---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/08/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:34 AM - Wanted Classic Build manual (SteveD) 2. 07:08 AM - Re: One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements (Robert C Harrison) 3. 07:12 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Europa) 4. 08:45 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Brian Davies) 5. 09:47 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Rowland Carson) 6. 11:37 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Robert C Harrison) 7. 02:13 PM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (bill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual From: "SteveD" I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way? Thanks, Steved http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280654#280654 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:49 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements Hi! Ron. Happy New Year. Yes I have been saved more rudder repairs than I could "shake a stick at "! However mostly, but not entirely, on bouncy grass strips on take off as well as landing as indeed Ivor Phillips the photographer will verify ! Many times I have found grass on it when landing and it makes an unmistakable grinding noise when on tarmac or concrete, the threaded end has by now a permanent chamfer ! I suppose it could be used for ploughing in a cable or even mole draining field too !!!! I've often joked to enquirers that it is I my "arrester hook" for carrier landings ! However originally the aircraft was built as a mono wheel /trike convertible and I needed quite a large tail balance weight for weight and balance purposes but it is now mostly used as an attachment point for the electric winch to pull the a/c into the trailer. Which I use at both ends of a flight since unless abroad I rig and dismantle for every flight. I don't see the reason to remove it every time. Yes it was an unconventional airframe since it was the first Jabiru 3300 six cylinder power unit but I'll not go there any more .it now has a 914 c/w intercooler. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG Kit 337. _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 08 January 2010 03:14 Subject: Europa-List: One of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements Pretty funny, just noticed one of the least draggy tailwheel and spring arrangements on a Europa. The funny thing was it was on an "unconventional" airframe! http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=39069 &g2_imageViewsIndex=0 Ron Parigoris BTW Bob, did you ever scrape the bottom of tailwheel spring on landing? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual From: Europa Steve I have a combined manual as a .pdf (circa 2003) if that's of any use - it's 12.5 Mb though so I doubt it will email - could send on disc if of any use. Paul On 8/1/10 13:33, "SteveD" wrote: > > I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a > third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can > anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way? > > Thanks, > Steved > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280654#280654 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:21 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Hi Steve, We only have the XS manuals on our website. Regards Brian Davies The Europa Club membership sec. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteveD Sent: 08 January 2010 13:33 Subject: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way? Thanks, Steved http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280654#280654 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:00 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote: >I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He >has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have >the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point >him your way? Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available. AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF. Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory (although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004. Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment. Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back, so maybe that is the best place to start hunting. My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward - Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club, simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future and thus save LAA Engineering some time. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:43 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Hi! Rowland./SteveD. Where is the guy who wants the classic manual? I have a trike manual and should have a mono manual but "cards on the table" I'm very sensitive about parting with either. I'm not going to verify having the second one at present since it is in a place which is likely about minus 5 degrees ! I've been bitten before with supplying photo negatives etc. and even a video of the re-assembly of the Blackburn Beverley, people just get blank memories and don't make the ultimate commitment to you and if they make the commitment they don't live up to it. Not withstanding it is a valuable item when you are selling your completed bird on. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 08 January 2010 17:25 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote: >I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He >has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have >the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point >him your way? Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available. AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF. Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory (although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004. Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment. Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back, so maybe that is the best place to start hunting. My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward - Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club, simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future and thus save LAA Engineering some time. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual From: bill > Any possibility of uploading it to the Europa Forum? > That would make it easy for anyone needing it to download. > > Just a thought. > > Bill > A010 Monowheel Classic > > > On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 15:11 +0000, Europa wrote: > > > > Steve I have a combined manual as a .pdf (circa 2003) if that's of any use > > - it's 12.5 Mb though so I doubt it will email - could send on disc if of > > any use. > > > > Paul > > > > > > On 8/1/10 13:33, "SteveD" wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a > > > third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can > > > anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steved > > > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280654#280654 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.