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1. 09:19 AM - Re: Day VMC only (Raimo Toivio)
2. 10:09 AM - Europa stall warner (Frans Veldman)
3. 10:26 AM - Re: Europa stall warner (Marcel Zwakenberg)
4. 12:01 PM - SV: Day VMC only (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
5. 12:41 PM - Re: epoxy to firewall bond (jglazener)
6. 12:48 PM - What bites.... (Fergus Kyle)
7. 01:17 PM - Re: Europa stall warner (Terry Seaver (terrys))
8. 01:57 PM - Paul's Plane (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: Europa stall warner (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
10. 05:43 PM - Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa XS (Bud Yerly)
11. 05:49 PM - Re: Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa XS (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
12. 06:24 PM - Re: Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa XS (JEFF ROBERTS)
13. 06:57 PM - Re: Paul's Plane (Paul McAllister)
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| Subject: | Re: Day VMC only |
Hi Svein
In Finland
1) night operations are ok also for experimentals (not allowed for ANY
ultras).
- must have certain equipments like nav, landing and panel lights,
heated pitot-static, TSO bank&incl. coordinator and ASI.
- we have about 5 experimentals permitted for night ops
- one of them is Comp Air 8 with Walter turbin.
2) IMC is not permitted for any experimentals.
3) we have about 100 real homebuilt aircrafts (not included modified
Cessnas etc).
Attached one nice night flight departure photo. It was a formation
flight with three Europas including two G-registered Europas following
my OH-XRT. No problem, I permitted them for night ops here in Finland...
Raimo OH-XRT
From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Day VMC only
For over a year EAA Chapter 573 Norway has tried in vain to get our CAA
to revise their decision 18 months ago to restrict flight with
Experimental aircraft to only day VMC (i.e. no flying at night or in
IMC, regardless of the individual aircraft's instrumentation, lights or
the pilot's qualifications). EAA 573 is, however, not a directly
affected party, so they cannot appeal this decision.
I therefore decided to file a protest to the Department of
Transportation for the ruling against my aircraft, as a test case which
could decide the future for all such aircraft in Norway. At long last,
the CAA has now brought my appeal before the DoT for decision. Their
only argument, which I think is a very meek one, is "our professional
opinion - at a general level". What does that mean??!! I have the
opportunity to comment the statements made by the CAA in their
presentation of the case.
I therefore ask all of you, in the different countries around the world,
kindly to give me feedback on the following, at your early convenience:
In your country, with respect to Experimental class aircraft (in some
European countries referred to as Annex II aircraft):
- Is night flight permitted, provided the aircraft has the
required lamps and lights?
- Is flying under IMC permitted, provided the aircraft has the
required instrumentation?
- Approximately how many aircraft (Experimental/Annex II) are
flying in your country (not limited to night/IMC-equipped/instrumented),
i.e. total fleet of homebuilt aircraft?
For my British friends: Some time ago your organization (I do not
recall its name) was preparing an appeal against a similar decision by
your authorities. Did you succeed, or where does this issue stand at
the moment?
Thank you!
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Europa stall warner |
With the benign stall characteristics of the PH-DIY and plenty of
natural warning before stalling, a stall warner is not really necessary.
But I had already installed the stall warner before the plane was
finished, so I decided to adjust it anyway.
After I adjusted the Europa stall warner to 6 knots above the stall, I
noticed that the stall warner warns when I'm parked at the ground.
Technically this is correct of course, a non flying airplane is
permanently in a stall condition, but is it supposed to work this way?
Frans
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| Subject: | Europa stall warner |
I have the same thing when parked into the wind, mine especially shows
this behavior when not parked straight into to the leading wind
direction.
Initially the screaming warner annoyed me a bit, but I have learned to
appreciate the additional confirmation that the stall warner is
operational ;-)
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Hi Raimo,
Thank you very much for this comprehensive information.
The photo: There is nothing like the Nordic sunsets and light summer
nights, is there?!! Very nice photo!
Best regards,
Svein
Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av Raimo
Toivio
Sendt: 27. april 2010 15:23
Til: europa-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: Europa-List: Day VMC only
Hi Svein
In Finland
1) night operations are ok also for experimentals (not allowed for ANY
ultras).
- must have certain equipments like nav, landing and panel lights,
heated
pitot-static, TSO bank&incl. coordinator and ASI.
- we have about 5 experimentals permitted for night ops
- one of them is Comp Air 8 with Walter turbin.
2) IMC is not permitted for any experimentals.
3) we have about 100 real homebuilt aircrafts (not included modified
Cessnas
etc).
Attached one nice night flight departure photo. It was a formation
flight
with three Europas including two G-registered Europas following my
OH-XRT.
No problem, I permitted them for night ops here in Finland...
Raimo OH-XRT
From: Sidsel <mailto:sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> & Svein Johnsen
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Day VMC only
For over a year EAA Chapter 573 Norway has tried in vain to get our CAA
to
revise their decision 18 months ago to restrict flight with Experimental
aircraft to only day VMC (i.e. no flying at night or in IMC, regardless
of
the individual aircraft=92s instrumentation, lights or the pilot=92s
qualifications). EAA 573 is, however, not a directly affected party, so
they cannot appeal this decision.
I therefore decided to file a protest to the Department of
Transportation
for the ruling against my aircraft, as a test case which could decide
the
future for all such aircraft in Norway. At long last, the CAA has now
brought my appeal before the DoT for decision. Their only argument,
which
I think is a very meek one, is =93our professional opinion ' at a
general
level=94. What does that mean??!! I have the opportunity to comment
the
statements made by the CAA in their presentation of the case.
