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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Cold starting 912S (JR Gowing)
2. 02:25 AM - Re: Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter (Rowland Carson)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Cold starting 912S (Bob Borger)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Shoot bolts (flyingphil2)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter (Jan de Jong)
6. 07:35 AM - Warpdrive Prop ()
7. 09:42 AM - Re: Cold starting 912S (Richard Iddon)
8. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter (Rowland Carson)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter (Jan de Jong)
10. 02:38 PM - Sticky Stuff Resin Pump for sale UK (goff)
11. 04:19 PM - Re: Cold starting 912S (JR Gowing)
12. 05:34 PM - Re: Cold starting 912S (JR Gowing)
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| Subject: | Re: Cold starting 912S |
Richard
You can actually hear the oil gurgle!
Or do you see pressure come up on the oil pressure gauge=3F
JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz missing prop and instrument panel
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From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
As I was the instigator of the cold starting thread, I am pleased to repo
rt that I seem to have solved the problem following suggestions made by sev
eral contributors. I have fitted a start button in addition to the key swi
tch so that I can now start on one mag. I also replaced my six year old gel
battery, even though it was still showing 12.5 volts, with a shiny new Ody
ssey. Now I turn the prop through a number of blades until the oil gurgles
then start on one mag. Engine starts instantly with no kick back.
Thanks for all the feed back.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter |
At 2010-01-19 03:03 +0100 Frans Veldman wrote:
>On 01/18/2010 09:25 PM, Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> > The diagram calls out a 30A slo-blo fuse to protect the 12AWG wire
>> leaving the C, R, +B terminals. However, there is NO protection for the
>> 20AWG wire leaving the same spot and going through the firewall to the
>> alternator warning lamp.
>
>No, because you are supposed to connect it behind the fuse. The 12AWG
>wire is connected to the C terminal, so instead of connecting the lamp
>to the C terminal directly, you could as well use the other end of the
>12AWG wire. 12 Volts is 12 Volts after all. ;-) In fact, any 12 V line
>would serve the same purpose.
>You should indeed not connect any unfused wire to the C,R or B terminals
Frans - I agree with your last sentence completely, but here is what
the diagram I've got shows:
I don't usually paste graphics into my e-mails so am not sure if this
will get through to the list unmangled.
If the graphic is not visible in this e-mail, you can see a copy of it at:
http://home.clara.net/rowil/grafix/alt_warn.gif
You can see that the wire to the starter warning light does have a
fuse, so why not the wire to the alterntor warning light?
I think Mike Gregory was involved in the last modification of the
diagram in the manual. Mike, if you're listening, have you any
comments?
I postulated 2 scenarios for what happens at the L terminal of the
regulator when all is well (open-circuit or +12V) and am still not
sure which is correct. Either will of course serve to supply the
engine timer through the warning light, but if L is held at +12V, I
feel the lead from it should also be fused.
Maybe someone who's taken apart one these regulators might know what
potentials should appear at the L terminal.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Cold starting 912S |
Bob,
The gurgle is from "burping" the engine. You are supposed to ensure the "mags"
are off, take the top off the oil reservoir and turn the engine through by hand
until you hear the distinct gurgle in the oil reservoir. This indicates that
all the oil has been blown out of the crankcase and into the oil reservoir.
Now you can properly check the oil level. On my Europa, there can be half a
quart (half a liter) of oil in the crankcase. If you were to check the oil level
without "burping" the engine, you may see the oil level as low when it really
isn't. You add a quart (liter) of oil and now you are half a quart (liter)
over-filled. Which after your flight will now reside across the bottom of
your aircraft.
Bob Borger
Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S prop
On Wednesday, January 20, 2010, at 03:39AM, "JR Gowing" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
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Hi,
Thanks for all the replies. Bud - I'm going to email you.
Cheers,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter |
Hi Rowland,
In 2008 I found a German language forum discussion concerning the Ducati
regulator. Writer "Arrow" seemed to know what he was talking about.
I reported -
http://www.sarangan.org/www/mhonarc/mharc/html//europa-list/2008-08/msg00133.html.
The 2008 entries have been removed (Rotax did not like them probably)
but I saved the page from cache where you can still find it too probably:
google using "piloten arrow ducati regler".
If not I will attach (34 files, 425 kb).
In any case there is a circuit diagram and it shows L as shorted to
ground via FET when C gets above some voltage, otherwise floating.
