---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/25/10: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:45 AM - Re: Material for Instrument Panel (Tim Houlihan) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Material for Instrument Panel (flying farmer) 3. 04:52 AM - Brake Fluid Choice (Steade) 4. 06:52 AM - AW: Material for Instrument Panel (uvtreith) 5. 09:08 AM - Finger Brakes (Steade) 6. 09:56 AM - Re: Brake Fluid Choice (Jeff B) 7. 10:45 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Richard Iddon) 8. 11:07 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 9. 11:31 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (JEFF ROBERTS) 10. 11:50 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland) 11. 11:54 AM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland) 12. 12:09 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland) 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (craig bastin) 14. 06:16 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (duanefamly@aol.com) 15. 09:29 PM - Re: Finger Brakes (Gerry Holland) 16. 10:23 PM - Anyone install an easy to use for pilot drink holder? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:38 AM PST US From: Tim Houlihan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for Instrument Panel Steade wrote: > I'm just about ready to order the material for the sub panels to carry > the instruments in the panel molding. Any guidance on material > specification and thickness would be helpful Don't forget that pre shaped panels are available on the Europa factory web site. Tim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Material for Instrument Panel From: "flying farmer" What about Carbon fiber sheeting. You will have a ready made finish if you like the carbon fiber look. Richard Wheelwright Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283328#283328 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:21 AM PST US From: "Steade" Subject: Europa-List: Brake Fluid Choice Hi all A bit more help needed My trigear (under construction) is fitted with the original factory finger brake conversion. An earlier post suggested these were from Jamer Performance and fitted with Buna N seals. The earlier post suggested that Dot 3,5,or 8 specification would be OK but the present Jamer site only lists DOT 3 or 4. The other brake parts (calipers and parking brake valve) seem to be from Matco who only recommend Mil-H-5606 although DOT 5 has been suggested elsewhere. So I am a bit confused and any guidance would be appreciated. Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:28 AM PST US From: "uvtreith" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Material for Instrument Panel Dave, Please see attached the instrument panels supplied by Europa Aircraft. Best Regards, Bruno Reith Europa Aircraft Germany _____ Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Steade Gesendet: Montag, 25. Januar 2010 00:09 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Material for Instrument Panel I'm just about ready to order the material for the sub panels to carry the instruments in the panel molding. Any guidance on material specification and thickness would be helpful Regards David ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:25 AM PST US From: "Steade" Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes Hi I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the Europa particularly if silicone based brake fluid has to be used. It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid. Any information on this subject would be helpful. Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:38 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake Fluid Choice Baby Blue has had silicon in her veins for almost 5 years, without any problems... Jeff Steade wrote: > Hi all > > A bit more help needed > > My trigear (under construction) is fitted with the original factory > finger brake conversion. > An earlier post suggested these were from Jamer Performance and fitted > with Buna N seals. > > The earlier post suggested that Dot 3,5,or 8 specification would be OK > but the present Jamer site only lists DOT 3 or 4. > > The other brake parts (calipers and parking brake valve) seem to be from > Matco who only recommend Mil-H-5606 although DOT 5 has been suggested > elsewhere. > > So I am a bit confused and any guidance would be appreciated. > > > Regards > > David Steade > > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:54 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brakes I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding air, sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and replaced them with a pair of Matco ones from the factory. I used the standard red brake fluid in them and haven't had any problems since. Would not recommend using the Jaymar based on my experience. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade Sent: 25 January 2010 16:22 Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes Hi I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the Europa particularly if silicone based brake fluid has to be used. It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid. Any information on this subject would be helpful. Regards David Steade Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:36:00 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:31 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes David- I am in the build stage yet so have not yet selected a fluid.=C2- I hope you disassembled and cleaned the inside of the cylinders and the hole that goes through the middle.=C2- I disasssembled mine and found all sorts of crap in it before cleaning.=C2- There is an allen screw in each side.=C2 - Remove them and pass a wire through it.=C2- You should be able to see from one side to the other.