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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Re: Europa door shoot bolts (Steven Pitt)
2. 02:41 AM - throttle cables (Kevin Challis)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: Europa parts (bmoorhouse)
4. 05:51 AM - Ampreg (Bill & Sue)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Europa door shoot bolts (Raimo Toivio)
6. 09:03 AM - Europa throttle cables (John Wigney)
7. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Europa parts ()
8. 12:22 PM - Greece (David Joyce)
9. 02:35 PM - Re: Ampreg (JR Gowing)
10. 09:34 PM - Re: Greece (Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard)
11. 09:51 PM - Question for Europa reed switch fuel sender (rparigoris)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa door shoot bolts |
Ira,
I will be at Sun'n'Fun again with the Europa team, Jeff and Mary Behrnes and
a couple of Brit Europa owners. Bud tells me that Europa have stands 90 and
91 so engineering meetings will be on the agenda.
Look forward to seeing you and any other Europa owners/wannabees in just
over a month.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa door shoot bolts
>
> It's true I think that anyone who has flown small GA certified AC will
> have had an experience with an open door. As Shakespeare said,
> tis much ado about nothing, as long as the pilot remembers what
> to do (fly the plane) and what not to do (fight to close said door).
>
> Its one thing to have a Cessna door or window pop - nothing
> happens to the aircraft, pilots undergarments excepted.
>
> When a door open on a Europa or a Liberty, there is an excellent
> chance that the door will cleanly depart the airframe as has happened
> several times. There is a theoretical, but so far unseen possibility
> that the departing door will hit the empenage and damage an
> airfoil or control. That is not a nothing event!
>
> My request for comments was actually a probe to start a discussion
> on whether the Europa community should look into doing the same.
>
> The port door on my airframe has long been deformed by heat while
> under the tension of the gas spring and has thus deformed so it takes
> some special effort to engage the shoot in the rear. This deformity
> was exacerbated by the door blowing off the hinges on the ground at
> Norfolk VA after a perfect ILS in a 40 kt crosswind coming home
> from SnF 2006. As soon as I opened the door at the gas pump,
> it pulled right out of my hand. Actually, when
> closed, but not latched, the rear corner of the door is proud of the
> fuse by two inches or so, therefore I need a handle on the inside to
> pull it in.
>
> The Liberty mod probably will not do a thing for me, but
> it might help avoid someone else's accident.
>
> I am planning a trip to SnF this year (even though I promised myself
> I would not) and I will look at the new Liberty shoot bolts.
>
> I have it from reliable sources, that the close by establishment for the
> annual engineering meeting is now remodeled and open for business.
> 8)
>
> Fly Safe!
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287685#287685
>
>
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My question was Europa's poor customer service in supplying parts and if
anyone else was suffering, or was this a one off not how to get around the
problem.
Thank you for the suggestions anyway
Kevin
G-ODJG
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
[quote="kevinmarie(at)blueyonder."]Hi
I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from Europa (UK) nearly
1 month ago!!!!
I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
Kevin
G-ODJG
> [b]
Yes - I ordered quite a few bits before Christmas - most arrived on time (but they
sent the wrong springs) except for 8 brake pads & rivets (I ordered two complete
sets - 4 for me and 4 for a friend with a Europa) and the die set. After
many excuses the brake pads arrived about 2 weeks ago - instead of 8 they sent
6 - no die set. Eventually the extra 2 arrived plus the die set a week later.
Total of 5 telephone calls and two emails - they were very apologetic and put it
down to a reorganization of the spares dept and problems with suppliers.
They debited my card for everything before Christmas - I am not a happy bunny.
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Barry Moorhouse
G-JHYS Trigear XS
Rotax 914 UL
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You may already be aware that Ampreg 20 is no longer produced and the replacement
is Ampreg21. (I was not !)
I spoke to Martin Armstrong at Gurit (Ne SP Systems) who was very helpful and
informative, it appears that Ampreg 21 is almost indistinguishable in performance
and rather more user-friendly in health and safety handling terms than Ampreg
20.
Attached is a Health and Safety datasheet for Ampreg he sent me and a note on crystalisation.
I have also spoken to Europa and they confirmed that Ampreg 21 is now the standard
item.
Incidentally Martin Armstrong was happy for me to pass on his contact details if
anyone wants advice on Ampreg.
Martin Amstrong
Composite technologist
Gurit (UK)
St.Cross Business Park
Newport
Isle of Wight
PO30 5WU
England
tele +44 (0)1983 828103 (direct)
e-mail martin.armstrong@gurit.com
website http://www.gurit.com
Bill Bell
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| Subject: | Re: Europa door shoot bolts |
>
> When a door open on a Europa or a Liberty, there is an excellent
> chance that the door will cleanly depart the airframe as has happened
> several times. There is a theoretical, but so far unseen possibility
> that the departing door will hit the empenage and damage an
> airfoil or control. That is not a nothing event!
