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Mon 03/08/10


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     1. 06:56 AM - Naca Vent Position (Steade)
     2. 09:06 AM - Spare blades wanted for NSI CAP140 (Pete Lawless)
     3. 11:59 AM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Mike Parkin)
     4. 11:59 AM - Re: Spare blades wanted for NSI CAP140 == NOW SORTED = WARP DRIVE SUPPLY AND MAXWELL PROPULSION WILL FIT!! (Pete Lawless)
     5. 03:50 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Robert Borger)
     6. 03:50 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Bob Borger)
     7. 05:16 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Fred Klein)
     8. 05:45 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Martin Boyle)
     9. 06:15 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Robert Borger)
    10. 07:19 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Kevin Klinefelter)
    11. 07:23 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (Kevin Klinefelter)
    12. 11:34 PM - Re: Hydraulic brake hose (JR Gowing)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:56:00 AM PST US
    From: "Steade" <steade@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Naca Vent Position
    I'm trying to find the recommended position for the Naca fresh air vents in the front fuselage side. I understand that at one time the factory recommended a position and produced a drawing. From an approval point of view with the LAA it would help considerably if I stayed with this recommendation. If anyone has access to this drawing then a copy would be greatly appreciated. Regards David Steade


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    Time: 09:06:54 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Spare blades wanted for NSI CAP140
    Hi All Due to a woopsy this morning my NSI CAP 140 finds itself short of blades. Does anyone have a set of 62 inch tapered blades they wish to dispose of. I will take a complete CAP 140 if you want to get rid of the lot. Thanks Pete


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    Time: 11:59:44 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Hydraulic brake hose
    Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year. You need, . G-5093-03 Banjo-03 20 deg 10mm. . G-1012-03P 1/8" bsp Banjo Bolt Steel. . CW-02P 1/8" bsp Plain Copper Washer (2 off) http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2936/LE-BANJO-20-3/8-POUR-ALLER-%C3%80-3/ product_info.html http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2083/BANJO-BOLT-1/8-BSP-STEEL/product_inf o.html http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=1%2F8+ bsp+copper+washer I feel sure you must be able to buy these parts in the USA, if not email me and I will sort it for you. Regards, Mike Do not archive. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 06 March 2010 18:24 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hydraulic brake hose Mike, You wouldn't happen to have the specs for that fitting would you? I'm working on my brakes and that fitting would be perfect. Bob Borger Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:58, Mike Parkin <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi, I think that the photograph is one I took of my monowheel brake installation. The hose actually came from France but is readily available from a good hydraulic parts merchant in the UK, as is the banjo coupling. Regards, Mike From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mau11 Sent: 06 March 2010 16:55 Subject: Europa-List: Hydraulic brake hose Hi all, I see this picture on web site but I don't remember where! I am interested to install this hose and banjo on my brake, does anyone know where it is possible to buy this assembly? Thanks _____ mau11 06-03-2010 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:39:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:39:00


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    Time: 11:59:44 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Spare blades wanted for NSI CAP140 == NOW SORTED = WARP
    DRIVE SUPPLY AND MAXWELL PROPULSION WILL FIT!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 08 March 2010 16:58 Subject: Europa-List: Spare blades wanted for NSI CAP140 Hi All Due to a woopsy this morning my NSI CAP 140 finds itself short of blades. Does anyone have a set of 62 inch tapered blades they wish to dispose of. I will take a complete CAP 140 if you want to get rid of the lot. Thanks Pete -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 03:50:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Mike, Thanks for the information. I have placed an order through Merlin as the same hose-end banjo does not seem to be available here in the U.S. I have ordered some other bits from a California distributor which may allow me to keep the original Europa hand brake for the co-pilot use should it become necessary. We'll see how it all works out when all the bits have arrived. Thanks very much, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 13:29, Mike Parkin wrote: > Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, > > I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year. > > You need, > > =B7 G-5093-03 Banjo-03 20 deg 10mm. > =B7 G-1012-03P 1/8=94 bsp Banjo Bolt Steel. > =B7 CW-02P 1/8=94 bsp Plain Copper Washer (2 off) > > http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2936/LE-BANJO-20-3/8-POUR-ALLER-%C3%80- 3/product_info.html > http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2083/BANJO-BOLT-1/8-BSP-STEEL/product_i nfo.html > http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=1% 2F8+bsp+copper+washer > > I feel sure you must be able to buy these parts in the USA, if not email me and I will sort it for you. > > Regards, > > Mike > > Do not archive. > > >


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    Time: 03:50:55 PM PST US
    From: Bob Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Hydraulic brake hose
    Mike, OK, I see what you have there. Yes, the same banjo parts are available here on this side of the pond (http://www.anplumbing.com). I had hoped that what you used was a banjo hose end. Now that I know what you did, I need to locate a proper female AN flared fitting hose end to replace the 90 degree hose end provided. Perhaps I can go to anplumbing.com and find the hose end as they have the banjo, bolt and washers. Thanks muchly for your help, Bob Borger PS - That also means that I can use the same sort of banjo setup on the bottom of the Europa supplied hand master cylinder. That provides interesting opportunities. On Monday, March 08, 2010, at 01:29PM, "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> wrote: >


