---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/10/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Wanted Classic Build manual (Rowland Carson) 2. 10:07 AM - Foreign owner of British registered Europa (skanderup) 3. 10:49 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (Graham Singleton) 4. 10:53 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (Frans Veldman) 5. 11:32 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (zwakie) 6. 11:55 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (craig bastin) 7. 12:02 PM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (skanderup) 8. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (Graham Singleton) 9. 01:51 PM - Flap cross =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tube=2E=2E=2EI=B4m_not_going_mad?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=28I_think=29? (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:19 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wanted Classic Build manual At 2010-01-09 16:37 -0800 SteveD wrote: >I have the Combined Builders Manual on PDF Steve - my impression was that the combined manual only came out at the time of the XS and the "combined" part meant it covered both monowheel & trigear, rather than Classic & XS. Of course, I could be wrong (it happened once before!). regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Foreign owner of British registered Europa From: "skanderup" Hi All, I would like to hear if anyone could guide me on the rules regarding foreign ownership of an Europa which stays on British registration. I have seen some good offers on British registered Europas for sale, however the Danish regulations does not permit importation of an aircraft build according to the experimental aircraft regulations. I am therefore exploring the option of taking the plane to Denmark but keeping it on British registration. I am looking for information on two issues in this regard: 1) Official registration requirements from the National authority 2) Requirements for maintenance and service to uphold certificates (LAA requirements etc). I look forward to the responce. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280913#280913 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:49 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Foreign owner of British registered Europa You will have difficulty with the LAA. They might allow a short term situation but unlikely permanent. Inspections would probably need to be done in UK. If permit expires it would be illegal to test fly outside UK Graham On 10/01/2010 18:04, skanderup wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "skanderup" > > Hi All, > > I would like to hear if anyone could guide me on the rules regarding foreign ownership of an Europa which stays on British registration. > > I have seen some good offers on British registered Europas for sale, however the Danish regulations does not permit importation of an aircraft build according to the experimental aircraft regulations. I am therefore exploring the option of taking the plane to Denmark but keeping it on British registration. > > I am looking for information on two issues in this regard: > > 1) Official registration requirements from the National authority > 2) Requirements for maintenance and service to uphold certificates (LAA requirements etc). > > I look forward to the responce. > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:50 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Foreign owner of British registered Europa On 01/10/2010 07:04 PM, skanderup wrote: > I would like to hear if anyone could guide me on the rules regarding > foreign ownership of an Europa which stays on British registration. > > I have seen some good offers on British registered Europas for sale, > however the Danish regulations does not permit importation of an > aircraft build according to the experimental aircraft regulations. I > am therefore exploring the option of taking the plane to Denmark but > keeping it on British registration. The Brits don't care about it. But it is questionable whether the Danes will allow you, citizen of Denmark, to own a foreign registered experimental aircraft. Frans ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa From: "zwakie" Graham, are you sure about the LAA not being happy with that? The LAA did not make any issue or gave me any warning about that when I bought mine a little over a year ago. You are right about test-flying outside of the UK once the permit has expired: once expired, you have to test-fly within the UK. Inspections can be done outside the UK though, the only requirement for that is you have an LAA-inspector come over and do the inspection and sign of the paperwork. >From practicality, keeping it on the UK register does pose some issues: it either will be quite expensive (having to pay for travel/accomodation for having an LAA-inspector fly over) or time-consuming (for having to fly to/from the UK to perform the inspection). That was my main reason for moving mine to the Dutch register. Cheers Marcel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280924#280924 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:17 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Foreign owner of British registered Europa Perhaps you could order a new engine mount from the factory and have the "WORLDS FASTEST BUILD TIME" if you get my meaning good luck craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 4:50 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Foreign owner of British registered Europa On 01/10/2010 07:04 PM, skanderup wrote: > I would like to hear if anyone could guide me on the rules regarding > foreign ownership of an Europa which stays on British registration. > > I have seen some good offers on British registered Europas for sale, > however the Danish regulations does not permit importation of an > aircraft build according to the experimental aircraft regulations. I > am therefore exploring the option of taking the plane to Denmark but > keeping it on British registration. The Brits don't care about it. But it is questionable whether the Danes will allow you, citizen of Denmark, to own a foreign registered experimental aircraft. Frans Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:35:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa From: "skanderup" Thanks for your replies until now, but I think I did not specify clearly that it was an already completed aircraft I was looking at which had been flying several hundred hours on British registration before being put up for sale. I hope someone can help me out. Thanks, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280929#280929 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:55 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa Hi Marcel No, I'm not sure. I used to inspect 2 Europas in Germany but PFA didn't like it and said "never again" at the time but goal posts do have a habit of moving Graham On 10/01/2010 19:29, zwakie wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "zwakie" > > Graham, are you sure about the LAA not being happy with that? The LAA did not make any issue or gave me any warning about that when I bought mine a little over a year ago. > > You are right about test-flying outside of the UK once the permit has expired: once expired, you have to test-fly within the UK. > > Inspections can be done outside the UK though, the only requirement for that is you have an LAA-inspector come over and do the inspection and sign of the paperwork. > > > From practicality, keeping it on the UK register does pose some issues: it either will be quite expensive (having to pay for travel/accomodation for having an LAA-inspector fly over) or time-consuming (for having to fly to/from the UK to perform the inspection). That was my main reason for moving mine to the Dutch register. > > Cheers > Marcel > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:33 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Flap cross =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tube=2E=2E=2EI=B4m_not_going_mad?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=28I_think=29? Well thanks for all your suggestions on the flap cross tube. Fortunately I am not going mad - at least so it appears...the hard points are different distances from the center line. the Left HP is 21.5 cm from the CL and the right one is 24cm from the CL. Everything else is lined up. * The bottom of the bend in the flap tube touches the fuselage on the CL . * tube is centered between the flaps * the bases of the two flap pins where they screw unto the close out are equidistant from the CL As things are, * the left slot would be cut only 1/8 from the edge of the left hard point and * the right slot would be cut 3/4 in from the right hand edge putting the inner 3/16 holes of the hinge bracket (the ones nearest the left hand edge of the right hand hard point only 3/8 from the edge of the hard print. Is this normal? One solution would be to reposition the flap tube brackets so that they line up with the hard points. Any other ideas? Someone mentioned that some kits were made with this fault. Any idea of what the factory solution was? thanks in advance Will ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.