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1. 01:49 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/22/10 (jansambrook)
2. 03:58 AM - Re: Re: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection to Tailplane Push Rod (Raimo Toivio)
3. 11:05 AM - Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation (Robert C Harrison)
4. 12:25 PM - Re: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation (Mike Parkin)
5. 01:09 PM - Re: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation (rampil)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation (Robert C Harrison)
7. 04:05 PM - Full Panel (Tony Renshaw)
8. 05:18 PM - Re: Full Panel (Robert Borger)
9. 05:58 PM - Europa Parts ()
10. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection to Tailplane Push Rod (JR Gowing)
11. 08:32 PM - Kit A287 Is up for sale (David Legge)
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| Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/22/10 |
Please could you re-direct my e-mails to martin@thesambrooks.net
Many thanks
Martin Sambrook
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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/21/10 (Alain
CHABERT)
2. 09:22 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/21/10 (Alain
CHABERT)
3. 09:24 AM - Re: Door hinges to fuselage (William Daniell)
4. 09:42 AM - Re: Sun&Fun (Jeff B)
5. 12:07 PM - Re: Door hinges to fuselage (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
6. 02:55 PM - Re: Sun&Fun (rampil)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 05:09:06 AM PST US
From: Alain CHABERT <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/21/10
Hi Sir,
No problem
You can see pictures of my installation on the following link
http://picasaweb.google.fr/100792040144909027310/PAMod?authkey=Gv1sRgCLaguP_
C9dHP9wE#
A.Chabert
> Time: 05:47:32 PM PST US
> From: "JR Gowing"<jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: AUtopilot
>
>
> Alain
>
> Do you conveniently have a photo of the servo connection to share please?
>
> JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alain CHABERT"<alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: AUtopilot
>
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I installed mine (TrioAvionics) in February 2008 and it works without
>> problem since 120 h.
>> I just have to refine the setting of altitude, but it's a detail.
>> The servo is installed on the floor behind the baggage bulkhead, and a
>> tube of 1 "(same as the aileron push rod) connects the servo to a piece
>> on TP9 which reduces the effort of the servo.
>> Photos available for those who wish.
>> A.Chabert
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 09:22:18 AM PST US
From: Alain CHABERT <alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/21/10
Hi Sir,
No problem
You can see pictures of my installation on the following link
http://picasaweb.google.fr/100792040144909027310/PAMod?authkey=Gv1sRgCLaguP_
C9dHP9wE#
A.Chabert
> Time: 05:47:32 PM PST US
> From: "JR Gowing"<jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: AUtopilot
>
>
> Alain
>
> Do you conveniently have a photo of the servo connection to share please?
>
> JR (Bob) Gowing Kit 327 in Oz
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alain CHABERT"<alainchabert@wanadoo.fr>
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: AUtopilot
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I installed mine (TrioAvionics) in February 2008 and it works without
>> problem since 120 h.
>> I just have to refine the setting of altitude, but it's a detail.
>> The servo is installed on the floor behind the baggage bulkhead, and a
>> tube of 1 "(same as the aileron push rod) connects the servo to a piece
>> on TP9 which reduces the effort of the servo.
>> Photos available for those who wish.
>> A.Chabert
>>
>>
>>
>
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 09:24:55 AM PST US
From: William Daniell <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door hinges to fuselage
thanks ron
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
> Hi Will
> "So shoot bolts first and then hinges?"
> I didn't install shoot bolt guides, just made holes in fuse so shoot
> bolts can lock door in place. Yes shoot bolt holes before hinges
> allows easy registritration when fitting of door the gazillion times
> you need to take on and off. BTW using tape as a pattern allows you to
> trim door very close first shot. Pics on link I sent you.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 09:42:20 AM PST US
From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun&Fun
Wife and I are going. Leaving BTR about the 11th, weather dependent.
You're welcome to drop in, if you like. You'll likely be flying right
over us...
Jeff - Baby Blue
500 hours
On 3/21/2010 6:04 PM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> I'm making plans to fly N211KA to Florida from California for S&F.
> Anybody else going?
