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1. 05:34 AM - Wanted Classic Build manual (SteveD)
2. 07:08 AM - Re: One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements (Robert C Harrison)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Europa)
4. 08:45 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Brian Davies)
5. 09:47 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Rowland Carson)
6. 11:37 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Robert C Harrison)
7. 02:13 PM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (bill)
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Subject: | Wanted Classic Build manual |
I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a third
hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can anybody
help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?
Thanks,
Steved
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083
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Subject: | One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements |
Hi! Ron.
Happy New Year.
Yes I have been saved more rudder repairs than I could "shake a stick at "!
However mostly, but not entirely, on bouncy grass strips on take off as well
as landing as indeed Ivor Phillips the photographer will verify ! Many times
I have found grass on it when landing and it makes an unmistakable grinding
noise when on tarmac or concrete, the threaded end has by now a permanent
chamfer ! I suppose it could be used for ploughing in a cable or even mole
draining field too !!!!
I've often joked to enquirers that it is I my "arrester hook" for carrier
landings !
However originally the aircraft was built as a mono wheel /trike convertible
and I needed quite a large tail balance weight for weight and balance
purposes but it is now mostly used as an attachment point for the electric
winch to pull the a/c into the trailer. Which I use at both ends of a flight
since unless abroad I rig and dismantle for every flight. I don't see the
reason to remove it every time.
Yes it was an unconventional airframe since it was the first Jabiru 3300
six cylinder power unit but I'll not go there any more .it now has a 914
c/w intercooler.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Kit 337.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: 08 January 2010 03:14
Subject: Europa-List: One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring
arrangements
Pretty funny, just noticed one of the least draggy tailwheel and spring
arrangements on a Europa. The funny thing was it was on an "unconventional"
airframe!
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=39069
<http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=39069&g2_imageVie
wsIndex=0> &g2_imageViewsIndex=0
Ron Parigoris
BTW Bob, did you ever scrape the bottom of tailwheel spring on landing?
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Subject: | Re: Wanted Classic Build manual |
Steve I have a combined manual as a .pdf (circa 2003) if that's of any use
- it's 12.5 Mb though so I doubt it will email - could send on disc if of
any use.
Paul
On 8/1/10 13:33, "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a
> third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can
> anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?
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> Thanks,
> Steved
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083
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Subject: | Wanted Classic Build manual |
Hi Steve,
We only have the XS manuals on our website.
Regards
Brian Davies
The Europa Club membership sec.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteveD
Sent: 08 January 2010 13:33
Subject: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual
I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a
third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can
anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?
Thanks,
Steved
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280654#280654
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Subject: | Re: Wanted Classic Build manual |
At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote:
>I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He
>has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have
>the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point
>him your way?
Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available.
AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF.
Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory
(although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version
control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect
that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when
superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the
manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was
lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004.
Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment.
Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and
come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual
tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to
approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy
doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the
LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back,
so maybe that is the best place to start hunting.
My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been
totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward
- Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for
releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club,
simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future
and thus save LAA Engineering some time.
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Wanted Classic Build manual |
Hi! Rowland./SteveD.
Where is the guy who wants the classic manual?
I have a trike manual and should have a mono manual but "cards on the table"
I'm very sensitive about parting with either.
I'm not going to verify having the second one at present since it is in a
place which is likely about minus 5 degrees !
I've been bitten before with supplying photo negatives etc. and even a video
of the re-assembly of the Blackburn Beverley, people just get blank memories
and don't make the ultimate commitment to you and if they make the
commitment they don't live up to it. Not withstanding it is a valuable item
when you are selling your completed bird on.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Sent: 08 January 2010 17:25
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual
At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote:
>I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He
>has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have
>the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point
>him your way?
Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available.
AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF.
Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory
(although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version
control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect
that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when
superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the
manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was
lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004.
Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment.
Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and
come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual
tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to
approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy
doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the
LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back,
so maybe that is the best place to start hunting.
My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been
totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward
- Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for
releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club,
simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future
and thus save LAA Engineering some time.
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Wanted Classic Build manual |
> Any possibility of uploading it to the Europa Forum?
> That would make it easy for anyone needing it to download.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Bill
> A010 Monowheel Classic
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> On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 15:11 +0000, Europa wrote:
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> > Steve I have a combined manual as a .pdf (circa 2003) if that's of any use
> > - it's 12.5 Mb though so I doubt it will email - could send on disc if of
> > any use.
> >
> > Paul
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> > On 8/1/10 13:33, "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net> wrote:
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> > > I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has
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> > > third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can
> > > anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?
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> > > Thanks,
> > > Steved
> > > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083
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