourselves flying more often. Could you help me on this? 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