> Kevin
> XS mono 914
>
> *
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>
> *
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 12:07:26 PM PST US
From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door hinges to fuselage
Will-
I think most of us required shims under the hinges to set the door even wit
h the fuselage top.=C2- I find it easiest to use BID in the hinge rebate
to get the spacing right.=C2- By doing so, you get some additional "bang
for your buck" in that the BID adds reinforcement to the hinge bed, as well
as being able to closely control the thickness of the shim by the number o
f layers of BID applied.=C2- I followed the same practice with my rudder
hinges.=C2- As far as the shot bolts, I found the procedure in the manual
worked fine.=C2- I installed the hinges first, then the bolts=C2-in th
e doors, then put a little paint on the end of the shot bolt, held the door
closed , closed the latch to mark the door rebates on the fuselage, then
=C2-drilled and filed the fuselage until the bushings were slightly free
floating in the hole when the door was closed with the bolt inserted.=C2-
I then heavily greased the shot bolts, closed the door and REDUXed the bus
hings.=C2- It worked just fine.=C2- Getting the hinge rebates=C2-and
the hinge tangs fit correctly was a real nuisance.=C2- I must have had th
e doors on and off 50 times.=C2-
Jim Puglise A-283=C2- =C2-=C2-
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:00:31 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Door hinges to fuselage
Dear all
My=C2- door hinges require a spacer of 3mm - presumably -=C2- ply and -
=C2- presumably - glassed in on the fuselage (bottom hinge) in order to f
it properly...my question was is this normal and if so where in the manual
was the instruction to do this?
Will
=
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 02:55:25 PM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun&Fun
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Looks like I'll be attending.
Not sure if ride will be Europa, RV8, or B737 yet
Looking forward to it!
Ira
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection to Tailplane |
Push Rod
Bob,
I think there is also some green stuff like Redux.
So my guess is it is bonded also.
I did connection by clamping and bonding (by Casco strong epoxy metal),
did not want to make any holes and rivet.
Raimo #417
----- Original Message -----
From: JR Gowing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 2:15 AM
Subject: (SPAM) Re: Europa-List: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection
to Tailplane Push Rod
Klaus
I see that your connection to the tailplane pushrod uses two hose
clamps
to hold the necessary bracket to the pushrod. - Please advise me - Is
this
connection just a friction grip onto the pushrod or is there some
hidden
extra to provide a non-slip connection.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: klaus dietrich
To: MJKTuck@cs.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: AUtopilot
Martin,
I have installed the truetrack AP two years ago with two servos and
it works perfectly!
You can see pictures of the installation here:
http://picasaweb.google.at/kdietric1/EuropaAP?authkey=Gv1sRgCN_KjL_1rPb
cgwE&feat=directlink
If you need further info please call me!
All the best,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation |
Hi! UK Opertors.
Here's the latest CAA Edict :-
Approval Under a Derogation Authorised Pursuant to Article 8(3) of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991 In Respect of OPS 1.652(C) Sensitive Pressure
Altimeter Having Counter Drum-pointer or Equivalent Presentation
1) A Commission Decision dated 3 March 2010 authorises the United Kingdom to
derogate
from Annex III of Council Regulation (EC) No. 3922/1991 ("EU-OPS") with
respect to
OPS 1.652(c). The Commission Decision is annexed to this approval.
2) In accordance with that Commission Decision and pursuant to article 8(3)
of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991, the Civil Aviation Authority on behalf of
the United
Kingdom approves, in derogation from the provisions of OPS 1.652(c), any
operator
operating under an Air Operator's Certificate issued in accordance with
EU-OPS to
operate at or below 10,000 feet/flight level 100 with aeroplanes equipped
with two
sensitive pressure altimeters calibrated in feet with sub-scale settings,
calibrated in
hetropascals/millibars, adjusted for any barometric pressure likely to be
set during flight
without having counter drum-pointer or equivalent presentation.
3) This approval is granted subject to the operator implementing measures
acceptable to
the Civil Aviation Authority to ensure that flight crews are aware of and
trained to read
correctly the type of altimeters referred to in paragraph 2 in normal and
abnormal
circumstances.
4) This approval shall have effect from the date hereof, until varied,
suspended or revoked.
G B Parker
For the Civil Aviation Authority
16 March
Can anyone please enlighten me as to what the "bare bones" of this means,
please.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation |
Hi Bob,
It means that UK Public Transport Operators have an exemption to operate
with the older altimeters that are not approved under JAR OPS.