I therefore ask all of you, in the different countries around the world,
kindly to give me feedback on the following, at your early convenience:
In your country, with respect to Experimental class aircraft (in some
European countries referred to as Annex II aircraft):
- Is night flight permitted, provided the aircraft has the
required
lamps and lights?
- Is flying under IMC permitted, provided the aircraft has the
required instrumentation?
- Approximately how many aircraft (Experimental/Annex II) are
flying in your country (not limited to night/IMC-equipped/instrumented),
i.e. total fleet of homebuilt aircraft?
For my British friends: Some time ago your organization (I do not
recall
its name) was preparing an appeal against a similar decision by your
authorities. Did you succeed, or where does this issue stand at the
moment?
Thank you!
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: epoxy to firewall bond |
I am pretty sure contamination is an important factor. The acetone cleaning ritual
certainly helps for me. However, don't forget another factor and that is the
curing of the epoxy. Sure, after a few hours it gets hard but it is by no means
cured. The full process can take weeks, even months in which longer and longer
polymer chains are formed. In fact without a post cure it never really finishes-
which is why we do it of course.
I would not be surprised if this also plays an important role in bonding to the
substrate. Part of the bid tapes on my firewall came off practically by looking
at them. I redid those parts, but all tapes are now solid as a rock.
Message: don't panic if the bid can be easily taken off the next day. Give it a
week or more and only then decide if you really need to rip it all out.
Jeroen
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295908#295908
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I have grave concerns following the OSH fatal prang a couple years
ago. The Europa concerned was on a first-time approach during the fly-in.
The aircraft was on short final crosswing on final turn when it spun too low
for recovery.
This si not to denigrate the skills of the pilot, but he's on a
tight right for 27. I've been out there listening to the chat on freq, and
many are asked by final field controller to "waggle for ident". If the pilot
had a tad of inside rudder on for correcting to centreline, and was asked to
waggle - there you have a perfect stall storm - some inside rudder and you
add bank for 'waggle' - inside wing slows to stall - spin entry for sure.
If asked to waggle - ensure the rudder neutral first.
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Europa stall warner |
Hi Frans,
Ours did that as well, so we adjusted the sensitivity until it stopped
beeping on the ground. It still gave us the in-flight margin we had
originally set it for. I suspect the stall 'speed' is more a function
of the placement of the hole in the wing than the sensitivity
adjustment.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans
Veldman
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:17 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa stall warner
<frans@privatepilots.nl>
With the benign stall characteristics of the PH-DIY and plenty of
natural warning before stalling, a stall warner is not really necessary.
But I had already installed the stall warner before the plane was
finished, so I decided to adjust it anyway.
After I adjusted the Europa stall warner to 6 knots above the stall, I
noticed that the stall warner warns when I'm parked at the ground.
Technically this is correct of course, a non flying airplane is
permanently in a stall condition, but is it supposed to work this way?
Frans
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Hey Paul,
Just wanted to say the front cover of Leading Edge Airfoils 2010
product catalog has a mighty fine looking familiar Europa from
Wisconsin on it. I'm sure you know this.
Have you completed any of your cowl mods yet.
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
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| Subject: | Re: Europa stall warner |
Frans=0ADo you have stall strips fitted? You should have a stall warner if
you don't. Their setting will also affect the stall, sounds like yours are
well adjusted. =0AIf you don't have them, rain or bug contamination could h
ave a bad effect on stall behavior so be careful and don't assume anything
is constant.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0A
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April, 2010 11:16:34=0ASubject: Europa-List: Europa stall
epilots.nl>=0A=0AWith the benign stall characteristics of the PH-DIY and pl
enty of=0Anatural warning before stalling, a stall warner is not really nec
essary.=0ABut I had already installed the stall warner before the plane was
=0Afinished, so I decided to adjust it anyway.=0A
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa XS |
To all,
Congratulations to Jerry Hope.
After two years plus of excellent workmanship, flawless flight
characteristics combined with ease of maintenance and reliability,
the Judges of Sun-n-Fun voted N20XS:
"OUTSTANDING AIRCRAFT
Completed 2008
By JERRY HOPE
EUROPA XS TRI-GEAR N2OXS
Home base: AFTON, TN"
Well done Jerry!
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa |
XS
Nicely done Jerry! Teri told me you would win after she looked at that
paint job! Congratulations Brian Skelly Texas
In a message dated 4/27/2010 7:43:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
budyerly@msn.com writes:
To all,
Congratulations to Jerry Hope.
After two years plus of excellent workmanship, flawless flight
characteristics combined with ease of maintenance and reliability,
the Judges of Sun-n-Fun voted N20XS:
"OUTSTANDING AIRCRAFT
Completed 2008
By JERRY HOPE
EUROPA XS TRI-GEAR N2OXS
Home base: AFTON, TN"
Well done Jerry!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun outstanding Aircraft to Jerry Hope, Europa |
XS
Jerry,
A really big congrats! Nice to here we have another Europa in
Tennessee. To earn that at the Sun-N-Fun is a great accomplishment!
Just curious... what part of the state is Afton in? I believe we have
4 Europa's in TN now.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
> To all,
> Congratulations to Jerry Hope.
> After two years plus of excellent workmanship, flawless flight
> characteristics combined with ease of maintenance and reliability,
> the Judges of Sun-n-Fun voted N20XS:
>
> "OUTSTANDING AIRCRAFT
> Completed 2008
> By JERRY HOPE
> EUROPA XS TRI-GEAR N2OXS
> Home base: AFTON, TN"
>
> Well done Jerry!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paul's Plane |
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the compliment. LEAF have there own grass strip and I flew in
there a while back and they took a few photo's. I was really surprised to
get a call a few weeks ago asking could they put it on there catalog.
My cowl mod is like growing grass, its taking sooooo long. I think I will
have to take some vacation time to work on it.
Paul
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