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1. 03:43 AM - Europa Classic Exhaust (Bill Henderson)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust (flyingphil2)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 (John Lawton)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 (John Lawton)
5. 09:20 AM - Snobbish and elitist comments (Gerry Holland)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Snobbish and elitist comments (Christoph Both)
7. 12:23 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 01/26/10 (Roland)
8. 02:01 PM - Re: MG folding prop (rampil)
9. 02:09 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 (rampil)
10. 02:09 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 (rampil)
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Exhaust |
Does anyone have a Classic exhaust (in any condition) they would like to
sell? I'm still trying to find one that is possibly repairable or to
use as a template to build my own.
Thanks,
Bill
Monowheel Classic, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Exhaust |
Hi,
I'm not sure if it's a Classic or XS exhaust but the company below has had one
for sale for ages:
http://www.sky-craft.co.uk/
Go to their website and search for Europa.
Regards,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 |
> >>>>>>Time: 09:09:45 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 01/27/10
> From: "Christoph Both" <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
>
> What a waste of time. Same for discussing if Apple is better than
> Microsoft.
>
> Much better to discuss which tool is best for the job. Let's stop
> comparing Apples to Oranges. Or Toyotas to GM.
>
> Christoph Both
>
> #223<<<<<<<<
>
> Hello Christoph,
>
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your comment is one of the most
snobbish, elitiest things I've seen posted here in the eight years that I
have participated in this forum. There are a lot of things that are posted
to this forum that are a waste of time from my perspective, sir, such as
anything to do with the monowheel, or the constant chatter about the "drop
of the hat" fly outs that are only of use to those in the UK, or the various
lengthy threads about Rotax installation and cooling issues with the Europa.
Why not just skip over the posts you don't find interesting rather than
insult the people who make them by chiding them for wasting your precious
time? The majority of what is posted here is of little or no interest to me
because I've been flying for nigh onto four years now and I don't reside in
the UK. As such, I just skip over what doesn't interest me and pay it no
mind.
Your tune would change dramatically if your engine of choice was constantly
being berated on this forum with idle comments about <<reliability>> with no
real basis in fact, thereby driving down the resale value of your airplane.
You are but one of over 300 people subscribed to this list. Not everyone is
interested in the same topics that interest you, either, partner. You might
not have noticed, but there is a key in the upper righthand corner of your
keyboard that has the word "Delete" written on it. If you don't like a
topic, use that button, rather than the rest of the keys on your keyboard to
insult the people here who are genuinely interested in the Jabiru engine and
its use in the Europa as an alternative to the Rotax 9xx.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 |
> >>>>>BTW: It is not possible to air-start a 912S in any case.<<<<<<
>
Hi Ira,
I air start the 912S in my Ximango all the time. Very easy to do and
necessary if I run the battery down when soaring because I'm running my
transponder, 2 varios and boombox off the battery.
All I have to do is push the nose over until I get to about 100 knots, flip
on the mag switches, unfeather the prop and the engine starts right up. In
fact, I had to demonstrate several air starts as a condition of getting my
motorglider rating. As a general rule of thumb I observe a lower limit for
engine off ops in the Ximango of 1500' agl in order to give myself enough
room to perform an air start should it become necessary. That big old fat
Hoffman prop on my Ximango doesn't have any trouble spinning the 912S fast
enough to start at just over 100 kts. Air starts might be difficult with
skinny Warp Drive blades, though. That might be what John Hurst was
referring to.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Snobbish and elitist comments |
John Hi!
Unless you know personally or have come across Christoph in your travels I=B9
m
not sure how his e-mail sets him up as snobbish or elitist unless you know
better?
I think the tone you read into the Christoph e-mail is the tone of the emai
l
as YOU see it. I read it and understood exactly what he meant. The comments
such as apples and pears is right. In fact both Jabiru and Rotax are good
engines and are used based on personal choice are around cost and perceived
capability.