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    Time: 05:16:15 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    Mike, et al, After following and just now reviewing this thread, I find I'm not clear as to just what the issues are with the stock Europa XS mono brake, apart from the substitution of a stick-mounted motorcycle-type hand grip for the stock, tunnel-mounted, hand brake/master cylinder. I do understand the desirability of having 2 right hands during run-up with the stock setup, and consequently, I fashioned a detent for the hand brake as shown in the attached photo. Whether or not the detent will hold the brake full-on during runup is not known, but for the time being I'm hoping it will serve while I progress w/ other more challenging aspects of my build. So here's a question...If one were to retain the stock XS mono hand brake lever and master cylinder, are there issues with the kit- supplied hydraulic line and its connection to the wheel mounted brake assembly which warrant substitution using the recently posted banjo fittings? Fred A194 On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mike Parkin wrote: > Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, > > I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer > record of what I bought last year. >


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    Time: 05:45:39 PM PST US
    From: "Martin Boyle" <martinboyle53@bigpond.com>
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    Hi Mike if you try this company in USA they can supply most hoses and fittings in steel and stainless steel fittings and hoses as well as rubber hoses Martin http://brakequip.com/tubes.html From: Robert Borger To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hydraulic brake hose Mike, Thanks for the information. I have placed an order through Merlin as the same hose-end banjo does not seem to be available here in the U.S. I have ordered some other bits from a California distributor which may allow me to keep the original Europa hand brake for the co-pilot use should it become necessary. We'll see how it all works out when all the bits have arrived. Thanks very much, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 13:29, Mike Parkin wrote: Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year. You need, =B7 G-5093-03 Banjo-03 20 deg 10mm. =B7 G-1012-03P 1/8=94 bsp Banjo Bolt Steel. =B7 CW-02P 1/8=94 bsp Plain Copper Washer (2 off) http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2936/LE-BANJO-20-3/8-POUR-ALLER-%C3%80 -3/product_info.html http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p2083/BANJO-BOLT-1/8-BSP-STEEL/product_ info.html http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=1 %2F8+bsp+copper+washer I feel sure you must be able to buy these parts in the USA, if not email me and I will sort it for you. Regards, Mike Do not archive.


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    Time: 06:15:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Hi Fred, Ya, the stock factory configuration simply requires too many hands for my complete comfort. It works, but the right hand can be quite busy between the throttle and brake. There's a very fine line on the throttle friction between difficult to operate and having the throttle spring slowly slip the throttle forward. And it isn't the easiest thing to adjust that friction either. Then there's the lack of a parking brake to hold things during run-up. Hold the stick in your knees, the brake in the right hand and reach across with the left to set the throttle. The one-armed paper hanger comes to mind. The stick mounted master solves all those problems easily. There are no issues on the brake end of things if you stick with the stock setup. The issue arises when you want to switch out to the stick mounted brake. All the brake fittings are straight threads not pipe threads so AN816 nipple adaptors from NPT to Flared Tube don't work. But a nice banjo fitting with banjo bolt work just jim dandy. I'll be posting a few pics from my trials and tribulations as soon as I send this . Hope this helps, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 14:57, Fred Klein wrote: > Mike, et al, > > After following and just now reviewing this thread, I find I'm not clear as to just what the issues are with the stock Europa XS mono brake, apart from the substitution of a stick-mounted motorcycle-type hand grip for the stock, tunnel-mounted, hand brake/master cylinder. > > I do understand the desirability of having 2 right hands during run-up with the stock setup, and consequently, I fashioned a detent for the hand brake as shown in the attached photo. Whether or not the detent will hold the brake full-on during runup is not known, but for the time being I'm hoping it will serve while I progress w/ other more challenging aspects of my build. > > So here's a question...If one were to retain the stock XS mono hand brake lever and master cylinder, are there issues with the kit-supplied hydraulic line and its connection to the wheel mounted brake assembly which warrant substitution using the recently posted banjo fittings? > > Fred > A194<DSCN0079.jpg> > > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mike Parkin wrote: > >> Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, >> >> I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year. >>


