Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:00 AM - Liberty XL Service Bulletin for Canopy Shoot Bolts (Remi Guerner)
2. 08:13 AM - Europa door shoot bolts (John Wigney)
3. 10:08 AM - aircraft data on club website (Rowland Carson)
4. 10:11 AM - Re: Europa door shoot bolts (JEFF ROBERTS)
5. 10:13 AM - Europa parts (Kevin Challis)
6. 02:12 PM - Re: Europa door shoot bolts (rampil)
7. 03:22 PM - Re: Europa parts (mau11)
8. 03:55 PM - Re: Europa parts (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: Europa parts (Robert Borger)
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| Subject: | Liberty XL Service Bulletin for Canopy Shoot Bolts |
Hi Ira,
The problem often comes from the pilot opening the door to cool the
cockpit or demist the windscreen at the last minute (possibly after
having performed the pre-takeoff check)
and failing to re-lock it properly.
My suggestion:
1. Check doors locked (both pins engaged) during your pre-takeoff check
(I assume everybody does this!)
2; Never open a door after having performed your pre-takeoff check,
unless absolutely necessary (in that case double check door properly
locked)
A few decades ago I experienced a side window popping open during
takeoff in a Cessna 150. The noise and the wind were frightening! The
key here is to fly the airplane first and deal with the door or window
second.
Best regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
<<<<These episodes,the NTSB says were all apparently due to improper
shoot bolt deployment into the rear socket and failure to check
by crew.>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Europa door shoot bolts |
Hi Vaughn,
Am happy to hear that you are back on track with the project. How is
progress?
You were fortunate with the Tomahawk door. Re Europa doors, my
experience is that mine opened up once a long time ago (rear bolt not
engaged) just as I was lifting off at take off. I was able to gently set
it back down without losing the door. Lucky me. I am now a bit anal
about checking the bolts. I believe that if you fly with one bolt out,
there may be no way you can stop the door opening or even think about
relocking it. Just fly the plane.
At the 2008 Sun N Fun, there was a prize winning Lancair which departed
from the show. The photo at take off (below) shows his front hinge
canopy was open about 2" at the back edge. He crashed fatally about 5
miles from the airport. Even at big shows you can always declare an
emergency. This guy could have put it back down. Moral = "Fly the Plane!"
Cheers, John
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From: "Europa List" <n914va@bvunet.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Liberty XL Service Bulletin for Canopy Shoot Bolts
I learned to fly in a Piper Tomahawk which used a similar system to secure
the doors. It was pounded into my head to check both doors very carefully
before taking of. On my long solo cross country I left Harrisburg
International and as I turned to leave the pattern, I noticed more noise
than usual. Sure enough the rear shoot bolt on my side was not engaged. I
slowed to 10 knots above stall and trimed for level flight as instructed and
was able to correctly shut the door. I was prepared to request permission
and land back at Harrisburg had I not been successful because of the dire
warnings from my instructor about not bringing the complete airplane home.
Learning a lesson without dire consequences is most preferable. Learning
from others mistakes is even better for you.
Vaughn Teegarden
A191 back in the building stage
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| Subject: | aircraft data on club website |
I didn't get the update of aircraft data on the website automated
before I handed all the Membership Secretary work over to Brian
Davies. Since he doesn't have the tools to do the job easily, the
"hours flown" and "under construction" pages have been getting very
out-of-date.
Brian has twisted my arm to do a manual update and I hope those pages
now reflect the much-appreciated input that everyone has been giving
Brian. This was also by way of a prod to remind me that the automatic
updating should really be implented some time this century, and I
will try to get it done Real Soon Now (c).
Please let me or Brian know if you have better data than that now
shown on those pages.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Europa door shoot bolts |
Hi Vaughn,
I flew my bird to that show and was standing there watching that
Lancair take off. When I turned to watch the next one leave he went
down. Myself and some friends were sick when we saw the smoke from the
crash. Even more so when they told us it was an open canopy.
Before I hit the throttle both my hands push out on the rear, then the
front of both doors making sure those shoot bolts are in. It is too
bad but we all get caught up in trying to make a perfect landing or
takeoff when on lookers are around. (Air shows etc.)
Thats when check list are needed even more.
Best To All!!
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush... still down for annual but looking forward
to the soon to be nice weather!
On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:06 AM, John Wigney wrote:
> >
>
> Hi Vaughn,
>
> Am happy to hear that you are back on track with the project. How is
> progress?
>
> You were fortunate with the Tomahawk door. Re Europa doors, my
> experience is that mine opened up once a long time ago (rear bolt
> not engaged) just as I was lifting off at take off. I was able to
> gently set it back down without losing the door. Lucky me. I am now
> a bit anal about checking the bolts. I believe that if you fly with
> one bolt out, there may be no way you can stop the door opening or
> even think about relocking it. Just fly the plane.
>
> At the 2008 Sun N Fun, there was a prize winning Lancair which
> departed from the show. The photo at take off (below) shows his
> front hinge canopy was open about 2" at the back edge. He crashed
> fatally about 5 miles from the airport. Even at big shows you can
> always declare an emergency. This guy could have put it back down.
> Moral = "Fly the Plane!"
