---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/09/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:47 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (JR Gowing) 2. 10:57 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (G-IANI) 3. 11:47 AM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Pete Lawless) 4. 04:36 PM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Graham Singleton) 5. 04:39 PM - Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (SteveD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:33 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual good idea Rowland. JR Gowing Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 4:25 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual > > At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote: > >>I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He >>has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have >>the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point >>him your way? > > Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available. > AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF. > > Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory > (although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version > control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect > that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when > superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the > manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was > lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004. > Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment. > Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and > come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual > tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to > approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy > doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the > LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back, > so maybe that is the best place to start hunting. > > My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been > totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward > - Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for > releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club, > simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future > and thus save LAA Engineering some time. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:35:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:06 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Rowland As you say, as far as I know the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF. My knowledge does not go back that far but from the XS on I believe it was mostly a Word document. I will be happy to approach LAA to see if they have a copy which we could borrow and turn into a PDF. This would be an image PDF so it will be quite large. I am happy to do the conversion but it will take a week or so. Do any of our members have a copy we could borrow. I seem to remember a number of committee members have some very early kit numbers. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:30 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Ian I have a classic manual dated January 1996. You are welcome to borrow it. It is in an A4 ring binder - if you had a double sided scanner it would make life easy. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 09 January 2010 18:29 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Rowland As you say, as far as I know the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF. My knowledge does not go back that far but from the XS on I believe it was mostly a Word document. I will be happy to approach LAA to see if they have a copy which we could borrow and turn into a PDF. This would be an image PDF so it will be quite large. I am happy to do the conversion but it will take a week or so. Do any of our members have a copy we could borrow. I seem to remember a number of committee members have some very early kit numbers. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:48 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wanted Classic Build manual Ian I have found a copy which I could bring to the club dinner next week Graham might need to rattle my cage the day before so I don't forget On 09/01/2010 18:29, G-IANI wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" > > Rowland > > As you say, as far as I know the Classic manual was never seen in the wild > as a PDF. My knowledge does not go back that far but from the XS on I > believe it was mostly a Word document. > > I will be happy to approach LAA to see if they have a copy which we could > borrow and turn into a PDF. This would be an image PDF so it will be quite > large. I am happy to do the conversion but it will take a week or so. > > Do any of our members have a copy we could borrow. I seem to remember a > number of committee members have some very early kit numbers. > > Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wanted Classic Build manual From: "SteveD" Thanks everybody, I pointed Phil in the Europa Club direction. I have the Combined Builders Manual on PDF. I had it posted on EuropaOwners for awhile but removed it when Europa posted it on their site. http://www.europa-aircraft.com/ Click Builder Assistance on the left Then click the Manuals tab. 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