---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/16/10: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:09 AM - Air Vents - Help required please (Kingsley Hurst) 2. 03:53 AM - AW: Air Vents - Help required please (gottfried komaier) 3. 01:55 PM - Europa Length re 20' container (Tony Renshaw) 4. 02:50 PM - Outrigger leg failure (Erich Trombley) 5. 03:11 PM - Re: Europa Length re 20' container (Kevin Klinefelter) 6. 04:37 PM - Re: Outrigger leg failure (Fred Klein) 7. 07:02 PM - Re: Outrigger leg failure (Kevin Klinefelter) 8. 11:02 PM - Re: Europa Length re 20' container (duanefamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:15 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Europa-List: Air Vents - Help required please Does anybody know where I can purchase an airvent such as the attached please. This vent has louvres which can be closed to shut off the airflow and when open they can be rotated to direct the air in any direction. All I know is that they are made by Prima in Italy but all my searching for it on the list has so far been in vain. Any help would be much appreciated thanks. Kingsley in Oz ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:12 AM PST US From: "gottfried komaier" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Air Vents - Help required please Hi Kingsley, http://www.ncmarine.de/index.php?cPath=23_57 I hope this helps. Gottfried -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Kingsley Hurst Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Mai 2010 12:04 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: [?? Probable Spam] Europa-List: Air Vents - Help required please Does anybody know where I can purchase an airvent such as the attached please. This vent has louvres which can be closed to shut off the airflow and when open they can be rotated to direct the air in any direction. All I know is that they are made by Prima in Italy but all my searching for it on the list has so far been in vain. Any help would be much appreciated thanks. Kingsley in Oz ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:15 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Europa Length re 20' container Gidday, As I do not have engines, props, spinners on yet, I was wondering if someone with a finished a/c could clarify for me the overall length of the a/c from spinner to tailwheel, and from spinner to the aftmost point on the fin? I'm interested in seeing if my desire to get my Europa, in time, into a 20' container for overseas flying. To that end I have flirted with the idea of making the rudder drive mechanism "quick release", so that with minimum effort I can shorten the a/c's overall length. My intention would be to attempt to design a trailer that would have a foldable gooseneck, the structure that the towing cup is connected to, so that I can increase the length of the trailer once offloaded. Any help or advice much appreciated. Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:52 PM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure Yes, it was me who suggested the use of MDS-filled nylon material from McMaster-Carr. I did some research during the selection process and if I remember correctly the MDS-filled nylon had the same or better flexural strength, better UV protection and slightly better impact strength. I have had my legs in service for just over seven years without issue. I too am using inline scooter wheels with a slimmed down mounting fork. I will take a picture and post it. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 Time: 11:48:18 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure Twas not me who suggested use of MDS-filled nylon 6/6 rod...I know nothing of its properties. I think it was Erich Trombley that said he was using the above... Re: wheels...I'm not familiar w/ "Easy-Rolls", but the 100 or 105 mm skate (or scooter) wheels spin silently forever...be advised that when buying them you will enter the world of ABEC ratings for various bearings...I opted for #9s but you can go for the ceramics for a few more bucks...I bought my inline wheels online at www.skates.com,,,bushes are also available to enable fitting within the SS forks. Thanks for that link, they have good service and reasonable prices. Related comment: From Kevin's drawing, he's apparently mastered the art of machining the factory-stock nylon rod...I had a devil of a time turning down my rods so that they might fit into the OR 1s. I am fortunate to have a friend close by with a lathe and a milling machine in his garage. He made the drawing and turned the rod into the part drawn. I plan to get with him on drawing up new slim forks for the skate wheels to go with the 5/8" fiberglass legs. Kevin N211KA ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4bf068533df1a4862fbst04vuc ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:29 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Length re 20' container Hi Tony, I considered using a 20' container as an affordable "hanger" at my second home in Alaska and so measured the length of my mono. I remember that it would fit, but I don't remember what the actual length was. I think your plan will work! Kevin ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:26 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure On May 16, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: > I too am using inline scooter wheels with a slimmed down mounting > fork. I will take a picture and post it. Erich...please consider posting some pixs and description of your retraction mechanism as well...I was quite intrigued by your description at SnF last year...Fred ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:07 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure Hi Erich, What materials did you use to make your scooter wheel forks? I just got some .080 4130 steel sheet for a first try on the forks and .058 wall 3/4" (which is 5/8"ID) 4130 tube for the outrigger leg socket. Looking forward to seeing a picture, too. And I'm glad to hear that the MDS-filled nylon legs are serving you well. I thought I remembered that the MDS-filled nylon had lower friction properties, but was not any stronger. I'll see if I can find that info again. Did you ever break a Nylon 6/6 leg? Kevin N211KA XS Mono 914 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erich Trombley" Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure > > > Yes, it was me who suggested the use of MDS-filled nylon material from > McMaster-Carr. I did some research during the selection process and if I > remember correctly the MDS-filled nylon had the same or better flexural > strength, better UV protection and slightly better impact strength. I > have had my legs in service for just over seven years without issue. I > too am using inline scooter wheels with a slimmed down mounting fork. I > will take a picture and post it. > > Erich Trombley > N28ET Classic Mono 914 > > Time: 11:48:18 AM PST US > From: "Kevin Klinefelter" > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger leg failure > > > Twas not me who suggested use of MDS-filled nylon 6/6 rod...I know > nothing of its properties. > > I think it was Erich Trombley that said he was using the above... > > > Re: wheels...I'm not familiar w/ "Easy-Rolls", but the 100 or 105 mm > skate (or scooter) wheels spin silently forever...be advised that when > buying them you will enter the world of ABEC ratings for various > bearings...I opted for #9s but you can go for the ceramics for a few > more bucks...I bought my inline wheels online at www.skates.com,,,bushes > are also available to enable fitting within the SS forks. > > Thanks for that link, they have good service and reasonable prices. > > > Related comment: From Kevin's drawing, he's apparently mastered the > art of machining the factory-stock nylon rod...I had a devil of a time > turning down my rods so that they might fit into the OR 1s. > > I am fortunate to have a friend close by with a lathe and a milling > machine in his garage. He made the drawing and turned the rod into the > part drawn. I plan to get with him on drawing up new slim forks for the > skate wheels to go with the 5/8" fiberglass legs. > > > Kevin > N211KA > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4bf068533df1a4862fbst04vuc > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Length re 20' container From: duanefamly@aol.com Tony, I have an XS in a conventional gear configuration and a Jab 3300 with the associated FWF kit. With that in mind, I measured furthest portion of the tailwheel to the tip of the spinner measured 18 ft 10 inches. And from th e furthest portion of the rudder to the tip of the spinner measured 19 ft 8 1/4 inches. I guess you could remove the spinner and rudder to get some extra room for shifting. Good luck. Mike Duane Redding, California -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 1:54 pm Subject: Europa-List: Europa Length re 20' container Gidday, s I do not have engines, props, spinners on yet, I was wondering if someon e ith a finished a/c could clarify for me the overall length of the a/c from pinner to tailwheel, and from spinner to the aftmost point on the fin? I'm nterested in seeing if my desire to get my Europa, in time, into a 20' ontainer for overseas flying. To that end I have flirted with the idea of aking the rudder drive mechanism "quick release", so that with minimum eff ort I an shorten the a/c's overall length. My intention would be to attempt to design trailer that would have a foldable gooseneck, the structure that the towi ng up is connected to, so that I can increase the length of the trailer once ffloaded. 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