>
> Cheers, John
>
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE/
> From: "Europa List" <n914va@bvunet.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Liberty XL Service Bulletin for Canopy
> Shoot Bolts
> I learned to fly in a Piper Tomahawk which used a similar system to
> secure the doors. It was pounded into my head to check both doors
> very carefully before taking of. On my long solo cross country I
> left Harrisburg International and as I turned to leave the pattern,
> I noticed more noise than usual. Sure enough the rear shoot bolt on
> my side was not engaged. I slowed to 10 knots above stall and trimed
> for level flight as instructed and was able to correctly shut the
> door. I was prepared to request permission and land back at
> Harrisburg had I not been successful because of the dire warnings
> from my instructor about not bringing the complete airplane home.
> Learning a lesson without dire consequences is most preferable.
> Learning from others mistakes is even better for you.
> Vaughn Teegarden
> A191 back in the building stage
> /
>
>
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Hi
I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from Europa (UK)
nearly 1 month ago!!!!
I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
Kevin
G-ODJG
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| Subject: | Re: Europa door shoot bolts |
It's true I think that anyone who has flown small GA certified AC will
have had an experience with an open door. As Shakespeare said,
tis much ado about nothing, as long as the pilot remembers what
to do (fly the plane) and what not to do (fight to close said door).
Its one thing to have a Cessna door or window pop - nothing
happens to the aircraft, pilots undergarments excepted.
When a door open on a Europa or a Liberty, there is an excellent
chance that the door will cleanly depart the airframe as has happened
several times. There is a theoretical, but so far unseen possibility
that the departing door will hit the empenage and damage an
airfoil or control. That is not a nothing event!
My request for comments was actually a probe to start a discussion
on whether the Europa community should look into doing the same.
The port door on my airframe has long been deformed by heat while
under the tension of the gas spring and has thus deformed so it takes
some special effort to engage the shoot in the rear. This deformity
was exacerbated by the door blowing off the hinges on the ground at
Norfolk VA after a perfect ILS in a 40 kt crosswind coming home
from SnF 2006. As soon as I opened the door at the gas pump,
it pulled right out of my hand. Actually, when
closed, but not latched, the rear corner of the door is proud of the
fuse by two inches or so, therefore I need a handle on the inside to
pull it in.
The Liberty mod probably will not do a thing for me, but
it might help avoid someone else's accident.
I am planning a trip to SnF this year (even though I promised myself
I would not) and I will look at the new Liberty shoot bolts.
I have it from reliable sources, that the close by establishment for the
annual engineering meeting is now remodeled and open for business.
8)
Fly Safe!
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287685#287685
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
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You have another best solution :
Use a stainless steel piano wire diameter 1.5 mm, you add a graphite grease into
the sleeve and it is cheaper and better than cables.
I use that 10 years ago and it is perfect no cables problems.
22-02-2010
mau11
De : Kevin Challis
Date/heure : 22-02-2010 19:19:40
A : europa-list@matronics.com
Cc :
Sujet : Europa-List: Europa parts
Hi
I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from Europa (UK) nearly
1 month ago!!!!
I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
Kevin
G-ODJG
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
I've been thinking of replacing my cables with the piano wire you
speak of. Do you have any pictures or can you tell me how you
connected to the throttle handle and to the carb lever?
Thanks,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 22, 2010, at 4:49 PM, mau11 wrote:
> You have another best solution :
> Use a stainless steel piano wire diameter 1.5 mm, you add a graphite
> grease into the sleeve and it is cheaper and better than cables.
> I use that 10 years ago and it is perfect no cables problems.
>
>
> 22-02-2010
> mau11
> De =EF=BC=9A Kevin Challis
> Date/heure =EF=BC=9A 22-02-2010 19:19:40
> A =EF=BC=9A europa-list@matronics.com
> Cc =EF=BC=9A
> Sujet =EF=BC=9A Europa-List: Europa parts
> Hi
>
> I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from
> Europa (UK) nearly 1 month ago!!!!
>
> I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
>
> Kevin
> G-ODJG
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
Jeff,
I replaced my throttle cable with teflon coated SS solid wire last year
when the stranded stuff kinked in the throttle box. You can see what I
did in Year #8 Q3 2009 of my build web site (url in signature block).
The wire was purchased from McMaster-Carr. There is a picture of the
stock labels on the page. The rest of the stuff is from ACS.
It seems to be working well for me so far.
Needless to say, you are on your own and your mileage may vary.
Good luck.
Now, if I can only get the Rotax part of the annual completed and the
new brake master installed.
Check six,
Bob Borger
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
rlborger@mac.com
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:51 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of replacing my cables with the piano wire you
speak of. Do you have any pictures or can you tell me how you connected
to the throttle handle and to the carb lever?
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2010, at 4:49 PM, mau11 wrote:
>
>> You have another best solution :
>> Use a stainless steel piano wire diameter 1.5 mm, you add a graphite
grease into the sleeve and it is cheaper and better than cables.
>> I use that 10 years ago and it is perfect no cables problems.
>>
>>
>> 22-02-2010
>> mau11
>> De =EF=BC=9A Kevin Challis
>> Date/heure =EF=BC=9A 22-02-2010 19:19:40
>> A =EF=BC=9A europa-list@matronics.com
>> Cc =EF=BC=9A
>> Sujet =EF=BC=9A Europa-List: Europa parts
>> Hi
>>
>> I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from
Europa (UK) nearly 1 month ago!!!!
>>
>> I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
>>
>> Kevin
>> G-ODJG
>>
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