The altimeters that comply with ICAO and JAR OPS 1 are the counter
drum-pointer display which display digital altitude with the resolution of
100ft.
What does it mean to you.......
Nothing,
You are not public transport operating under an Air Operators Certificate.
You do not operate your aircraft under JAR OPS...... there's lucky.
Regards,
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: 23 March 2010 18:01
Subject: Europa-List: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! UK Opertors.
Here's the latest CAA Edict :-
Approval Under a Derogation Authorised Pursuant to Article 8(3) of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991 In Respect of OPS 1.652(C) Sensitive Pressure
Altimeter Having Counter Drum-pointer or Equivalent Presentation
1) A Commission Decision dated 3 March 2010 authorises the United Kingdom to
derogate
from Annex III of Council Regulation (EC) No. 3922/1991 ("EU-OPS") with
respect to
OPS 1.652(c). The Commission Decision is annexed to this approval.
2) In accordance with that Commission Decision and pursuant to article 8(3)
of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991, the Civil Aviation Authority on behalf of
the United
Kingdom approves, in derogation from the provisions of OPS 1.652(c), any
operator
operating under an Air Operator's Certificate issued in accordance with
EU-OPS to
operate at or below 10,000 feet/flight level 100 with aeroplanes equipped
with two
sensitive pressure altimeters calibrated in feet with sub-scale settings,
calibrated in
hetropascals/millibars, adjusted for any barometric pressure likely to be
set during flight
without having counter drum-pointer or equivalent presentation.
3) This approval is granted subject to the operator implementing measures
acceptable to
the Civil Aviation Authority to ensure that flight crews are aware of and
trained to read
correctly the type of altimeters referred to in paragraph 2 in normal and
abnormal
circumstances.
4) This approval shall have effect from the date hereof, until varied,
suspended or revoked.
G B Parker
For the Civil Aviation Authority
16 March
Can anyone please enlighten me as to what the "bare bones" of this means,
please.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
07:33:00
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| Subject: | Re: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation |
Ah!
A perfect example of how a common language divides the UK and the
US!!!
If even Englishmen in the UK can't understand it, what are those Brussellonians
up to?
"Approval Under a Derogation Authorised Pursuant to Article 8(3) of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991 In Respect of OPS 1.652(C) Sensitive Pressure
Altimeter Having Counter Drum-pointer or Equivalent Presentation
1) A Commission Decision dated 3 March 2010 authorises the United Kingdom to
derogate from Annex III of Council Regulation (EC) No. 3922/1991 ("EU-OPS") with
respect to OPS 1.652(c). The Commission Decision is annexed to this approval.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation |
Thanks Mike.! I can delete it then! However as has been drummed into me
ignorance is no protection from the law !
Bob H G-PTAG
Do not archive.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 23 March 2010 19:23
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation
<mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Hi Bob,
It means that UK Public Transport Operators have an exemption to operate
with the older altimeters that are not approved under JAR OPS.
The altimeters that comply with ICAO and JAR OPS 1 are the counter
drum-pointer display which display digital altitude with the resolution of
100ft.
What does it mean to you.......
Nothing,
You are not public transport operating under an Air Operators Certificate.
You do not operate your aircraft under JAR OPS...... there's lucky.
Regards,
Mike
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: 23 March 2010 18:01
Subject: Europa-List: Altimeter settings /configuration UK derogation
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! UK Opertors.
Here's the latest CAA Edict :-
Approval Under a Derogation Authorised Pursuant to Article 8(3) of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991 In Respect of OPS 1.652(C) Sensitive Pressure
Altimeter Having Counter Drum-pointer or Equivalent Presentation
1) A Commission Decision dated 3 March 2010 authorises the United Kingdom to
derogate
from Annex III of Council Regulation (EC) No. 3922/1991 ("EU-OPS") with
respect to
OPS 1.652(c). The Commission Decision is annexed to this approval.
