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1. 12:18 AM - Re: MONOlogue (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 01:49 AM - Re: MONOlogue (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
3. 02:41 AM - Re: MONOlogue (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 02:41 AM - Re: MONOlogue (Kingsley Hurst)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: outrigger wheels (Kevin Klinefelter)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: outrigger wheels (Fred Klein)
7. 11:04 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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You're right, I did miss your point. I'll go back to hibernation mode =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mike Parkin <mikenjuli
e.parkin@btinternet.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday,
1 April, 2010 6:41:27=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: MONOlogue=0A=0A =0AGraham
,=0A =0AI think you missed my point. The air load I was referring to=0Awas
the airstream acting on the lower part of the outrigger leg, preventing th
e=0Aleg from moving forward that last bit to allow the outrigger latch to o
perate. =0AIt may not be airloads, but there certainly is something that o
ccasionally=0Aprevents the outrigger locking down until the IAS reduces. I
t has occurred a=0Acouple of times on G-JULZ and I recall other people repo
rting similar=0Ahappenings on the this site.=0AMy concern with the air stru
t is that its action is in an opposite=0Adirection to the forward locking m
otion. But what do I know, it may work=0Abrilliantly. In flight, G-JULZ d
oes not appear to have any noticeable droop. =0AThe problem is only an aest
hetic one for outside observers, you cannot see the=0Aoutriggers from the
cockpit.=0A =0ARegards,=0A =0AMike=0A =0ADo not archive.=0A =0AFrom:owner-e
uropa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronic
s.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM=0ASINGLETON=0ASent: 31 March 2010 23:54=0ATo: eu
ropa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: MONOlogue=0A =0AMike=0A
not sure I agree re air loads, the flaps were designed so that lift reacts
=0Astraight up the support through the pivot so there should be no force ra
ising=0Aor lowering the flap. Certainly if the gear bungie is correctly adj
usted you=0Acan put the flap anywhere in flight and it doesn't move. Sure t
here might be=0Asome bias from the gear but flaps down I suspect air loads
are balanced by the=0Aloads in the flap hangers and can't affect fore and a
ft movement of the flap?=0AComments?=0AGraham=0A =0A=0A____________________
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"Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>=0A=0AKingsley,=0A=0AThe m
od looks great. The one concern I would have is that quite a few=0Amonos
=0Aare quite late in the approach before the outriggers lock down, the effe
ct=0Aof air loads I think. Your gas strut combined with the air loads ....
,=0Aare=0Ayou quite sure they will lock down in flight.=0A=0ARegards,=0A
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I would agree with this. My advice is to simulate some drag on the outrig
gers when gear extension is being tested on the ground using bungee straps
attached to the outrigger wheels to exert some rearward force against the
extension. I have not worked out how much tension is needed but if someon
e could work out the drag on an outrigger at 80 knots...
Roddy Kesterton G-KRK
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From: Mike Parkin <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 6:41
Subject: RE: Europa-List: MONOlogue
Graham,
I think you missed my point. The air load I was referring towas the airst
ream acting on the lower part of the outrigger leg, preventing theleg from
moving forward that last bit to allow the outrigger latch to operate. It
may not be airloads, but there certainly is something that occasionallypr
events the outrigger locking down until the IAS reduces. It has occurred
acouple of times on G-JULZ and I recall other people reporting similarhap
penings on the this site.
My concern with the air strut is that its action is in an oppositedirectio
n to the forward locking motion. But what do I know, it may workbrilliant
ly. In flight, G-JULZ does not appear to have any noticeable droop. The
problem is only an aesthetic one for outside observers, you cannot see
theoutriggers from the cockpit.
Regards,
Mike
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er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAMSINGLETON
Sent: 31 March 2010 23:54
Subject: Re: Europa-List: MONOlogue
Mike
not sure I agree re air loads, the flaps were designed so that lift reacts
straight up the support through the pivot so there should be no force rais
ingor lowering the flap. Certainly if the gear bungie is correctly adjuste
d youcan put the flap anywhere in flight and it doesn't move. Sure there
might besome bias from the gear but flaps down I suspect air loads are ba
lanced by theloads in the flap hangers and can't affect fore and aft movem
ent of the flap?Comments?
Graham
From: Mike Parkin<mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 19:33:38
Subject: RE: Europa-List: MONOlogue
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Kingsley,
The mod looks great. The one concern I would have is that quite a fewmono
s
are quite late in the approach before the outriggers lock down, the effect
of air loads I think. Your gas strut combined with the air loads .... ,ar
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you quite sure they will lock down in flight.
Regards,
Mike
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> <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
>
> The mod looks great. The one concern I would have is that quite a few
> monos
> are quite late in the approach before the outriggers lock down, the effect
> of air loads I think. Your gas strut combined with the air loads .... ,
> are
> you quite sure they will lock down in flight.
