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1. 01:00 AM - Electric Trim Problems (John Price)
2. 02:05 AM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Robert C Harrison)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Kevin Klinefelter)
4. 07:40 AM - FUEL tank graph (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Ampreg (Jan de Jong)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Europa parts (Bud Yerly)
7. 10:08 AM - Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport (Paddy Clarke)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport (Richard Iddon)
9. 03:59 PM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Gavin & Anne)
10. 04:04 PM - Re: Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport (Robert C Harrison)
11. 04:13 PM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Terry Seaver (terrys))
12. 04:20 PM - UK and European Europa Flyers. (Robert C Harrison)
13. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: Europa parts (Mike Baker)
14. 05:19 PM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Gavin & Anne)
15. 06:56 PM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Paul McAllister)
16. 09:18 PM - Re: Electric Trim Problems (Gerry Holland)
17. 11:08 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
18. 11:12 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Electric Trim Problems |
Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen servo.
The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when used to trim
nose down.
We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
Any thoughts ?
John Price.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Electric Trim Problems |
Hi! John.
Yes I can tell you all about it and most who fly with me can also!
I had this problem initially a number of years ago and the Ray Allen people
assured me it must be a wiring failure, the hassle proving all the circuitry
needs to be done to be believed. Still the failure was intermittently
present. Next I had to remove the servo (fortunately I had built in a
facility which locked the servo locating bolt heads enabling the nuts to be
removed from the rear...in anticipation of needing it out!) I returned it to
Ray Allen Company where they failed to reproduce the symptoms. In my case
the failure was identical to yours and I found much to my horror that if I
let go of the control stick and trimmed fully nose up (scary because you
wouldn't land it like that and the forces on the stabilators and rear
controls are phenomenal)it then will be possible to reverse the trim motor.
They returned the servo after checking and for good measure included a
replacement MK1 relay for 50% of the normal price.
I refitted the servo and also replaced the relay. The problem had been
cured.
Some considerable time ensued before the identical problem returned.
I have reported this to the Ray Allen and they said they had now identified
that the MK1 Relay actually fails but in one direction only so when the
system is reversed it hides the fault.
They have now (again at 50% cost) have sent a MK2 relay saying that they
have at last identified the original fault. The MK2 is slightly different in
shape and size and sitting on my desk awaiting fitting.
Pleased to be of service to you with this news...(as usual I am out in front
where trouble is concerned !)
However I now am most concerned that you aren't preceding me with the MK2
which is failed? If you would advise me that I'd be obliged.
My system has a panel trim switch and a control stick top trim switch too.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Rotax 914.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Price
Sent: 01 March 2010 09:00
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen servo.
The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when used to
trim nose down.
We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
Any thoughts ?
John Price.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288706#288706
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Trim Problems |
John,
In the wires from the servo in the tail going forward you should have a
splice or connector. Have you checked that?
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Price" <nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:59 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
> <nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
>
> Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
>
> We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
> The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen
> servo.
> The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when used
> to trim nose down.
> We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
>
> Any thoughts ?
>
> John Price.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288706#288706
>
>
>
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Regarding my yesterday message about the above, "my own work" referred to
the tank graph insert, not the squirrelly site. which Ron P. very kindly
disentangled and to whom I thank.
Happy landings
Ferg
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Steade wrote:
> I have used some Ampreg 21 for the filling and surfacing jobs on my
> Tri Gear. I am not very impressed.
>
> Already after 7 months shelf life I had the crystalisation problem and
> had to heat the resin as advised by Gurit (UK). Also the resin despite
> post curing goes not seem to harden as well as Ampreg 20 and this
> affects its ability to sand easily.
>
> I did mix the resin accurately and this problem was consistent. over
> several mixes. What its like for structural use I don't know.
>
> I would be interested in anyone else's experience with this product.
>
> I must say that for the filling I'm tempted to use West Systems 105
> which I understand is OK for this purpose.
