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Tue 01/12/10


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 04:00 AM - george haines are you there (Rowland Carson)
     2. 04:51 AM - Re: george haines are you there (Marcel Zwakenberg)
     3. 05:09 AM - SV: george haines are you there (Sidsel og Svein Johnsen)
     4. 05:41 AM - Re: george haines are you there (Robert C Harrison)
     5. 05:59 AM - Re: george haines are you there (Marcel Zwakenberg)
     6. 08:14 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/11/10 (Karel Vranken)
     7. 10:20 AM - LinkedIn Europa Owners (zwakie)
     8. 11:36 AM - Glider wings (Matthew Carpenter)
     9. 11:42 AM - Re: SV: george haines are you there (Rowland Carson)
    10. 11:42 AM - regulation [was: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/11/10] (Rowland Carson)
    11. 05:29 PM - Re: Glider wings (Ralph K. Hallett III)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:00:41 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: george haines are you there
    I've had a facebook account for some time (mainly to keep in touch with younger family members) but apart from collecting a number of friends am still not sure what I should be doing with it. I prefer the picasa picture-sharing site and e-mail suits me fine for communication. Anyway, I received a facebook message from George Haines inviting me to view his pictures. Unfortunately the reply-to address was corrupt and I can't find George among the many "George Haines" on facebook. George, if you're here on this forum, please get in touch! Is anyone else in the Europa community using facebook or picasa? regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowil@clara.net> http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 04:51:06 AM PST US
    Subject: george haines are you there
    From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" <mz@cariama.nl>
    I am not using facebook, but LinkedIn. This gave me the idea to setup a new group exclusively for Europa-owners on LinkedIn. This provides all Europaphiles the option to extend their personal and business networks by means of the fantastic Europa community worldwide. You are all invited to participate! Go to http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2652328 to join. When joining, please state your forum nickname (or full name) for verification. If you have no LinkedIn account yet, please consider creating one. Marcel


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    Time: 05:09:29 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel og Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: george haines are you there
    Dear Europaphiles, Happy new year! I have no experience with any of these social networks or websites, and I have no intention of joining. This reflects no negative opinion (and is not intended to start a discussion on the subject on this forum!) I only ask all to continue posting technical and operational issues on this forum, and not shift to any other. Thanks! Svein LN-SKJ -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Marcel Zwakenberg Sendt: 12. januar 2010 13:49 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: RE: Europa-List: george haines are you there I am not using facebook, but LinkedIn. This gave me the idea to setup a new group exclusively for Europa-owners on LinkedIn. This provides all Europaphiles the option to extend their personal and business networks by means of the fantastic Europa community worldwide. You are all invited to participate! Go to http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2652328 to join. When joining, please state your forum nickname (or full name) for verification. If you have no LinkedIn account yet, please consider creating one. Marcel


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    Time: 05:41:29 AM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: george haines are you there
    I'll second that Svein. Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel og Svein Johnsen Sent: 12 January 2010 13:08 Subject: SV: Europa-List: george haines are you there <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> Dear Europaphiles, Happy new year! I have no experience with any of these social networks or websites, and I have no intention of joining. This reflects no negative opinion (and is not intended to start a discussion on the subject on this forum!) I only ask all to continue posting technical and operational issues on this forum, and not shift to any other. Thanks! Svein LN-SKJ -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Marcel Zwakenberg Sendt: 12. januar 2010 13:49 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: RE: Europa-List: george haines are you there I am not using facebook, but LinkedIn. This gave me the idea to setup a new group exclusively for Europa-owners on LinkedIn. This provides all Europaphiles the option to extend their personal and business networks by means of the fantastic Europa community worldwide. You are all invited to participate! Go to http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2652328 to join. When joining, please state your forum nickname (or full name) for verification. If you have no LinkedIn account yet, please consider creating one. Marcel


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    Time: 05:59:25 AM PST US
    Subject: george haines are you there
    From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Please don't consider the LinkedIn Europa Owners group as a replacement for the forum. Just consider it as a means to extend your personal or business network outside the Europa family through the Europa owners group. To give an example of how I see this work: I could for instance introduce you to my business contacts if those contacts could be worthwhile for your business. Your business could then benefit because you know me, and I handle the introduction for you.