Hello Mike,
Yes I agree some mono outriggers lock down late and I experienced one
myself that locked down at 60 kts as we crossed the boundary fence.
The reasons for locking late could be many and varied . . . . build
variances, binding, wear and air loads come to mind. As I said, my idea has
not been tested in the air (unless unbeknown to me somebody else has already
tried it!) so I cannot make any guarantees but my static testing looks very
promising.
You will appreciate that the mechanical advantage supplied by the gas strut
is at a maximum when it is needed most, i.e. with the leg fully up. As the
leg goes down, the mechanical advantage diminishes until it is zero quite
some time before the leg is latched. From this point on, the gas strut
becomes overcentre and slightly assists the extension of the leg. IOW,
with the flap disconnected, if I push the leg down with my finger on the top
of it, the load progressively gets lighter on my finger until the leg
suddenly leaves my finger and locks itself down. It is for this reason, I
cannot see how it will be any worse than the original set-up and in fact,
makes me believe that if anything, it should be slightly better on
extension.
Cheers
Kingsley
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David Park wrote:-
> Does your speek kit! still fit over it?
Yes mine does David but I can't speak for the factory supplied speed kit
as I have never seen one.
Having said that, my outrigger fairing does limit just how far forward I
can put the fixed end so the overcentre action is not quite as good as
it could be.
Cheers
Kingsley
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Subject: | Re: outrigger wheels |
Do you guys have a part # for the wheels your speaking of?
Kevin
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From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: outrigger wheels
Jim...nuthin like an endorsement by someone who's had some real
experience...thanks for your comment..I'll hang onto my set of Performa
wheels...just in case.
From my armchair, I got to thinkin about those wheels...after ordering
a set of Performas, by chance I happened to notice that it's the same
wheel used on the carts at Costco, a use where robustness and
maintenance (and cost) were doubtless considered. Still, the forward
speed for those carts can't be more than 2 mph, and at the time I
believe I figured that our outriggers were spin up to approx. 5000 rpm
at TO and landing speeds if memory serves...a very different performance
environment...that realization made me look further.
I do know of two mono drivers who swear by their skate wheels...so
there's doubtless more than one way to skin this cat...
Fred
A194
still a'buildin
On Mar 31, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
I'm on my second set of the Performa wheels, and I have nothing but
good to say..
I fly off paved runway's 99 % of the time, The bearings are needle
bearings, they are full length in the hub. Much more robust than the
wheels with ball bearings on each side of the wheel...
Grease the bearing when you install the wheel, and they will be good
to next annual.... The wheel will wear out before the bearings do, on
paved runways...
Jim Brown
Monowheel N398JB
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From: Robert Hatton <roberthatton1@googlemail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 2:51:28 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: outrigger wheels
Hello Fred,
I know this is an old thread, but did you go with these wheels and
if so, what did you think? I am about to replace mine and I too am
looking for a better outrigger wheel.
Rob
A128
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
wrote:
Guys...I've been looking into substitutes for the kit-provided
outrigger wheel, and thought I'd found the answer with a Colson Performa
wheel which comes w/ sealed ball bearings. After Kingsley acquainted me
w/ the distinction between "sealed ball bearings" and "maintenance-free
precision ball bearings" I found the following in the McMaster catalogue
(I hope the text and graphics gets thru the matronics server). This
"Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheel" (McMaster part # 2439T42) which comes
with "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" has a ridiculous low
price of $7.81. I've queried McMaster, and they confirm that yes, it
does come w/ these bearings. I'm wondering if anyone has tried them and
can comment on their performance.
Or...has anyone found the ultimate outrigger wheel?
Fred
A194
Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheels
<2439tp1s.gif>
3 1/2" to 6" Dia.
<2439tp2s.gif>
8" to 10" Dia.
a.. Blue rubber on nylon core
b.. Durometer is 70A
c.. Temperature range is -40=B0 to +200=B0 F
Resilient rubber tread rebounds quickly, so you can roll
and turn easily on most surfaces. The maintenance-free precision ball
bearings require minimal effort to get these wheels rolling.
Wheel Size, For Axle Hub Cap. Ea.,
Dia. x Wd. Dia. Lg. lbs. Each
3 1/2" x 1 1/4" 3/8" 1 5/8" 225 2439T41 $7.10
4" x 1 1/4" 3/8" 1 5/8" 250 2439T42 7.81
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Subject: | Re: outrigger wheels |
On Apr 1, 2010, at 5:49 AM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> Do you guys have a part # for the wheels your speaking of?
Hi Kevin,
If you're askin bout the Performa wheel, go to mcmaster cat. pg
1347...there are different part #s for different bearing types.
If you're askin bout the in-line skate wheels, I don't have a part #
handy, but the specs of the wheels I purchased were listed in my first
email yesterday.
Fred
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Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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