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Wed 04/14/10


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 01:29 AM - Re: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim (jansambrook)
     2. 01:52 AM - Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY (Raimo Toivio)
     3. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim (david miller)
     4. 07:46 AM - Tirade (Fergus Kyle)
     5. 09:59 AM - Binx nuts torque (mau11)
     6. 11:54 AM - SV: Binx nuts torque (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
     7. 12:41 PM - Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
     8. 12:58 PM - Re : Binx nuts torque (NEEL Jean Philippe)
     9. 01:34 PM - Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY (zwakie)
    10. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY (Frans Veldman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:29:36 AM PST US
    From: "jansambrook" <jan@thesambrooks.net>
    Subject: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim
    How do I change my husbands e mail - all this europa info comes to me and it should go to Martin Sambrook martin@thesambrooks.net, Thanks Jan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: 13 April 2010 23:22 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim Another contributing factor to necessary stabilator force required is engine angle. An easy check would be to trim for normal cruise speed with engine running, note trim position and measure precise location of stick (string or ruler). Then kill engine, prefer if you can feather prop, but stopped prop is sufficient, then with trim in same location and stick brought to precise location see what speed you achieve. If speed is greater than engine on cruse speed you don't quite have enough down engine angle (prop end not down far enough) for most efficiency and vise versa (less speed and too much down engine angle). On models and full scale having a slight positive nose up pitching is not a bad thing. BTW similar technique can be used to dial in CG on a model, motor off trim for a few MPH over stall, then dive to maneuvering speed and put stick in exact position it was to achieve trim a few MPH over stall, if it pitches wildly up you are too nose heavy for most efficiency. Again a slight nose up pitching is desirable Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294111#294111


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    Time: 01:52:59 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY
    Ilona & Frans, try Dirk van O. He did with succes XRT`s maiden flight 29.4.2007 and he was my very best available choise, because he followed my building process and he had built his own Mono OO-145 and had operated it hundreds of hours. The main purpose of XRT`s maiden flight was to check that my Europa was like Europa should be. That=B4s why I thought it is better to have Europa-specified pilot more than any other "normal" pro not-Europa-related test pilot. After his maiden flight (everything was ok), one ordinary but pro test-pilot made necessary evalution and test flights and transited me to the tailwheel and Mono. Dirk is by the way professor of the composite techs. He is just now in Morocco, but should come back next week. If you wanna ask him, please contact me direct. You are very wise when fighting against temptation to do it Yourself. There have been so many sad accidents because builder may think "I am the best because I know her better than anyone". Soon you will have a pix like attached. I wish you all the luck. Raimo from Finland OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@privatepilots.nl> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY <frans@privatepilots.nl> > > Hi everyone, > > Who has followed this forum recently knows that the PH-DIY is for some > time ready to fly. > > So far we have not been lucky with our test pilots. We had one very good > option in the Netherlands, but his wife didn't like the idea at all. > Ivan Shaw doesn't answer and apparently is on a cruise (and after his > return probably dealing with a huge backlog). Andy Draper is willing to > do it, but his agenda appears to be overloaded. Take the weather into > the equation, and it is almost impossible to make an appointment and > reserve a flight for him to come over. > > So, we are now sitting under a bright blue sky, next to a shiny new > airplane, while other airplanes are passing over our house, unable to > fly, and not really knowing what to do now. > > It is tempting to Do It Yourself, but as a low timer with no experience > in an Europa this wouldn't be the wisest thing to do, so far we managed > to resist the temptation. > > Does anyone of you know a capable test pilot? It doesn't has to be an > official test pilot, but someone with good experience in Europa's and > other planes, and knowing how to conduct a first flight. > > We have options here to take the initial lessons in our Europa, so what > we need is only someone with a flexible agenda who is capable and > willing to do the first flight. > Rules are easy here: As far as the government is concerned, anyone with > a valid JAR PPL is entitled to fly the PH-DIY. There are no restrictions > in time, distance or weight. > > Of course we will pay for expenses and time. > > Ilona & Frans > > (From the North of The Netherlands) > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:01:08 AM PST US
    From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
    Subject: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim
    Jan, You can go to the matronics web site and cancel. hubby will then have to re-enlist with his address Dave do not archive On 14-Apr-10, at 4:27 AM, jansambrook wrote: > <jan@thesambrooks.net> > > How do I change my husbands e mail - all this europa info comes to > me and it > should go to Martin Sambrook martin@thesambrooks.net, > Thanks Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > rparigoris > Sent: 13 April 2010 23:22 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Effects of Flaps and Ailerons on Pitch Trim > > <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > > Another contributing factor to necessary stabilator force required > is engine > angle. An easy check would be to trim for normal cruise speed with > engine > running, note trim position and measure precise location of stick > (string or > ruler). Then kill engine, prefer if you can feather prop, but > stopped prop > is sufficient, then with trim in same location and stick brought to > precise > location see what speed you achieve. If speed is greater than > engine on > cruse speed you don't quite have enough down engine angle (prop end > not down > far enough) for most efficiency and vise versa (less speed and too > much > down engine angle). > On models and full scale having a slight positive nose up pitching > is not a > bad thing. > BTW similar technique can be used to dial in CG on a model, motor > off trim > for a few MPH over stall, then dive to maneuvering speed and put > stick in > exact position it was to achieve trim a few MPH over stall, if it > pitches > wildly up you are too nose heavy for most efficiency. Again a > slight nose up > pitching is desirable > Ron Parigoris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294111#294111 > >