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    Time: 07:19:41 PM PST US
    From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    Have you considered the Matco parking brake valve? I was told of it during the build by others, and am very pleased with the way it functions. It holds the brake on for days. I can do a full power runnup and it holds, no hands! I hold the stick between the knees so the left hand can operate the mag switches. Will you also have the factory brake master which can be operated from the right seat? Kevin Then there's the lack of a parking brake to hold things during run-up. Hold the stick in your knees, the brake in the right hand and reach across with the left to set the throttle. The one-armed paper hanger comes to mind. There are no issues on the brake end of things if you stick with the stock setup. The issue arises when you want to switch out to the stick mounted brake. All the brake fittings are straight threads not pipe threads so AN816 nipple adaptors from NPT to Flared Tube don't work. But a nice banjo fitting with banjo bolt work just jim dandy. I'll be posting a few pics from my trials and tribulations as soon as I send this . Hope this helps, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 14:57, Fred Klein wrote: Mike, et al, After following and just now reviewing this thread, I find I'm not clear as to just what the issues are with the stock Europa XS mono brake, apart from the substitution of a stick-mounted motorcycle-type hand grip for the stock, tunnel-mounted, hand brake/master cylinder. I do understand the desirability of having 2 right hands during run-up with the stock setup, and consequently, I fashioned a detent for the hand brake as shown in the attached photo. Whether or not the detent will hold the brake full-on during runup is not known, but for the time being I'm hoping it will serve while I progress w/ other more challenging aspects of my build. So here's a question...If one were to retain the stock XS mono hand brake lever and master cylinder, are there issues with the kit-supplied hydraulic line and its connection to the wheel mounted brake assembly which warrant substitution using the recently posted banjo fittings? Fred A194<DSCN0079.jpg> On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mike Parkin wrote: Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year.


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    Time: 07:23:17 PM PST US
    From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    Have you considered the Matco parking brake valve? I was told of it during the build by others, and am very pleased with the way it functions. It holds the brake on for days. I can do a full power runnup and it holds, no hands! I hold the stick between the knees so the left hand can operate the mag switches. Will you also have the factory brake master which can be operated from the right seat? Kevin Then there's the lack of a parking brake to hold things during run-up. Hold the stick in your knees, the brake in the right hand and reach across with the left to set the throttle. The one-armed paper hanger comes to mind. There are no issues on the brake end of things if you stick with the stock setup. The issue arises when you want to switch out to the stick mounted brake. All the brake fittings are straight threads not pipe threads so AN816 nipple adaptors from NPT to Flared Tube don't work. But a nice banjo fitting with banjo bolt work just jim dandy. I'll be posting a few pics from my trials and tribulations as soon as I send this . Hope this helps, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 14:57, Fred Klein wrote: Mike, et al, After following and just now reviewing this thread, I find I'm not clear as to just what the issues are with the stock Europa XS mono brake, apart from the substitution of a stick-mounted motorcycle-type hand grip for the stock, tunnel-mounted, hand brake/master cylinder. I do understand the desirability of having 2 right hands during run-up with the stock setup, and consequently, I fashioned a detent for the hand brake as shown in the attached photo. Whether or not the detent will hold the brake full-on during runup is not known, but for the time being I'm hoping it will serve while I progress w/ other more challenging aspects of my build. So here's a question...If one were to retain the stock XS mono hand brake lever and master cylinder, are there issues with the kit-supplied hydraulic line and its connection to the wheel mounted brake assembly which warrant substitution using the recently posted banjo fittings? Fred A194<DSCN0079.jpg> On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mike Parkin wrote: Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year.


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    Time: 11:34:59 PM PST US
    From: "JR Gowing" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Hydraulic brake hose
    Bob It used to be said that you have a tethered wedge to drop into the space vacated when you apply the brake and this will hold the pressure. JR kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Borger To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Hydraulic brake hose Hi Fred, Ya, the stock factory configuration simply requires too many hands for my complete comfort. It works, but the right hand can be quite busy between the throttle and brake. There's a very fine line on the throttle friction between difficult to operate and having the throttle spring slowly slip the throttle forward. And it isn't the easiest thing to adjust that friction either. Then there's the lack of a parking brake to hold things during run-up. Hold the stick in your knees, the brake in the right hand and reach across with the left to set the throttle. The one-armed paper hanger comes to mind. The stick mounted master solves all those problems easily. There are no issues on the brake end of things if you stick with the stock setup. The issue arises when you want to switch out to the stick mounted brake. All the brake fittings are straight threads not pipe threads so AN816 nipple adaptors from NPT to Flared Tube don't work. But a nice banjo fitting with banjo bolt work just jim dandy. I'll be posting a few pics from my trials and tribulations as soon as I send this . Hope this helps, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 8, 2010, at 14:57, Fred Klein wrote: Mike, et al, After following and just now reviewing this thread, I find I'm not clear as to just what the issues are with the stock Europa XS mono brake, apart from the substitution of a stick-mounted motorcycle-type hand grip for the stock, tunnel-mounted, hand brake/master cylinder. I do understand the desirability of having 2 right hands during run-up with the stock setup, and consequently, I fashioned a detent for the hand brake as shown in the attached photo. Whether or not the detent will hold the brake full-on during runup is not known, but for the time being I'm hoping it will serve while I progress w/ other more challenging aspects of my build. So here's a question...If one were to retain the stock XS mono hand brake lever and master cylinder, are there issues with the kit-supplied hydraulic line and its connection to the wheel mounted brake assembly which warrant substitution using the recently posted banjo fittings? Fred A194<DSCN0079.jpg> On Mar 8, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mike Parkin wrote: Hello Bob and anyone else wanting the monowheel brake info, I went to the hydraulic store to day, fortunately he had a computer record of what I bought last year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/08/10 19:33:00




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