---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/06/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - Re: Re: Europa- Touring in France (Bob Fairall) 2. 01:06 AM - Re: Re: Europa- Touring in France (Frans Veldman) 3. 06:49 AM - new subs payment failure mechanism (Rowland Carson) 4. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: Europa- Touring in France (David Joyce) 5. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Ditching checklist (Raimo Toivio) 6. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Ditching checklist (Martin Boyle) 7. 04:24 PM - What a fine airplane! (Frans Veldman) 8. 07:47 PM - Re: What a fine airplane! (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:49 AM PST US From: Bob Fairall Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Europa- Touring in France Many thanks Gerry!! I've just loaded it and from an initial glance seems a great solution. Thanks again. Bob From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Holland Sent: 06 May 2010 07:02 Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa- Touring in France Bob Hi! Try Aeroweather for your iPhone. http://www.aeroweather.ch/ It will give M ETAR and TAF for named Airports or ICAO Codes and is very quick to update with whatever communication channels the iPhone can find or use. I also ha ve Memory Map CAA Maps loaded as standby. You may find you can get French Air Charts too. Regards Gerry ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:24 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa- Touring in France On 05/06/2010 07:25 AM, Bob Fairall wrote: > Can anyone experienced in French touring recommend a practical source of > aviation weather information while in France please? Try http://france.meteofrance.com/ The language if French, but the pictures speak for themselves. You can toggle the main display between temperatures and winds ("vents"). The menu column is for the days of the week (just learn the names of the days in French and you are good to go). They also have an aeronautical section, but you need a password for that. They will send you that free of charge if you ask for it. We found this website very valuable for our trips in France. Frans ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:00 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: new subs payment failure mechanism I have discovered while working on the Europa Club system that some card transactions had failed, with the reason for failure to complete given in the transaction log as: 5051 : The Contact Number contains invalid characters. I'm not sure what message the member would have seen as a result of this, as it has not arisen before. It appears that our payment processing partner Sage Pay has tightened up the cross-checking of information and is no longer prepared to accept phone numbers containing a period (full stop, decimal point). So before you try to renew your membership online, I suggest you check how your phone number is shown and change any "." characters to the more internationally-acceptable space characters. You should probably do the same with your FAX number if you have one. When we changed the system a few years back to allow website card payments, we also allowed members to enter and amend their own data. This was intended to reduce work for the Membership Secretary, but has caused a few headaches when people enter unexpected data - it's hard to predict all the possibilities that could cause problems and protect against them! in friendship Rowland -- | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:44 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa- Touring in France Bob, A lot of the middle sized airfields as well as all the large ones have their own French Meteo man there who is generally extremely helpful. That apart Ifind the various resource/links at www.guernseyaeroclub.com/weather.htm to be more than enough. In particular xc weather, orbifly,Met Office 415, European Tafs & Metars provide most of what you need on the day and either the USAF, the XC or the NOAA 7day forecasts are good for planning ahead. One other resource not on the Guernsey site possibly worth looking at is Jeppesen's one: www.jeppesen.com/aviation/personal/aviation-weather.jsp In particular I like the weather depiction page which gives a Europe wide indication of VFR or various IFR conditions. Have you by the way found the Europa Club Guide to Flying in Europe on the Club web site - it has all of the above & a fair bit more. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Fairall" Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:25 AM Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa- Touring in France I'm planning on flying to France next week to visit family and friends in various locations. Can anyone experienced in French touring recommend a practical source of aviation weather information while in France please? I will have iPhone with me, but would prefer to leave the laptop at home. Thanks. Bob Fairall - G-BXLK ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:16 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist They say it would be a good practise to lock the wheel[s] by brakeing before ditching. So the gear will act a little bit longer as a water ski before sinking. With mono, I would take the flaps and gear out to lower the speed and to get a normal landing attitude. When the flaps hit water masses w speed of say 40 knots, they will act as a water brake for a while and separate I assume almost immediately. My boat=C2=B4s top speed is around 58 knots and when jumping from one wave to another wave I am happy it=C2=B4s stern is 2 inches thick laminate. When moderate or more waves (and wind): would you still prefer to land headwind (and towards waves) or do you elect maybe landing sidewind (and 90 degrees to waves)? Raimo OH-XRT From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist The mono is much less likely to dig in, think of the pitching moment that the gear exerts as it hits the water. Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Frans Veldman Sent: Tuesday, 4 May, 2010 15:26:36 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist On 05/04/2010 03:13 PM, rampil wrote: > For the case of the trigear, one can only imagine a worse case. > It seems unlikely that a trigear can be prevented from digging > in at the nose and possibly cracking the canopy. Why does it seem that? Statistics show that tri gear aircraft have no higher tendency to nose over than rectractables. Unless the Europa has a feature not found on other tri gear airplane, I don't think it is worse than comparable aircraft. Contrary, I think the monowheel is worse in this aspect. It has a tendency on land already to nose over if you brake firmly, and I don't see why this would be different on water. With the tri gear, before the nose is able to touch the water, the gear has dissipated already quite some of the energy (either due to drag in the "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">http://wcom" = --> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:39 PM PST US From: "Martin Boyle" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist The way we were taught in Australia was to touch with one wheel and the wing tip This than makes the aircraft turn to that direction and enersa will cause the other side of the plane to ditch into the water and uses the wing to stop