=C2- Jim Puglise A-283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steade" Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:21:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes Hi I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its suitability for the Eu ropa particularly if silicone based brake fluid=C2-has to be used. It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid. Any information on this subject would be helpful. Regards David Steade == ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:46 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes Guy's, Unless you want to spend extra money I would do as others have done. Take the Jaymar cylinders completely apart. Get some carb or choke cleaner and a small soft round brush and clean all the crap out of them, put them back together and they'll work fine. It seems there was a bad batch of these. There was a thread on this a few years back, but as soon as I cleaned mine they have been working perfectly ever since. I used a matco emergency brake also with the dot 5 and it works great. The small bleeder screws leaked a bit letting air in the system but a little gasket seal on the threads fixed that. Working great for 3 years now. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Richard Iddon wrote: > I had endless problems with my Jaymar cylinders, problems bleeding > air, sticking pistons etc. and eventually threw them away and > replaced them with a pair of Matco ones from the factory. I used > the standard red brake fluid in them and haven=92t had any problems > since. Would not recommend using the Jaymar based on my experience. > > Richard Iddon. G-RIXS > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa- > list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade > Sent: 25 January 2010 16:22 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Finger Brakes > > Hi > > I'm a bit more advanced with my finger brake problem now but what > has come up is the quality of the original Jamar part and its > suitability for the Europaparticularly if silicone based brake fluid > has to be used. > > It seems some owners have changed the Jamar products to modified toe > brake cylinders and then used standard red brake fluid. > > Any information on this subject would be helpful. > > > Regards > > David Steade > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 07:36:00 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes From: Gerry Holland David Hi! I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built. I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers are long enough, probably about 9=B2 but just as important is to ensure knob or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake fluids. I used the =8Cred=B9 Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers. Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action difficult) so were extended by about 4=B2. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes From: Gerry Holland David Hi! I fitted the original Matco Foot Brake cylinders to Trigear G-FIZY I built. I fabricated a bracket, ensured there was a removable panel above the bleed screws and it worked well. My only recommendation would be to ensure levers are long enough, probably about 9=B2 but just as important is to ensure knob or handle ends are big enough for a good grip or action. There was a requirement to ensure correct rubber seals were used for different brake fluids. I used the =8Cred=B9 Dot 5....I think! Europa supplied the rubbers. Photos attached. The Brake Levers in photo proved too short (action difficult) so were extended by about 4=B2. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes From: Gerry Holland Sorry to everyone for receiving an earlier message 3 times! The List rejected twice so I resent twice....Doh! Again Sorry! Gerry Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:16 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brakes Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakesgerry, is that a parking brake valve you have there, mounted next to the cylinders, if so would you mind sharing the source, Like you i used the matco cylinders and the original mounts inverted and mounted in the tunnel. I then added another bracket to either side to take the throttle and IFA levers. craig ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes From: duanefamly@aol.com Craig, Check out AC Spruce. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/matcoPBVALVE.php This has been used by many. Mike Duane Redding, CA XS Conventional Gear Jab3300 -----Original Message----- From: craig bastin Sent: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 5:48 pm Subject: RE: Europa-List: Finger Brakes gerry, is that a parking brake valve you have there, mounted next to the cylinde rs, if so would you mind sharing the source, Like you i used the matco cylinders and the original mounts inverted and mounted in the tunnel. I then added another bracket to either side to take the throttle and IFA levers. craig ======================== =========== -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Finger Brakes From: Gerry Holland Craig Hi! That is a Parking Brake fitted beside the two Brake Levers. The idea was to allow one handed ON or Off operation. When the levers were short it worked OK but once they were extended the reach required from one hand didn=B9t allow it. The Park Brake Unit was a 06-17200-MATCO BRAKE PARKIN G VALVE-$113.95 from Aircraft Spruce. The Hand operated Brakes take a little getting used to initially but after a short time it works out. The brake discs seem to need to be worn in pretty well as well. After that you can establish safe taxi speed and use the rudder for many fine adjustments in direction. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:26 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone install an easy to use for pilot drink holder? From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us We are into our instrument panel mounting and modifying at the moment. Anyone install an easy to use for pilot on port side drink holder that perhaps folds away and looks not too cheezy? Any details would be appreciated. Thanking in advance. 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