---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/31/10: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Lifting the Europa (JR Gowing) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: Lifting the Europa (Stephan Cassel) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: Lifting the Europa (Fred Klein) 4. 11:05 AM - Re: Lifting the Europa (Carl Pattinson) 5. 07:13 PM - Ideas for alternative motors (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:15 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa YOu have given it more thought than I JR ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa I just had concerns about asymetric loading of the mount itself, given th e mount is designed for a =22tension=22 load pulling forward under normal flight conditions, but given it has to support the weight of the engine a t 8G ultimate load which is about 600kg depending on engine choice, you are probably correct. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR Gowing Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:27 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa craig I think you could lift from just about any part of the engine mount At the moment my fuselage is more or less hangine from the propeller bo ss with a little stabilisation JR Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz.. =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F- =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:35:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:24 AM PST US From: "Stephan Cassel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa Hi Troy, Another approach is the "mini dolly": http://www.scassel.se/europa/dolly1.jpg http://www.scassel.se/europa/dolly2.jpg (aircraft level) The dolly is attached on one of the strongest part of the fuselage, i.e. where the cockpit-module, fuselage and firewall are bound together. It is important to create/mould the support blocks on the fuselage in order to fit perfect. Between the support block and fuselage is quite hard rubber. Each support block has 5 mm bolt through the fuselage, just in case. After 5 years of use (also during the finishing of the kit ) the fuselage has not moved a fraction of mm from the dolly. The dolly should be made with full tank (max load) and a piece of wood 2" under the wheel, see picture otherwise you can not operate the landing gear properly in level, see pic You also need a tail wheel support, see pic I use my "mini-dolly" one every service. Even 50 hours service. I can check flaps/landing gear/outrigger ++ very easy. Please feel free if you need any offline info. Best regards Stephan Cassel LN-STE 230 hours - third year ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:05 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Stephan Cassel wrote: > > http://www.scassel.se/europa/dolly1.jpg > http://www.scassel.se/europa/dolly2.jpg (aircraft level) Outstanding Stephen !! Could you please describe your procedure for getting your dolly in place on your XS? It's not clear to me how you raise the aircraft to get the dolly under it. Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:39 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa Safest option is to invest in a hydraulic engine hoist and lift using the engine mounting frame (secure with rope aft of the lord mounts). I recently purchased one for =A3125 on Ebay. Sounds expensive but once flying you will need to lift the aircraft every year (fully rigged) for the annual inspection so over the years it will prove to be a worthwhile investment. Heres one like I bought - I expect they are cheaper in the USA. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1-TON-FOLDING-HYDRAULIC-ENGINE-CRANE-HOIST-LIFT_W0Q QitemZ110465901864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Lifting_Moving_Equipment?hash=i tem19b847e528 Its folding so can be stored in the corner of the garage. Anything that relies on jacks needs to be pretty secure or you risk getting squashed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Maynor To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:43 PM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting the Europa Hey Guys and Gals, When folks talk about lifting a Europa by the engine mount are they referring to the mount forward of the lord mounts or aft of the lord mounts? I need to lift my Classic monowheel for maintenance in the garage without the wings on it. I am thinking about having a welded stand with the hydraulic jack added like someone on the forum made for lifting, but the exhaust pipe is in the way on the port side. I need to get the weight off the tire to fiddle with the brace for the landing gear handle mod. It was too stiff laterally as I remember from last I did it. I made too fancy of a brace than the angle stock I had on earlier. That was before the engine was installed and things were easier then. Thoughts, ideas anyone? Troy Maynor Monowheel Classic UK120 Passed inspection, first flight soon. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Ideas for alternative motors From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us What an assortment of engine installiations! http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4.html http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo4a-engines.html Ron Parigoris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.