---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/10/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 AM - Matco Master Cylinders "take up" (Tony Renshaw) 2. 02:18 AM - Re: Re: Electronic Mind Needed (Greg Fuchs) 3. 02:57 AM - Re: Matco Master Cylinders "take up" (Frans Veldman) 4. 03:18 PM - Re: Rudden push rod (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 5. 04:20 PM - SnF Engineering Meeting (rampil) 6. 07:21 PM - Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim (Troy Maynor) 7. 08:11 PM - Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim (Kingsley Hurst) 8. 08:18 PM - Sun'n'Fun () 9. 08:47 PM - Re: SnF Engineering Meeting (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 10. 09:47 PM - Re: SnF Engineering Meeting (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:58 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Matco Master Cylinders "take up" Gidday, I am attempting to set up my new finger brakes, and am wondering whether the Matco finger brakes have an inbuilt "sloppiness" prior to the uptake of the braking? With the standard lever lengths of what I remember is 7", I'm keen to know where the levers penetrate the top of the tunnel, if anyone has a dimension, and what distance aft they come back before braking occurs? Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:58 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Electronic Mind Needed Fred, Very nice. I seem to remember a LOT of helpful emails coming from a certain person with the same name as yours! It is great to have a wealth of skilled people from all walks of life and capabilities as close away as the forum, isn't it? I am in awe myself. Regards, Greg ...I can't help but be in awe of the technical expertise and understanding written as I read this thread... Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:17 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Matco Master Cylinders "take up" On 04/10/2010 11:19 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Gidday, I am attempting to set up my new finger brakes, and am > wondering whether the Matco finger brakes have an inbuilt > "sloppiness" prior to the uptake of the braking? With the standard > lever lengths of what I remember is 7", I'm keen to know where the > levers penetrate the top of the tunnel, if anyone has a dimension, > and what distance aft they come back before braking occurs? I managed to keep the same setup for the Matco's as with the Jamar brakes. So, if you follow the build manual for the Jamar brakes, you should be OK. My system came with a factory slotted plate and mounted on the outlined position worked very well. In the "dry" setup, the levers will be able to hit the end of the slotted plate, but once the brakes are willed with fluid, the "throw" of the levers decreases substantially. I can take some measurements if you let me know what you need. (Now I finished building pretty much, some excuse to fiddle with the airplane is sometimes welcome. It is a quite strange experience hanging around there with nothing to do, with all dozens of "ToDo-notes" exhausted. First flight? Maybe next weekend, if test-pilot and weather cooperate). Frans ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:51 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rudden push rod Frans=0AYes, my mod retained the original Classic push rod, I agree the kno ck kneed look of the XS cables is ugly. It also overloads the hinges and fl anges if pilots push on both pedals. (which they sometimes do)=0AFactory ha ve now taken over my mod and can supply the parts. It is retrofittable but you will need to fit access panels. Not too big a deal.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Frans Veldman =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, 20 March, 2 010 15:24:13=0ASubject: Europa-List: Rudden push rod=0A=0A--> Europa-List m essage posted by: Frans Veldman =0A=0AOn 03/20/2010 12:25 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:=0A> I too think we need to help Europa f actory succeed. Those of you who=0A> remember my tail wheel/ rudder drive m od which reverts to push rod drive=0A> for the rudder will be pleased to no te that the factory are now=0A> supplying the mod kit. I strongly recommend this mod as it reduces the=0A> loads on the rudder hinges and flanges.=0A =0AI remember having seen a Europa classic tri gear with a rudder push rod =0Arather than the cable setup. I wondered whether this was a classic=0Afea ture, and why it was abandoned, because my kit came with the (ugly)=0Acable setup.=0AWas this part of your tailwheel mod?=0AAlthough my Europa is fini shed, I would still like to see the details=0A(and maybe it is possible to convert). That starboard external cable and=0Ahorn don't really belong on s =========================0A == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:05 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: SnF Engineering Meeting From: "rampil" Is it too early to start planning the annual festivities? I, myself, will be attending Wednesday to Saturday afternoon Anyone else? Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293778#293778 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:05 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim Hi All, Ok, you know what they say about dumb questions. Are my flaps reflexed too far (up) if I have to dial in 2 marks of nose down trim for straight and level flight or am I thinking backwards? I rechecked the weight and balance as well as the stabilator and anti servo limits and they are all good. I was thinking maybe just the indicator needed adjusting but the tabs are aligned with the stabs. and the stabs. are aligned with the fuselage molding, and the indicator is on zero. Not sure whats going on for sure. It flies ok but if the tabs aren't aligned it can't be clean and efficient. Any thoughts? I figure it's got to be ailerons or flaps. Had to get back home today before I had time to investigate further. Just need some reenforcing thoughts from you experts. Troy Maynor Europa Monowheel Classic Flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:42 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim Troy, In every in-flight photo I have seen of a Europa in level flight, the trim tabs have been noticably deflected upwards (nose down trim). A few years ago I posted the question "Why is it so?" on this list but apart from somebody remarking that I was observant, there were no reasons given so I am still left wondering??? I think you will find yours is perfectly normal and like you, I hope somebody can explain. Cheers Kingsley in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Maynor To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: Europa-List: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim Hi All, Ok, you know what they say about dumb questions. Are my flaps reflexed too far (up) if I have to dial in 2 marks of nose down trim for straight and level flight or am I thinking backwards? I rechecked the weight and balance as well as the stabilator and anti servo limits and they are all good. I was thinking maybe just the indicator needed adjusting but the tabs are aligned with the stabs. and the stabs. are aligned with the fuselage molding, and the indicator is on zero. Not sure whats going on for sure. It flies ok but if the tabs aren't aligned it can't be clean and efficient. Any thoughts? I figure it's got to be ailerons or flaps. Had to get back home today before I had time to investigate further. Just need some reenforcing thoughts from you experts. Troy Maynor Europa Monowheel Classic Flying ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:46 PM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Sun'n'Fun Ira, I will be at stands 90-91 with Jeff and Mary Behrnes from tuesday so an engineering meeting can be arranged. daily meet'n'greet at 11.00 as usual. Steve Pitt ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:58 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: SnF Engineering Meeting Lynne and I will be there Wed and Thu.=C2- --=C2- Wings, elevator, rudd er, doors in the paint shop!=C2- Engine installation at about 80%, panel done and tested! Jim Puglise ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:19:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Europa-List: SnF Engineering Meeting Is it too early to start planning the annual festivities? I, myself, will be attending Wednesday to Saturday afternoon Anyone else? Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293778#293778 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:58 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: SnF Engineering Meeting > Is it too early to start planning the annual festivities? Sorry to say that family obligations will prevent me from attending this year...I can always use a boost in the realm of Engineering...do enjoy the show!...I hope to make RR this year, if weather cooperates. Cheers, Fred PS: In the 12 months since SnF 09, I bit the bullet and bought the RAM Sube engine, laid up my cowls and mono wheel fairing from Alex Bowman's molds, designed, fabricated, and installed an engine mounting frame, twin hi pressure fuel pumps for the injection system, had some custom radiators made and am in the midst of fabbing the cooling ducting and a tuned exhaust system...lotsa little stuff as well...discernable progress. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.