2) In accordance with that Commission Decision and pursuant to article 8(3)
of Council
Regulation (EEC) No. 3922/1991, the Civil Aviation Authority on behalf of
the United
Kingdom approves, in derogation from the provisions of OPS 1.652(c), any
operator
operating under an Air Operator's Certificate issued in accordance with
EU-OPS to
operate at or below 10,000 feet/flight level 100 with aeroplanes equipped
with two
sensitive pressure altimeters calibrated in feet with sub-scale settings,
calibrated in
hetropascals/millibars, adjusted for any barometric pressure likely to be
set during flight
without having counter drum-pointer or equivalent presentation.
3) This approval is granted subject to the operator implementing measures
acceptable to
the Civil Aviation Authority to ensure that flight crews are aware of and
trained to read
correctly the type of altimeters referred to in paragraph 2 in normal and
abnormal
circumstances.
4) This approval shall have effect from the date hereof, until varied,
suspended or revoked.
G B Parker
For the Civil Aviation Authority
16 March
Can anyone please enlighten me as to what the "bare bones" of this means,
please.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Gidday,
I am all over the shop, to coin a phrase, but in the mean time I am trying to gather
thoughts on a panel. Now I have seen Bob Borger's full width panel on EuropaOwners,
and others, but am unsure if these have all been individually made,
or whether Europa now sells them. There is a Tri Gear Instrument which I reckon
still has the parcel shelf, and then there is a Blank Panel Full Depth Avionics
Panel. I reckon neither of these are probably full "width" panels, so what
I really want is some pictures somewhere of how guys have done this mod, or
in fact whether someone sells a completed full "width" panel?
Reg
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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Tony,
The full-width instrument panel was purchased from Flight Crafters. ( http://www.flightcrafters.com/ ) You'll have to contact them to see if they can make one for you.
Best regards,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Mar 23, 2010, at 17:53, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> I am all over the shop, to coin a phrase, but in the mean time I am trying to
gather thoughts on a panel. Now I have seen Bob Borger's full width panel on
EuropaOwners, and others, but am unsure if these have all been individually made,
or whether Europa now sells them. There is a Tri Gear Instrument which I reckon
still has the parcel shelf, and then there is a Blank Panel Full Depth Avionics
Panel. I reckon neither of these are probably full "width" panels, so
what I really want is some pictures somewhere of how guys have done this mod,
or in fact whether someone sells a completed full "width" panel?
> Reg
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
>
>
>
>
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Europa Builders,
Flight Crafters has several Europa parts that may be of use to builders.
1 CS10 Anodized crosstube
2 CS09
2 Anodized Aileron Push Rods with rod ends installed
2 W16P
2 CS08
1 Preglassed fwd fuel tank support
2 CS15P
1 New Aluminum Airmaster Spinner with bulkheads
1 Tri-Gear Main Gear leg
1 Set Tailplane Cores
1 set Classic Cowlings
1 set Bronze Windows
1 Completed Tailkit including trim tabs, rudder, tailplanes and torque tube
Several Flap cores
2 Rudder Cores
2 XS Spinners with bulkheads
Miscl small hardware parts
Parts are taking up space so make me a ridiculous offer and take it away. If your
planning on attending Sun n Fun arrangments can be made for pick up or viewing
at our facility.
Please contact me off line or my cell 813 695-1120
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
40417 Chancey Rd.
Zephyrhills, FL. 33542
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| Subject: | Re: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection to Tailplane |
Push Rod
Raimo
I also don't want to bore holes
JR Gowing 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: AUtopilot - Question re- Connection to Tail
plane Push Rod
Bob,
I think there is also some green stuff like Redux.
So my guess is it is bonded also.
I did connection by clamping and bonding (by Casco strong epoxy metal), d
id not want to make any holes and rivet.
Raimo #417
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| Subject: | Kit A287 Is up for sale |
Hello All,
Regretfully I need to part with my still in progress Europa XS Tri-Gear
kit due to a divorce. It is Kit number A287. I began work on it back in
2004 and halted work in 2008. The asking price is 27,000. The Kit
includes the bubble canopy option, and the firewall forward kit.
Wings are ready for closeout
Cockpit module is installed
The gear is installed
Tailplane is built and ready for finishing
Instrument panel fitted
flight controls installed with the exception of the rudder cables.
Rudder is glassed hinges installed.
Ailerons installed.
David Legge
1197-C E. Los Angeles Ave.
#169
Simi Valley, CA 93065
scvplane@gmail.com
Phone: 818-949-8218
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