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1. 01:45 AM - Re: Material for Instrument Panel (Tim Houlihan)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: Material for Instrument Panel (flying farmer)
3. 04:52 AM - Brake Fluid Choice (Steade)
4. 06:52 AM - AW: Material for Instrument Panel (uvtreith)
5. 09:08 AM - Finger Brakes (Steade)
6. 09:56 AM - Re: Brake Fluid Choice (Jeff B)
7. 10:45 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Richard Iddon)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
9. 11:31 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (JEFF ROBERTS)
10. 11:50 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland)
11. 11:54 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland)
12. 12:09 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland)
13. 05:45 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (craig bastin)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (duanefamly@aol.com)
15. 09:29 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland)
16. 10:23 PM - Anyone install an easy to use for pilot drink holder? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
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| Subject: | Re: Material for Instrument Panel |
Steade wrote:
> I'm just about ready to order the material for the sub panels to carry
> the instruments in the panel molding. Any guidance on material
> specification and thickness would be helpful
Don't forget that pre shaped panels are available on the Europa factory
web site.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Material for Instrument Panel |
What about Carbon fiber sheeting. You will have a ready made finish if you like
the carbon fiber look.
Richard Wheelwright
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283328#283328
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| Subject: | Brake Fluid Choice |
Hi all
A bit more help needed
My trigear (under construction) is fitted with the original factory
finger brake conversion.
An earlier post suggested these were from Jamer Performance and fitted
with Buna N seals.
The earlier post suggested that Dot 3,5,or 8 specification would be OK
but the present Jamer site only lists DOT 3 or 4.
The other brake parts (calipers and parking brake valve) seem to be from
Matco who only recommend Mil-H-5606 although DOT 5 has been suggested
elsewhere.
So I am a bit confused and any guidance would be appreciated.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Material for Instrument Panel |
Dave,
Please see attached the instrument panels supplied by Europa Aircraft.
Best Regards,
Bruno Reith
Europa Aircraft Germany
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Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Steade
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Januar 2010 00:09
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Europa-List: Material for Instrument Panel
I'm just about ready to order the material for the sub panels to carry the
instruments in the panel molding. Any guidance on material specification and
thickness would be helpful
Regards
David
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Hi
I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has
come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability
for the Europa particularly if silicone based brake fluid has to be
used.
It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe
brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.
Any information on this subject would be helpful.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Fluid Choice |
Baby Blue has had silicon in her veins for almost 5 years, without any
problems...
Jeff
Steade wrote:
> Hi all
>
> A bit more help needed
>
> My trigear (under construction) is fitted with the original factory
> finger brake conversion.
> An earlier post suggested these were from Jamer Performance and fitted
> with Buna N seals.
>
> The earlier post suggested that Dot 3,5,or 8 specification would be OK
> but the present Jamer site only lists DOT 3 or 4.
>
> The other brake parts (calipers and parking brake valve) seem to be from
> Matco who only recommend Mil-H-5606 although DOT 5 has been suggested
> elsewhere.
>
> So I am a bit confused and any guidance would be appreciated.
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Steade
>
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding air,
sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and replaced them with
a pair of Matco ones from the factory. I used the standard red brake fluid
in them and haven't had any problems since. Would not recommend using the
Jaymar based on my experience.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade
Sent: 25 January 2010 16:22
Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes
Hi
I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come
up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the
Europa particularly if silicone based brake fluid has to be used.
It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake
cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.
Any information on this subject would be helpful.
Regards
David Steade
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
07:36:00
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
David-
I am in the build stage yet so have not yet selected a fluid.=C2- I hope
you disassembled and cleaned the inside of the cylinders and the hole that
goes through the middle.=C2- I disasssembled mine and found all sorts of
crap in it before cleaning.=C2- There is an allen screw in each side.=C2
- Remove them and pass a wire through it.=C2- You should be able to see
from one side to the other.=C2-
Jim Puglise A-283
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steade" <steade@btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:21:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes
Hi
I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come
up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the Eu
ropa particularly if silicone based brake fluid=C2-has to be used.
It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake
cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.
Any information on this subject would be helpful.
Regards
David Steade
==
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
Guy's,
Unless you want to spend extra money I would do as others have done.
Take the Jaymar cylinders completely apart. Get some carb or choke
cleaner and a small soft round brush and clean all the crap out of
them, put them back together and they'll work fine. It seems there was
a bad batch of these. There was a thread on this a few years back, but
as soon as I cleaned mine they have been working perfectly ever since.
I used a matco emergency brake also with the dot 5 and it works great.
The small bleeder screws leaked a bit letting air in the system but a
little gasket seal on the threads fixed that. Working great for 3
years now.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Richard Iddon wrote:
> I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding
> air, sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and
> replaced them with a pair of Matco ones from the factory. I used
> the standard red brake fluid in them and haven=92t had any problems
> since. Would not recommend using the Jaymar based on my experience.
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade
> Sent: 25 January 2010 16:22
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes
>
> Hi
>
> I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what
> has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its
> suitability for the Europaparticularly if silicone based brake fluid
> has to be used.
>
> It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe
> brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid.
>
> Any information on this subject would be helpful.
>
>
> Regards
>
> David Steade
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 07:36:00
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
David Hi!
I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built.
I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed
screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers
are long enough, probably about 9=B2 but just as important is to ensure knob
or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a
requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake
fluids. I used the =8Cred=B9 Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers.
Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action
difficult) so were extended by about 4=B2.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
David Hi!
I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built.
I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed
screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers
are long enough, probably about 9=B2 but just as important is to ensure knob
or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a
requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake
fluids. I used the =8Cred=B9 Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers.
Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action
difficult) so were extended by about 4=B2.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
Sorry to everyone for receiving an earlier message 3 times!
The List rejected twice so I resent twice....Doh!
Again Sorry!
Gerry
Do not archive
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Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakesgerry,
is that a parking brake valve you have there, mounted next to the
cylinders, if so would you mind sharing the source,
Like you i used the matco cylinders and the original mounts inverted and
mounted in the tunnel. I then added another bracket
to either side to take the throttle and IFA levers.
craig
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
Craig,
Check out AC Spruce.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/matcoPBVALVE.php
This has been used by many.
Mike Duane
Redding, CA
XS Conventional Gear
Jab3300
-----Original Message-----
From: craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:48 pm
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brakes
gerry,
is that a parking brake valve you have there, mounted next to the cylinde
rs, if so would you mind sharing the source,
Like you i used the matco cylinders and the original mounts inverted and
mounted in the tunnel. I then added another bracket
to either side to take the throttle and IFA levers.
craig
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| Subject: | Re: Finger Brakes |
Craig Hi!
That is a Parking Brake fitted beside the two Brake Levers.
The idea was to allow one handed ON or Off operation. When the levers were
short it worked OK but once they were extended the reach required from one
hand didn=B9t allow it. The Park Brake Unit was a 06-17200-MATCO BRAKE PARKIN
G
VALVE-$113.95 from Aircraft Spruce.
The Hand operated Brakes take a little getting used to initially but after
a
short time it works out. The brake discs seem to need to be worn in pretty
well as well.
After that you can establish safe taxi speed and use the rudder for many
fine adjustments in direction.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Anyone install an easy to use for pilot drink holder? |
We are into our instrument panel mounting and modifying at the
moment.
Anyone install an easy to use for pilot on port side
drink holder that perhaps folds away and looks not too cheezy?
Any details would be appreciated.
Thanking in advance.
Ron Parigoris
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