I can think of relative humidity and storage temperature as variables to
which Ampreg 21 may be more sensitive than Ampreg 20.
I have no experience with it.
After trial and error I now use SP106 for surface work (mixes as 1 to
0.18 by weight). Hardens and sands much better than Ampreg 20.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
Kevin,
Sorry for your parts delay. Karen, Fiona and I have all checked with
the contracted supplier and choke and throttle cables will not be
available until Mid March. (Production date of delivery was Mar 15,
2010.) They are the only supplier which can make our urgent need. I
have checked my stores here in the states and don't have a spare either.
Our only recourse was to cobble up parts to make a one off, from other
suppliers which required other parts and a non standard setup. I
advised that this was not the course to go and suggested that you be
advised of the delay.
My apologies if you were not advised of the above problem we are having
on this critical FWF item.
Bud Yerly
Technical Assistance for Europa Aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: bmoorhouse<mailto:barrymoorhouse@btinternet.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa parts
<barrymoorhouse@btinternet.com<mailto:barrymoorhouse@btinternet.com>>
[quote="kevinmarie(at)blueyonder."]Hi
I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri gear from Europa
(UK) nearly 1 month ago!!!!
I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply problems.
Kevin
G-ODJG
> [b]
Yes - I ordered quite a few bits before Christmas - most arrived on
time (but they sent the wrong springs) except for 8 brake pads & rivets
(I ordered two complete sets - 4 for me and 4 for a friend with a
Europa) and the die set. After many excuses the brake pads arrived about
2 weeks ago - instead of 8 they sent 6 - no die set. Eventually the
extra 2 arrived plus the die set a week later.
Total of 5 telephone calls and two emails - they were very apologetic
and put it down to a reorganization of the spares dept and problems with
suppliers.
They debited my card for everything before Christmas - I am not a
happy bunny.
--------
_______________
Barry Moorhouse
G-JHYS Trigear XS
Rotax 914 UL
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| Subject: | Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport |
Hi Folks,
I'm amazed to see, after all the rubbish weather, that it might be a
good day tomorrow ( Tuesday ). I know it's very short notice but how
about a DOTH to Cotswold Airport ( Kemble as was ). Voucher in Flyer
- 1200 ish,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport |
Damn!
I would have loved to come but have some 'home improvements' happening
tomorrow. Hope to be out later in the week. Sorry Paddy.
Richard Iddon.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 01 March 2010 18:06
Subject: Europa-List: Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport
Hi Folks,
I'm amazed to see, after all the rubbish weather, that it might be a
good
day tomorrow ( Tuesday ). I know it's very short notice but how about a
DOTH
to Cotswold Airport ( Kemble as was ). Voucher in Flyer - 1200 ish,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
19:34:00
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| Subject: | Electric Trim Problems |
Hi Bob and John
This is very coincidental, I am just in the process of fitting a new RS2
rocker switch on the panel because of a sticking trim. As you say it sticks
when trimming down and I have to reverse the direction to rectify the
situation. I had a spare rocker switch from some time ago when I had a trim
runaway and bought a new switch but it never recurred so didn't fit it.
I also run the system with a stick top grip through a RayAllen relay deck,
probably the mark one which I have had for some time
What you are saying is that the Relay is the problem.
I'll email RayAllen and see what they say
Thanks
Gavin Lee....... ZK-EPA #355
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:05 p.m.
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! John.
Yes I can tell you all about it and most who fly with me can also!
I had this problem initially a number of years ago and the Ray Allen people
assured me it must be a wiring failure, the hassle proving all the circuitry
needs to be done to be believed. Still the failure was intermittently
present. Next I had to remove the servo (fortunately I had built in a
facility which locked the servo locating bolt heads enabling the nuts to be
removed from the rear...in anticipation of needing it out!) I returned it to
Ray Allen Company where they failed to reproduce the symptoms. In my case
the failure was identical to yours and I found much to my horror that if I
let go of the control stick and trimmed fully nose up (scary because you
wouldn't land it like that and the forces on the stabilators and rear
controls are phenomenal)it then will be possible to reverse the trim motor.