Jan de Jong
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Does anyone have a set of Warpdrive blades they wish to dispose of,
preferably tapered to suit a 912UL. Must be as new.
Cheers
Jim
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| Subject: | Cold starting 912S |
Yes, I take the top off the oil reservoir and can hear the gurgle OK.
Richard Iddon
Oakfield
Sarscow Lane
Leyland
PR26 8LS
phone 01772 600582
Mobile 07836 531346
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JR Gowing
Sent: 20 January 2010 09:39
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
Richard
You can actually hear the oil gurgle!
Or do you see pressure come up on the oil pressure gauge?
JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz missing prop and instrument panel
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From: Richard Iddon <mailto:riddon@sent.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
As I was the instigator of the cold starting thread, I am pleased to
report
that I seem to have solved the problem following suggestions made by
several
contributors. I have fitted a start button in addition to the key
switch so
that I can now start on one mag. I also replaced my six year old gel
battery, even though it was still showing 12.5 volts, with a shiny new
Odyssey. Now I turn the prop through a number of blades until the oil
gurgles then start on one mag. Engine starts instantly with no kick
back.
Thanks for all the feed back.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter |
At 2010-01-20 15:14 +0100 Jan de Jong wrote:
>there is a circuit diagram and it shows L as shorted to ground via
>FET when C gets above some voltage, otherwise floating
Jan - thanks for that, very useful. It's what I would have expected,
but sometimes these things are done in a different way to my
imaginings!
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Pressure Switch for engine hourmeter |
Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> At 2010-01-20 15:14 +0100 Jan de Jong wrote:
>
>> there is a circuit diagram and it shows L as shorted to ground via
>> FET when C gets above some voltage, otherwise floating
>
> Jan - thanks for that, very useful. It's what I would have expected,
> but sometimes these things are done in a different way to my imaginings!
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
I should have said, actually: when average input voltage (G's) gets
above some level, which requires C powered (which by itself only
provides a bias current).
Jan
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| Subject: | Re: Cold starting 912S |
Richard
(Sheepishly) I was asleep and forgot you were pulling it over by hand!
Thank you for the polite reply!
JR
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:36 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
Yes, I take the top off the oil reservoir and can hear the gurgle OK.
Richard Iddon
Oakfield
Sarscow Lane
Leyland
PR26 8LS
phone 01772 600582
Mobile 07836 531346
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JR Gowing
Sent: 20 January 2010 09:39
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
Richard
You can actually hear the oil gurgle!
Or do you see pressure come up on the oil pressure gauge?
JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz missing prop and instrument panel
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
As I was the instigator of the cold starting thread, I am pleased to
report that I seem to have solved the problem following suggestions made
by several contributors. I have fitted a start button in addition to
the key switch so that I can now start on one mag. I also replaced my
six year old gel battery, even though it was still showing 12.5 volts,
with a shiny new Odyssey. Now I turn the prop through a number of
blades until the oil gurgles then start on one mag. Engine starts
instantly with no kick back.
Thanks for all the feed back.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Cold starting 912S |
Thank you too, Bob!
I will try to be wider awake in future
JR
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From: Bob Borger
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
Bob,
The gurgle is from "burping" the engine. You are supposed to ensure the
"mags" are off, take the top off the oil reservoir and turn the engine
through by hand until you hear the distinct gurgle in the oil reservoir.
This indicates that all the oil has been blown out of the crankcase and
into the oil reservoir. Now you can properly check the oil level. On
my Europa, there can be half a quart (half a liter) of oil in the
crankcase. If you were to check the oil level without "burping" the
engine, you may see the oil level as low when it really isn't. You add
a quart (liter) of oil and now you are half a quart (liter) over-filled.
Which after your flight will now reside across the bottom of your
aircraft.
Bob Borger
Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S prop
On Wednesday, January 20, 2010, at 03:39AM, "JR Gowing"
<jrgowing@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Richard
You can actually hear the oil gurgle!
Or do you see pressure come up on the oil pressure gauge?
JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz missing prop and instrument panel
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cold starting 912S
As I was the instigator of the cold starting thread, I am pleased to
report that I seem to have solved the problem following suggestions made
by several contributors. I have fitted a start button in addition to
the key switch so that I can now start on one mag. I also replaced my
six year old gel battery, even though it was still showing 12.5 volts,
with a shiny new Odyssey. Now I turn the prop through a number of
blades until the oil gurgles then start on one mag. Engine starts
instantly with no kick back.
Thanks for all the feed back.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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