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    Time: 08:14:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/11/10
    From: Karel Vranken <karelvranken9@gmail.com>
    Dear Europaphiles, Happy landings for 2010. When my wife takes her broom and flies at 2 feet above ground on public roads, she doen't need an airworthiness certificate nor a license here in Belgium. But when she will practice her sports by night over private properties, then that may pose certain problems.(don't archive) F-PKRL is built and owned in Belgium. You have to prove that the VAT is payed on the materials. The reason for me was quite simple: in Belgium they asked at that moment 2500 Euro for registration only. Here you may fly foreign registrated airplanes at certain conditions: airworthiness certificate and insurance for accepted types of aircraft (list with Europa). Last year (2009 03 16) a special law was promulgated in Belgium for foreign registrated aircrafts NOT having a valid airworthiness certificate (but allowed to fly in their homeland) to fly in Belgium provided they do a written request to the autorities. Under certain conditions (eg they can't take more than 6 passengers) and other administrative restrictions it is possible to fly even permanently. This only to demonstrate that complications may occur once you are passing the national boundary. Best regards, Karel Vranken. 2010/1/12 Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com> > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-01-11&Archive=Europa > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-01-11&Archive=Europa > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 01/11/10: 4 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:37 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (zwakie) > 2. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > (Frans Veldman) > 3. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > (Marcel Zwakenberg) > 4. 11:26 AM - Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa (Roland) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:37:44 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl> > > > > that it was an already completed aircraft I was looking at which had been > flying > several hundred hours on British registration > > You are doing exactly the same that I did about a year ago (my plane was > completed > and flying when I bought it), this is what I experienced : > > I did not have to do with Dutch authorities, except that I was told by > Dutch CAA > to get approval to fly my airplane in Holland (although that official point > of view was open for debate since nobody was able to point me to the Law > that > said so). > > Please do realize that each country has different rules on flying > foreign-registered aircraft within their airspace; check the "Flying From UK > into Europe" document (http://www.europaclub.org.uk > For Pilots > Going > Foreign > Permission to fly in European Countries) for details. Denmark is > listed as not requiring special permission, that would make things easy for > you. > > I'm not sure what you mean with "importation" in your original question. > > If you meant that you cannot transfer completed foreign homebuilts to the > Danish > register, how about leaving it on the foreign register and operate it from > Denmark? > (please read back my first reply for the most significant implications) > > This automatically leads to other possible interpretation of aforesaid > "importation": > If you mean that Danish Laws do not allow you to base and operate a foreign > registered > homebuilt (e.g. without doing a transfer to Danish register), I would > recommend you to have Danish authorities show you the exact Article of the > Law > that tells you that you can't do that. I would be highly surprised if the > Law > would prevent you from doing so because to me that seems to be > contradicting > with several EC Laws; if this indeed is the case, buying a completed > foreign homebuilt > would not be an option to you. > > Regarding maintenance a.s.o. you will have to comply with UK Laws. All > information on these to be found on www.caa.co.uk. > > Because UK CAA has delegated a lot of things regarding Class-A > Permit-Aircraft to the LAA, you will be dealing with the LAA ( > http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/) quite a bit, most importantly > for annual inspections and modifications approvals. Please realize that the > LAA is a great resource for knowlegde and skills too (as is the Europa Club, > membership of both are highly recommended when owning a Europa)! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280997#280997 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:35:07 AM PST US > From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > > > On 01/11/2010 01:36 PM, zwakie wrote: > > > This automatically leads to other possible interpretation of > > aforesaid "importation": If you mean that Danish Laws do not allow > > you to base and operate a foreign registered homebuilt (e.g. without > > doing a transfer to Danish register), I would recommend you to have > > Danish authorities show you the exact Article of the Law that tells > > you that you can't do that. I would be highly surprised if the Law > > would prevent you from doing so because to me that seems to be > > contradicting with several EC Laws; if this indeed is the case, > > buying a completed foreign homebuilt would not be an option to you. > > It could be the case though, as the definition of "homebuilt" aircraft > and associated laws differ from one country to the other. > If it would be possible for UK-builders to register their airplane in > the Netherlands, and still operate it in the UK, this would be an easy > way to get approval for even the wildest mods to the airplanes. ;-) Why > would anyone in their right mind register an airplane in a country with > very limiting restrictions, like the UK, if there is actually no law > telling you to do so? > > IS it actually possible to register your airplane anywhere, regardless > of citizenship and intended country of operation, just to circumvent > some local rules? > > Now my airplane with quite some mods has gone through the Dutch > registration process, I could transfer it to British registration, so I > don't have to invest in a mode-S transponder and 406 MHz ELT. That would > give the best of both countries. All the mods approved, no useless > avionics. :-D :-D :-D > > (Oh, and don't mis-interpret my remark about restrictions regarding > mods. Of course I consider it worthwile to have mods double checked. But > we all know that there are quite some innocent mods, applied by many > others already, where the requirement to get individual approval is > quite a nuisance. At least it seems so.) > > Frans > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:24:36 AM PST US > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" <mz@cariama.nl> > > > > It could be the case though, as the definition of "homebuilt" aircraft > > and associated laws differ from one country to the other. > > That's exactly why I suggested to do a thorough investigation on what > Law prescribes, not only in Denmark but also for other countries in > Europe. > > > If it would be possible for UK-builders to register their airplane in > > the Netherlands, and still operate it in the UK, > > It may sound weird, but it seems possible to do just that: I know of at > least one person from Germany that has an approved Dutch C/S reservation > for his project. > > I agree with you on the potentials for 'regulation-circum-navigation'! > IMHO, it clearly shows a lack of good airmanship when safety is > sacrificed over regulations... > > Marcel > > > PS > I guess by now you're ready for PH-DIY's first flight? (if only the snow > would disappear) > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:26:13 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Foreign owner of British registered Europa > From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de> > > > The information I got from the German aviation authority (LBA) is, that > it's legal > to operate an experimental in Germany on a foreign register as long as it's > an "ECAC-country" (to which Great Britain belongs). In my recall the same > applies > to the scandinavian and other ECAC-countries between each other reciprocal. > > But I'm quite sure, that the annual inspection has to be done in England. > > In due time I will also search on the british market for a used Trigear. > > Good luck! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281065#281065 > >