They returned the servo after checking and for good measure included a
replacement MK1 relay for 50% of the normal price.
I refitted the servo and also replaced the relay. The problem had been
cured.
Some considerable time ensued before the identical problem returned.
I have reported this to the Ray Allen and they said they had now identified
that the MK1 Relay actually fails but in one direction only so when the
system is reversed it hides the fault.
They have now (again at 50% cost) have sent a MK2 relay saying that they
have at last identified the original fault. The MK2 is slightly different in
shape and size and sitting on my desk awaiting fitting.
Pleased to be of service to you with this news...(as usual I am out in front
where trouble is concerned !)
However I now am most concerned that you aren't preceding me with the MK2
which is failed? If you would advise me that I'd be obliged.
My system has a panel trim switch and a control stick top trim switch too.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Rotax 914.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Price
Sent: 01 March 2010 09:00
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen servo.
The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when used to
trim nose down.
We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
Any thoughts ?
John Price.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288706#288706
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| Subject: | Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport |
Hi! Paddy
Sorry, no can do on two counts a) plane still grounded for TruTrak
embodiment
b) foot in a bloody pot for
another 4-5 weeks !
Have a good trip.
Regards
Bob H . G-PTAG
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke
Sent: 01 March 2010 18:06
Subject: Europa-List: Very Last Minute DOTH - Tue - Cotswold Airport
Hi Folks,
I'm amazed to see, after all the rubbish weather, that it might be a good
day tomorrow ( Tuesday ). I know it's very short notice but how about a DOTH
to Cotswold Airport ( Kemble as was ). Voucher in Flyer - 1200 ish,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Electric Trim Problems |
We have been having problems with sticking trim, both directions, but
only from the rocker switch in the instrument panel. The trim buttons
on our pilot's stick never seem to have that problem. Since both sets
of switches are connected to the same circuit at the relay deck, It
seems that it would have to be a bad switch, not the relay deck. Only
if sticking were from both switch positions would I expect it to be a
relay deck problem.
Any comments would be appreciated, since I am just about to replace the
panel mounted rocker switch.
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin &
Anne
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
Hi Bob and John
This is very coincidental, I am just in the process of fitting a new RS2
rocker switch on the panel because of a sticking trim. As you say it
sticks
when trimming down and I have to reverse the direction to rectify the
situation. I had a spare rocker switch from some time ago when I had a
trim
runaway and bought a new switch but it never recurred so didn't fit it.
I also run the system with a stick top grip through a RayAllen relay
deck,
probably the mark one which I have had for some time
What you are saying is that the Relay is the problem.
I'll email RayAllen and see what they say
Thanks
Gavin Lee....... ZK-EPA #355
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:05 p.m.
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! John.
Yes I can tell you all about it and most who fly with me can also!
I had this problem initially a number of years ago and the Ray Allen
people
assured me it must be a wiring failure, the hassle proving all the
circuitry
needs to be done to be believed. Still the failure was intermittently
present. Next I had to remove the servo (fortunately I had built in a
facility which locked the servo locating bolt heads enabling the nuts to
be
removed from the rear...in anticipation of needing it out!) I returned
it to
Ray Allen Company where they failed to reproduce the symptoms. In my
case
the failure was identical to yours and I found much to my horror that if
I
let go of the control stick and trimmed fully nose up (scary because you
wouldn't land it like that and the forces on the stabilators and rear
controls are phenomenal)it then will be possible to reverse the trim
motor.
They returned the servo after checking and for good measure included a
replacement MK1 relay for 50% of the normal price.
I refitted the servo and also replaced the relay. The problem had been
cured.
Some considerable time ensued before the identical problem returned.
I have reported this to the Ray Allen and they said they had now
identified
that the MK1 Relay actually fails but in one direction only so when the
system is reversed it hides the fault.