At the risk of stating the obvious..... E-mail comments are very OFTEN
misconstrued and are not a good basis to make a return comment.
Use of pertinent Subject words will ensure that a quick appraisal of e-mail
content can be made and appropriate action taken. Too many times the =8Cre=B9
Subject prolongs passage of a subject where often it strays from it=B9s
original theme.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Snobbish and elitist comments |
Hi Gerry:
Thank you for your response. I appreciate this and I certainly did not
mean to offend anybody. In fact, as people who know me a bit better know
how fond I am of the Jabiru line of engines - they are worth every
consideration - especially having met Australian airworthiness
standards, lighter weight, ease of repair at local AME's, etc. I would
have also preferred a personal email from the writer expressing his
personal opinion about the person he refers to, instead of involving the
entire list.
Christoph
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:18 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Snobbish and elitist comments
John Hi!
Unless you know personally or have come across Christoph in your travels
I'm not sure how his e-mail sets him up as snobbish or elitist unless
you know better?
I think the tone you read into the Christoph e-mail is the tone of the
email as YOU see it. I read it and understood exactly what he meant. The
comments such as apples and pears is right. In fact both Jabiru and
Rotax are good engines and are used based on personal choice are around
cost and perceived capability.
At the risk of stating the obvious..... E-mail comments are very OFTEN
misconstrued and are not a good basis to make a return comment.
Use of pertinent Subject words will ensure that a quick appraisal of
e-mail content can be made and appropriate action taken. Too many times
the 're' Subject prolongs passage of a subject where often it strays
from it's original theme.
Regards
Gerry
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 01/26/10 |
Hi John,
you can receive information of TBO-extension on http://www.franz-aircraft.de/Rotax/Franz-e.htm (they have also English pages).
In my opinion the comparison between the Ford and Rotax doesn't fit - rather does
it for the Volkswagen. Rotax is anything but known for a lack of reliability
- but this seems to come close a religious war.
Unfortunately I don't have TBO-costs at hand. Maybe you can also get this information
on the website mentioned above.
Happy landings!
Roland
[quote="wingdingy(at)gmail.com"]
> >>>>>Rotax extended TBO for the 912 series to 2000 h and 15 years.
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| Subject: | Re: MG folding prop |
Hi Ron,
I have not tried powering down my engine as I don't see any point until
such time as I have my long wings. The data on inability to airstart
is direct from the factory. No real point in persevering over just how
much force at what prop pitch at what airspeed, etc. If Terry has done
it, that's great. I have tested my airframe at 110% Vne as per protocol during
my Phase 1, 110kt is 15% below cruise.
I have compiled a great deal of test flight data as per the bootstrap method
outlined in John Lowry's great book. I have first cuts at my airframes
best Vspeeds etc and I believe I have posted those here in times past.
You and Wayne are of course always welcome for a ride! Just please
leave your memo pad at home.
Cheers,
Ira
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 |
Hi John!
Frankly, I never knew where JH got his info. You and I well remember
the constant friction in the office back in the day! I do know that John
had no personal experience with inflight restarts of the 912S (as compared)
with the 914. Never tried it my self either and will not until I need to with
big wings. I used to worry about the engine cold soaking while soaring
(I can dream can't I) and having trouble restarting over the Catskills.
Over the years however I routinely have started my engine truly cold
without ever an issue if my Odyssey was over 80% charged
Your additional data point is certainly helpful with Terry's!
Regards,
Ira
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 01/28/10 |
Hi John!
Frankly, I never knew where JH got his info. You and I well remember
the constant friction in the office back in the day! I do know that John
had no personal experience with inflight restarts of the 912S (as compared)
with the 914. Never tried it my self either and will not until I need to with
big wings. I used to worry about the engine cold soaking while soaring
(I can dream can't I) and having trouble restarting over the Catskills.
Over the years however I routinely have started my engine truly cold
without ever an issue if my Odyssey was over 80% charged
Your additional data point is certainly helpful with Terry's!
Regards,
Ira
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Ira N224XS
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