---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/20/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. (JR Gowing) 2. 02:21 AM - Re: Europa UK parts supply (Stephan Cassel) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 4. 07:45 AM - Re: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. (Robert Borger) 5. 08:25 AM - Rudden push rod (Frans Veldman) 6. 09:34 AM - Re: Rudder push rod (Robert Borger) 7. 11:34 AM - Re: wrape drive propeller for sale (david_charlesworth@talk21.com) 8. 01:17 PM - Re: Rudden push rod (Pete Lawless) 9. 03:44 PM - Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning (David Stanbridge) 10. 11:29 PM - Re : wrape drive propeller for sale (NEEL Jean Philippe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:26 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. I support Fred Klein's view and hope they continue to prosper! JR (Bob) Gowing in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. > > Given the state of the global economy, the plethora of new designs, > and the extreme competitiveness in the LSA and kitplane markets, I > want to support the new Europa company in every way I can. I am very > grateful that Dave Stanbridge, Roger, and John Wheeler were able to > come to terms in a manner which allowed the company to continue > operations and hopefully prosper in the future. The initiatives taken > are just now beginning to bear fruit, and I certainly support > reasonable good business practices. I recognise that sourcing parts > and maintaining inventories is a constant challenge. > > I'm reminded of that old saw about how to make a small fortune in > general aviation...the answer of course being that you start with a > large fortune...challenging indeed! > > I save my wrath against the corporate world to slather on Wall > Streeters, Ponzi Schemers, and the Gnomes of Zurich. > > Fred > A194 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 22:07:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:22 AM PST US From: "Stephan Cassel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa UK parts supply Barry and all,I aggree!Last month I ordered some spare parts to my mono.Two days later parts were delivered, by DHL, at my office in Norway.Fiona, at Europa, is a very serviced minded person.RegardsStephanLN-STE MONO 210+ hours ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:43 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. I too think we need to help Europa factory succeed. Those of you who rememb er my tail wheel/ rudder drive mod which reverts to push rod drive for the rudder will be pleased to note that the factory are now supplying the mod k it. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the loads on the rudder hin ges and flanges.=0Aregards =0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________ ________=0AFrom: Fred Klein =0ATo: europa-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Saturday, 20 March, 2010 3:37:42=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning.=0A=0A--> Europa-List messa ge posted by: Fred Klein =0A=0AGiven the state of t he global economy, the plethora of new designs, and the extreme competitive ness in the LSA and kitplane markets, I want to support the new Europa comp any in every way I can. I am very grateful that Dave Stanbridge, Roger, and John Wheeler were able to come to terms in a manner which allowed the comp any to continue operations and hopefully prosper in the future. The initiat ives taken are just now beginning to bear fruit, and I certainly support re asonable good business practices. I recognise that sourcing parts and maint aining inventories is a constant challenge.=0A=0AI'm reminded of that old saw about how to make a small fortune in general aviation...the answer of c ourse being that you start with a large fortune...challenging indeed!=0A=0A I save my wrath against the corporate world to slather on Wall Streeters, P ============ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. From: Robert Borger Europaphiles, I'll have to add my tuppence in support of Europa. Many businesses have some sort of restocking fee associated with the return of expensive and specialized products. I can sympathize with FlyingPhil. I lost over =A310K in promised goods back when Europa went bust. It all had to be purchased again from the vendors, most of whom also lost big. To say I was p-o'd would be an understatement. The treatment received by the receiver company was crap to say the least. That's in the past now. The Stanbridge group has worked very hard to restore Europa and make a going concern out of it. New products, new development and, considering the business climate these days, good support have been provided. Cut them some slack, as we say over here, and continue to support them so they may continue to support us. As for Graham's tail drive mod, I have it. It installs easily and it certainly does reduce the loads on the both the rudder hinges and the tailwheel. I would recommend it. Just keep the cables to the tailwheel tight! Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 20, 2010, at 6:25, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > I too think we need to help Europa factory succeed. Those of you who remember my tail wheel/ rudder drive mod which reverts to push rod drive for the rudder will be pleased to note that the factory are now supplying the mod kit. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the loads on the rudder hinges and flanges. > regards > Graham > > From: Fred Klein > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, 20 March, 2010 3:37:42 > Subject: Europa-List: Re:Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning. > > > Given the state of the global economy, the plethora of new designs, and the extreme competitiveness in the LSA and kitplane markets, I want to support the new Europa company in every way I can. I am very grateful that Dave Stanbridge, Roger, and John Wheeler were able to come to terms in a manner which allowed the company to continue operations and hopefully prosper in the future. The initiatives taken are just now beginning to bear fruit, and I certainly support reasonable good business practices. I recognise that sourcing parts and maintaining inventories is a constant challenge. > > I'm reminded of that old saw about how to make a small fortune in general aviation...the answer of course being that you start with a large fortune...challenging indeed! > > I save my wrath against the corporate world to slather on Wall Streeters, Ponzi Schemers, and ... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:36 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Europa-List: Rudden push rod On 03/20/2010 12:25 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > I too think we need to help Europa factory succeed. Those of you who > remember my tail wheel/ rudder drive mod which reverts to push rod drive > for the rudder will be pleased to note that the factory are now > supplying the mod kit. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the > loads on the rudder hinges and flanges. I remember having seen a Europa classic tri gear with a rudder push rod rather than the cable setup. I wondered whether this was a classic feature, and why it was abandoned, because my kit came with the (ugly) cable setup. Was this part of your tailwheel mod? Although my Europa is finished, I would still like to see the details (and maybe it is possible to convert). That starboard external cable and horn don't really belong on such a sleek aircraft. Frans ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudder push rod From: Robert Borger Frans, It's not impossible to do the Singleton Rudder Push Rod Mod in your completed aircraft, but it sure would be uncomfortable doing those parts of the installation on the bulkhead way back in the tail cone. You can go to my build gallery (URL below), album Year #3 Q1 2004, Page 2 to see what all is involved in the Mod. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 Aircraft Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Mar 20, 2010, at 10:24, Frans Veldman wrote: > > On 03/20/2010 12:25 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: >> I too think we need to help Europa factory succeed. Those of you who >> remember my tail wheel/ rudder drive mod which reverts to push rod drive >> for the rudder will be pleased to note that the factory are now >> supplying the mod kit. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the >> loads on the rudder hinges and flanges. > > I remember having seen a Europa classic tri gear with a rudder push rod > rather than the cable setup. I wondered whether this was a classic > feature, and why it was abandoned, because my kit came with the (ugly) > cable setup. > Was this part of your tailwheel mod? > Although my Europa is finished, I would still like to see the details > (and maybe it is possible to convert). That starboard external cable and > horn don't really belong on such a sleek aircraft. > > Frans > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:31 AM PST US From: david_charlesworth@talk21.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: wrape drive propeller for sale Hi, - How much are you looking for? --- On Fri, 19/3/10, NEEL Jean Philippe wrote: From: NEEL Jean Philippe Subject: Europa-List: wrape drive propeller for sale Hi all, I have a three blade ground ajustable wrap drive propeller for sale. It fle w 410 h on my Europa 80 hp-before I-buy an in flight ajustable prop. If interested: jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr - JP Neel Europa F-PSLH - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:49 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rudden push rod Hi Frans The rudder pushrod was part of the early kits with the original tailwheel, which had a fitting for the tailwheel bolted on the front face of the rear bulkhead. If you really fancy it I should think you may find someone with an old tailwheel to sell, though it is now a long time since they were superseded. It would be a real pig of a job as you would be working in the back of the fuselage and would need access to the rear face of the rear bulkhead. Also the fitting is quite heavy. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 20 March 2010 15:24 Subject: Europa-List: Rudden push rod On 03/20/2010 12:25 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > I too think we need to help Europa factory succeed. Those of you who > remember my tail wheel/ rudder drive mod which reverts to push rod drive > for the rudder will be pleased to note that the factory are now > supplying the mod kit. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the > loads on the rudder hinges and flanges. I remember having seen a Europa classic tri gear with a rudder push rod rather than the cable setup. I wondered whether this was a classic feature, and why it was abandoned, because my kit came with the (ugly) cable setup. Was this part of your tailwheel mod? Although my Europa is finished, I would still like to see the details (and maybe it is possible to convert). That starboard external cable and horn don't really belong on such a sleek aircraft. Frans -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:54 PM PST US From: David Stanbridge Subject: Europa-List: Europa parts supply - 'Handling fee' warning To all, I would just like to take this opportunity to thank you for the support for Europa. Just to keep you abreast of some of the changes: 1. By the end of this financial year (April 5th) we will be operating a new stock control / parts system. As well as enabling us to auto order stock (so that we never run low) and deliver faster, on a practical level it will for instance enable us to provide photos of all of the items to ensure that going forward we can provide the parts right first time. 2. The production facilities at Kirkbymoorside are close to completion in terms of a revamp that will enable us to obtain EASA Production Organisation Approval (POA) so that we can start manufacturing certified aircraft. As they stand now you can almost eat your dinner off the floor of both the machine and composite manufacturing shop. 3. The POA will be complemented by an EASA Design Organisation Approval so that we can start "officially" designing certified aircraft. Obviously this will also lead to better all round technical support for the Europa aircraft. Along the way there are bound to be some frustrations and we are not here to bite the hand off anyone. We just want to ensure that Europa is a going concern for many years to come and to offer support and further enhancements for the existing and the future Europa fleet. Thank you, Dave Stanbridge ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:18 PM PST US From: NEEL Jean Philippe Subject: Re : Europa-List: wrape drive propeller for sale Bonjour=0AThe price is 380=82=AC plus shipping cost=0ABonne journ=C3=A9e =0AJP=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADe : "david_charleswort h@talk21.com" =0A=C3 : europa-list@matron ics.com=0AEnvoy=C3=A9 le : Sam 20 mars 2010, 19 h 11 min 50 s=0AObjet=C2- : Re: Europa-List: wrape drive propeller for sale=0A=0A=0AHi,=0A=0AHow much are you looking for?=0A=0A--- On Fri, 19/3/10, NEEL Jean Philippe wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: NEEL Jean Philippe =0A>Subject: Europa-List: wrape drive propeller for sale=0A>To : europa-list@matronics.com=0A>Date: Friday, 19 March, 2010, 16:56=0A>=0A> =0A>Hi all,=0A>I have a three blade ground ajustable wrap drive propeller f or sale. It flew 410 h on my Europa 80 hp=C2-before I=C2-buy an in flig ht ajustable prop.=0A>If interested: jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr=0A>=0A>JP Ne =========================0A ====0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.