it from rolling Also if you go straight in and the plane rolls forward you will wear the windscreen in your face at great speed not pretty Martin Boyle North QLD Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Raimo Toivio To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:22 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist They say it would be a good practise to lock the wheel[s] by brakeing before ditching. So the gear will act a little bit longer as a water ski before sinking. With mono, I would take the flaps and gear out to lower the speed and to get a normal landing attitude. When the flaps hit water masses w speed of say 40 knots, they will act as a water brake for a while and separate I assume almost immediately. My boat=C2=B4s top speed is around 58 knots and when jumping from one wave to another wave I am happy it=C2=B4s stern is 2 inches thick laminate. When moderate or more waves (and wind): would you still prefer to land headwind (and towards waves) or do you elect maybe landing sidewind (and 90 degrees to waves)? Raimo OH-XRT From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:41 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist The mono is much less likely to dig in, think of the pitching moment that the gear exerts as it hits the water. Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Frans Veldman To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 May, 2010 15:26:36 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Ditching checklist On 05/04/2010 03:13 PM, rampil wrote: > For the case of the trigear, one can only imagine a worse case. > It seems unlikely that a trigear can be prevented from digging > in at the nose and possibly cracking the canopy. Why does it seem that? Statistics show that tri gear aircraft have no higher tendency to nose over than rectractables. Unless the Europa has a feature not found on other tri gear airplane, I don't think it is worse than comparable aircraft. Contrary, I think the monowheel is worse in this aspect. It has a tendency on land already to nose over if you brake firmly, and I don't see why this would be different on water. With the tri gear, before the nose is able to touch the water, the gear has dissipated already quite some of the energy (either due to drag in the "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">http://wcom" = --> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:53 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Europa-List: What a fine airplane! Flying the PH-DIY is much easier than we could imagine. May 5th we made our first real trip with the PH-DIY: we went to Helgoland (EDXH). (Helgoland is a very small island about 30nm North of Germany). The longest runway is 480 meter, fairly small, and for that reason only allowed for pilots with a minimum of 100 flying hours. Well, the PH-DIY came to a stop halfway down the runway. ;-) It is just about 1 hour flying from our homebase EHHO. Our review can be found at www.vfrflights.nl/verslagen/helgoland Fuel consumption for an economy cruise of 110 knots IAS is 13 liters per hour, not bad! With 13 hours on the hobbs we now appreciate the avionics we installed and the "user interface". So, for the "not-yet-flying" people, this is a list of things we found very usefull: - The SmartASS (Talking Airspeed Indicator of Smart Avionics) is a real "must have". Apart from a non-panel-space-consuming redundanct backup airspeed indicator (I gave it its own pitot), it is a real assistant during take off and landing. During take off we set it in talking airspeed mode so we can focus on the outside world while monitoring the airspeed auraly. During landing, on final, I press and hold the green button on the stick for a moment to capture the airspeed, and it announces periodically "speed good" if I remain within 5% of the target airspeed, or "slow", "very slow", "fast", "very fast" if I stray off that speed. It becomes very easy to keep the eyes focussed on the runway all the time and correct any speed deviations immediately. It is one of the reasons we find landing this airplane so easy: it is like flying with a teacher who is telling you what to do all the time. ;-) - We have the flaps switch on the stick as well. This worked out as planned: during take off and landing we keep one hand on the throttle, and the other hand on the stick, and it is convenient this way to adjust the flaps without moving your hands. It feels natural to adjust the flaps with the same hand that also controls the speed and pitch. The other hand is for power, prop and brakes. - The Smart Avionics prop controller works perfectly! Easy to use as well. The mode button is duplicated on the stick, and the pitch toggle is duplicated next to the throttle, so it can be operated with the hand resting on the throttle. - The Trio Avionics autopilot is another favorite piece of equipment. The auto pilot release is connected to the "trigger" of the stick. This works particularly intuitive for the Pilot Command Steering: while the auto pilot is active, pull the trigger, change heading and release the trigger, and the auto pilot continues on the heading just set with releasing the trigger. (And of course the auto pilot can also follow a programmed GPS route, or direct to a GPS target). - The overhead vent is a real winner. Works perfectly and is very convenient. A close second are the "ultimate ventilators" at the corners of the wind screen. They work, but it is impossible to direct the air and regulate the amount of air at the same time. Still we like them. The windows at the side are nice for making pictures and avoiding the visual distortion of the canopy. Ilona doesn't like these windows so much, because they suck her hair out! Of course there are also things that didn't work out so well: - Forget about an aileron trim. I never used it, except for confirmation that it works, and to discover that precisely in neutral the airplane flies straight and level. There is nothing to trim. Thinking about the time invested to devise this trim tab, what a waste! - I don't like the Andair gascolator so much (I have the bigger one). It needs to be wire locked (making it less attractive to "field clean" the gascolator) and the rubber O-ring breaks far too easily. I spoiled already the spares I had, if I break another one this means I'm grounded. :-( Well, this is it for now, hope it is usefull to someone. Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:07 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: What a fine airplane! Thanks for the inspiration Frans, and your review of your flight is lovely, though my "Americanishe-schnell-Deutsch" did not allow for much understanding of your text...perhaps I missed the English prompt. Fred On May 6, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Frans Veldman wrote: > Flying the PH-DIY is much easier than we could imagine. > > May 5th we made our first real trip with the PH-DIY: we went to > Helgoland (EDXH). > (Helgoland is a very small island about 30nm North of Germany). > The longest runway is 480 meter, fairly small, and for that reason > only > allowed for pilots with a minimum of 100 flying hours. Well, the PH- > DIY > came to a stop halfway down the runway. ;-) > It is just about 1 hour flying from our homebase EHHO. > > Our review can be found at www.vfrflights.nl/verslagen/helgoland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.