They have now (again at 50% cost) have sent a MK2 relay saying that they
have at last identified the original fault. The MK2 is slightly
different in
shape and size and sitting on my desk awaiting fitting.
Pleased to be of service to you with this news...(as usual I am out in
front
where trouble is concerned !)
However I now am most concerned that you aren't preceding me with the
MK2
which is failed? If you would advise me that I'd be obliged.
My system has a panel trim switch and a control stick top trim switch
too.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Rotax 914.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Price
Sent: 01 March 2010 09:00
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk>
Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen
servo.
The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when
used to
trim nose down.
We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
Any thoughts ?
John Price.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288706#288706
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| Subject: | UK and European Europa Flyers. |
Please note in your diaries the Wickenby (EGNW)Wings and Wheels Fly In on
19th and 20th June. Free landings, many exhibits, air displays (Notam for
times),overnight camping
Hope to see you there.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Europa parts |
Try
McFarlane Aviation Products
Manufacturer of Quality Aircraft Parts at Realistic Prices
http://www.mcfarlane-aviation.com/
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa parts
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin,
> Sorry for your parts delay. Karen, Fiona and I
> have all checked with
> the contracted supplier andchoke and throttle
> cableswillnot be
> available until Mid March. (Production date of
> delivery was Mar 15,
> 2010.) Theyare the only supplierwhich can
> make our urgent
> need. I have checked mystores here in the
> states and don't have a
> spare either.Our only recourse was to cobble up parts
> to make a one off,
> from other suppliers which required other parts and a non
> standard setup.
> I advised that this was not the course
> togoand suggested that
> you be advised of the delay.
>
> My apologies if you were not advised of the above
> problem we are having on
> this critical FWF item.
>
> Bud Yerly
> Technical Assistance for Europa Aircraft.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: bmoorhouse
>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> February 23, 2010 7:29
> AM
> Subject:
> Europa-List: Re: Europa
> parts
>
> "bmoorhouse" <barrymoorhouse@btinternet.com>
>
> [quote="kevinmarie(at)blueyonder."]Hi
>
>
> I ordered a pair of throttle cables for my Europa Tri
> gear from Europa (UK) nearly 1 month ago!!!!
>
>
>
> I am still waiting for them is anyone else having supply
> problems.
>
>
> Kevin
> G-ODJG
>
>
> > [b]
>
> Yes - I
> ordered quite a few bits before Christmas - most arrived
> on time (but they
> sent the wrong springs) except for 8 brake pads &
> rivets (I ordered two
> complete sets - 4 for me and 4 for a friend with a
> Europa) and the die set.
> After many excuses the brake pads arrived about 2 weeks
> ago - instead of
> 8 they sent 6 - no die set. Eventually the extra 2
> arrived plus the die set a
> week later.
>
> Total of 5 telephone calls and two emails - they were very
> apologetic and put it down to a reorganization of the
> spares dept and problems
> with suppliers.
>
> They debited my card for everything before Christmas -
> I am not a happy bunny.
>
> --------
> _______________
> Barry
> Moorhouse
> G-JHYS Trigear XS
> Rotax 914 UL
>
>
>
>
> Read this
> topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Electric Trim Problems |
I do have the same problem from the stick mounted switch as well, as I
mentioned I am changing the rocker switch because I had a spare and also as
the start of a process of elimination, just had a response from Ray
Allen.....
Hello,
Sorry to hear of your trim system problems. When a servo trims one way and
not the other, I would suspect a relay problem.
Our REL-2 have much more durable relays inside. It's a little bit larger,
but has the same functionality and wire colors.
You can download our order form and FAX/email it to us. Aircraft Spruce has
our REL-2 available also.
Best regards,
Scott Menziimer
Doesn't say anything about a half price relay but I will probably order one
anyway
Gavin Lee.....#355
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Seaver
(terrys)
Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2010 1:11 p.m.