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    Time: 10:20:07 AM PST US
    Subject: LinkedIn Europa Owners
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Hmm, somehow the link that I posted got screwed up. So here I'm posting again with the correct link (I hope [Wink] ): I have created a Europa Owners group on LinkedIn, accessible for Europa owners/builders only (requests to join the group will have to include the name/nickname used on this forum): http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2652328 Please note: - this LinkedIn group is by no means a replacement for the forum! - the sole purpose is to enable sharing business/personal contacts with other Europa Owners, so we all can benefit from each others network. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281182#281182


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    Time: 11:36:37 AM PST US
    From: "Matthew Carpenter" <europaxs@gmail.com>
    Subject: Glider wings
    I am looking for a pair of glider wings. Preferable that they are built and working, but would like to see what is out there in the way of kits or partial done kit. Thanks, Matt Carpenter N138WJ A138 Amarillo, Texas


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    Time: 11:42:19 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: Re: george haines are you there
    At 2010-01-12 14:08 +0100 Sidsel og Svein Johnsen wrote: >I only ask all to continue posting technical and operational issues on this >forum, and not shift to any other Svein - thanks for your comment. I definitely did not intend [with my posting about facebook] to encourage a fragmentation of the Europa community, especially in respect of technical information - it was really idle curiosity. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowil@clara.net> http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 11:42:20 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: regulation [was: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/11/10]
    At 2010-01-12 17:12 +0100 Karel Vranken wrote: >When my wife takes her broom and flies at 2 feet above ground Karel - what a delightful thought for this gloomy season! As a Terry Prachett fan, I suddenly had a picture of Michelle bump-starting her broomstick like Granny Weatherwax. Hope she has a better grip on corners in weather like this than the lunatic who went right through the yew hedge into the park a few yards from my house. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowil@clara.net> http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 05:29:45 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Glider wings
    Matthew, I have a pair of glider wings which are closed up and on a/c. No control surfaces are mounted yet. I'm going to be parting out MG so if interested please contact me at n100rh@sbcglobal.net Ralph Matthew Carpenter wrote: > > I am looking for a pair of glider wings. > > Preferable that they are built and working, but would like to see what is > out there in the way of kits or partial done kit. > > Thanks, > > Matt Carpenter > N138WJ > A138 > > Amarillo, Texas > > >




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