To prevent this happen I have 4 x microswitches and green/yellow leds to warn unengaged
shootbolts.
Those leds are just in sight and it is almost impossibe not to see those yellow
ones.
During T.O. I check if the ASI is operative and the leds are just beside it.
Secondly, some of you may remember the pip-pins which secure the door levers to
the door lever guards to prevent human errors (= unintentional inflight door
opening).
Raimo OH-XRT
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| Subject: | Europa throttle cables |
Hi Jeff,
I had a minor problem with distortion/buckling of the original stranded
throttle cables and changed to wire 2 years ago. I forget now why I was
not happy with the original cable sleeve material but I replaced the
outer Bowden sleeve with ACS item 05-15500 and used 0.062" piano wire.
To connect the wires to the throttle handle cross bolt, I used AN111-3
cable bushings. The wire was formed round the bushings and secured with
safety wire and epoxy. At the carb levers, I used the standard
components. It has worked fine. As you can see in the photo, the wire is
just slightly bowed with the throttle wide open
Cheers, John
N262WF
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From: JEFF ROBERTS <Jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa parts
I've been thinking of replacing my cables with the piano wire you
speak of. Do you have any pictures or can you tell me how you
connected to the throttle handle and to the carb lever?
Thanks, Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
On the other hand I ordered a set of matco Master cylinders and part of a speed
kit at Christmas and both were delivered the first week of January,
No complaints here,
Ivor
>
> I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from Europa (UK) nearly
1 month ago!!!!
>
> I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
>
> Kevin
> G-ODJG
>
> > [b]
>
> Yes - I ordered quite a few bits before Christmas - most arrived on time (but
they sent the wrong springs) except for 8 brake pads & rivets (I ordered two
complete sets - 4 for me and 4 for a friend with a Europa) and the die set. After
many excuses the brake pads arrived about 2 weeks ago - instead of 8 they
sent 6 - no die set. Eventually the extra 2 arrived plus the die set a week later.
>
> Total of 5 telephone calls and two emails - they were very apologetic and put
it down to a reorganization of the spares dept and problems with suppliers.
>
> They debited my card for everything before Christmas - I am not a happy bunny.
>
> --------
> _______________
> Barry Moorhouse
> G-JHYS Trigear XS
> Rotax 914 UL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287776#287776
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hoping to travel to Greece this year, I am trying to get some sense about
whether they require special permission for permit aircraft. I have had no
joy at all in multiple attempts to contact the Greek CAA, Greek AOPA or
various Greek flying clubs. Does anyone know of a contact in their CAA or
have a working knowledge of Greek + a Greek keyboard , to be able to send on
a query in the vernacular? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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Bill and Sue
When Ampreg 20 became unavailable in Oz, I changed to West System 105 Epoxy
Resin and West System Slow Hardener which I understand is a widely known
brand in USA as well as Australia.
I have found it good to use ever since and will be surprised if you are not
able to find a supplier in the UK.
JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Sue" <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:49 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Ampreg
> <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
> You may already be aware that Ampreg 20 is no longer produced and the
> replacement is Ampreg21. (I was not !)
> I spoke to Martin Armstrong at Gurit (Ne SP Systems) who was very
> helpful and informative, it appears that Ampreg 21 is almost
> indistinguishable in performance and rather more user-friendly in health
> and safety handling terms than Ampreg 20.
> Attached is a Health and Safety datasheet for Ampreg he sent me and a note
> on crystalisation.
> I have also spoken to Europa and they confirmed that Ampreg 21 is now the
> standard item.
>
> Incidentally Martin Armstrong was happy for me to pass on his contact
> details if anyone wants advice on Ampreg.
>
> Martin Amstrong
> Composite technologist
> Gurit (UK)
> St.Cross Business Park
> Newport
> Isle of Wight
> PO30 5WU
> England
>
> tele +44 (0)1983 828103 (direct)
> e-mail martin.armstrong@gurit.com
> website http://www.gurit.com
>
>
> Bill Bell
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287786#287786
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/general_hands_156.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/crystallization_sp_481.pdf
>
>
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Hi David
You could contact Claus Burman, clausbuhrmann@gmail.com - Claus took his Europa
to Greece in the summer '09.
Regards Gert
OY-GDS
Den 23/02/2010 kl. 21.19 skrev David Joyce:
> Hoping to travel to Greece this year, I am trying to get some sense about whether
they require special permission for permit aircraft. I have had no joy at
all in multiple attempts to contact the Greek CAA, Greek AOPA or various Greek
flying clubs. Does anyone know of a contact in their CAA or have a working knowledge
of Greek + a Greek keyboard , to be able to send on a query in the vernacular?
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Question for Europa reed switch fuel sender |
Hi group
When equipped with a factory reed switch style fuel sender installed on the port
side of the tank (main), if you were to run on starboard tank (reserve) heading
for exhaustion, at what indication on the fuel gauge would the needle stop
going down because sender is still floating on the fuel trapped below the tunnel
hump on the port side.
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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