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<terrys@cisco.com>
We have been having problems with sticking trim, both directions, but
only from the rocker switch in the instrument panel. The trim buttons
on our pilot's stick never seem to have that problem. Since both sets
of switches are connected to the same circuit at the relay deck, It
seems that it would have to be a bad switch, not the relay deck. Only
if sticking were from both switch positions would I expect it to be a
relay deck problem.
Any comments would be appreciated, since I am just about to replace the
panel mounted rocker switch.
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin &
Anne
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
Hi Bob and John
This is very coincidental, I am just in the process of fitting a new RS2
rocker switch on the panel because of a sticking trim. As you say it
sticks
when trimming down and I have to reverse the direction to rectify the
situation. I had a spare rocker switch from some time ago when I had a
trim
runaway and bought a new switch but it never recurred so didn't fit it.
I also run the system with a stick top grip through a RayAllen relay
deck,
probably the mark one which I have had for some time
What you are saying is that the Relay is the problem.
I'll email RayAllen and see what they say
Thanks
Gavin Lee....... ZK-EPA #355
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 11:05 p.m.
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! John.
Yes I can tell you all about it and most who fly with me can also!
I had this problem initially a number of years ago and the Ray Allen
people
assured me it must be a wiring failure, the hassle proving all the
circuitry
needs to be done to be believed. Still the failure was intermittently
present. Next I had to remove the servo (fortunately I had built in a
facility which locked the servo locating bolt heads enabling the nuts to
be
removed from the rear...in anticipation of needing it out!) I returned
it to
Ray Allen Company where they failed to reproduce the symptoms. In my
case
the failure was identical to yours and I found much to my horror that if
I
let go of the control stick and trimmed fully nose up (scary because you
wouldn't land it like that and the forces on the stabilators and rear
controls are phenomenal)it then will be possible to reverse the trim
motor.
They returned the servo after checking and for good measure included a
replacement MK1 relay for 50% of the normal price.
I refitted the servo and also replaced the relay. The problem had been
cured.
Some considerable time ensued before the identical problem returned.
I have reported this to the Ray Allen and they said they had now
identified
that the MK1 Relay actually fails but in one direction only so when the
system is reversed it hides the fault.
They have now (again at 50% cost) have sent a MK2 relay saying that they
have at last identified the original fault. The MK2 is slightly
different in
shape and size and sitting on my desk awaiting fitting.
Pleased to be of service to you with this news...(as usual I am out in
front
where trouble is concerned !)
However I now am most concerned that you aren't preceding me with the
MK2
which is failed? If you would advise me that I'd be obliged.
My system has a panel trim switch and a control stick top trim switch
too.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Rotax 914.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Price
Sent: 01 March 2010 09:00
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Trim Problems
<nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk>
Any help on this one would be gratefully received.
Classic Monowheel G-SHSH now flying for over 6 years.
We have now an intermittent fault on the electric trim.
The controller is by a 'coolie hat' on the stick driving a Ray Allen
servo.
The trim will always work nose up but has an intermittent fault when
used to
trim nose down.
We have replaced the switch and the servo but still the problem remains.
Any thoughts ?
John Price.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288706#288706
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Hi All,
I had this problem and I ended up replacing the Ray Allen stuff with one of
Matt Drallel's trim controllers. Matt's unit can also be set to slow down
the servo speed.
Paul
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I chose the same Unit as Paul, the Matt Dralle Speed Governor for my Europa.
It can be found at: http://www.matronics.com/governor/index.htm and at $67
is excellent value.
If positioned correctly is easy too get to and adjust during the initial
flights of Europa to get a smoother TRIM transition rather than the high
speed operation that seems the normal.
Regards
Gerry
Gerry Holland
07808 402404
gholland@content-stream.co.uk
Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Europa-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Europa-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Europa-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Europa-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
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There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
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select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
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These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
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And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
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BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "europa-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
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will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
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at the following location:
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email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Europa-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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Recent messages posted to the Europa-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Europa-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Europa-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Europa-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Europa-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Europa-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Europa-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
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operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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