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    Time: 07:46:20 AM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Tirade
    I made a previous message about the US Secretary of Homeland Defence suspecting me of a threat because I wanted to get two Chinese spring plungers for my battery switches and plunge the country into darkness. Never a "thank-you" for standing Readiness at Christmastime to patrol the northern border against the Red Hordes to the north - [8 years in NORAD]. An end run around this lady is my only hope - if there's space. If you can help me in any way, I promise not to equip my Europa with attack plungers, nor reveal any details. Cheerfully, Ferg PS: I don't want to stir up the black helicopters, so tread softly.


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    Time: 09:59:17 AM PST US
    From: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr>
    Subject: Binx nuts torque
    X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 22 [cn] Hi all, Does anyone know the torque value for binx nuts assembling rotax ring mount to the engine mounting frame MT05. Thanks Michel AUVRAY 14-04-2010


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    Time: 11:54:10 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Binx nuts torque
    Michel, As there is no torque stated in the engine installation manual for these nuts, I asked the factory about this =93way back when=94. The reply was that the binx nuts are self-locking nuts. Therefore only tighten the nuts, but not over-tighten. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av mau11 Sendt: 14. april 2010 18:57 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Europa-List: Binx nuts torque Hi all, Does anyone know the torque value for binx nuts assembling rotax ring mount to the engine mounting frame MT05. Thanks _____ Michel AUVRAY 14-04-2010


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    Time: 12:41:48 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY
    On 04/13/2010 11:15 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > Frans > What about Henk or Bart, (Roelofs) sorry about the spelling, or Rob > Zeelenberg, All with lots of experience. I have contact with Rob Zeelenberg now, if weather cooperates we are going to do some taxi-testing and maybe more at friday. I got some other offers as well, the Europa-community is wonderfull! Thanks! Frans


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    Time: 12:58:03 PM PST US
    From: NEEL Jean Philippe <jeanphilippeneel@yahoo.fr>
    Subject: Binx nuts torque
    Michel=0ARegarde si ce site repond a ta question=0AJP=0A=0Ahttp://www.conce ptfasteners.com.au/Products/ThreadLocking/Assets/Documents/Profile2-BX.pdf =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADe : mau11 <mau11@free.fr >=0A=C3 : "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com>=0AEnvo y=C3=A9 le : Mer 14 avril 2010, 18 h 57 min 08 s=0AObjet=C2-: Europa-List : Binx nuts torque=0A=0A=0AHi all,=0ADoes anyone know the torque value for binx nuts assembling=C2-rotax ring mount to the engine mounting frame MT0 =======0A=0A=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A=0AMichel AUVRAY=C2-=0A14-04-2010=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 01:34:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Don't take her up in the air though on Friday [Wink] Please say hello to Rob for me. PS I received notice that your package was received, so Saturday I will be at EHHO to get the brakes in working order. Maybe a good day for first flight? I hope that time remains to get airborne myself on Saturday, it's been far too long since PH-MZW did was she is supposed to... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294232#294232


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    Time: 01:59:25 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Test pilot wanted for the PH-DIY
    On 04/14/2010 10:33 PM, zwakie wrote: > > Don't take her up in the air though on Friday [Wink] Please say hello to Rob for me. The latter I will do. What happens friday is up to Rob of course. We are not going to push it, but we aren't going to delay it either. We'll just see what happens. Most likely we will not even know ourself in advance when we are actually going to perform the first flight... > I received notice that your package was received, so Saturday I will be at EHHO to get the brakes in working order. Maybe a good day for first flight? Oh, I forgot to mention that I sent you the BS113 O-rings as well. As I understood Rob is not available at saturday. Monday is also an option, but you probably have to work then... Frans




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