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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Old trim wiring (rparigoris)
2. 02:23 AM - Re: Re: Old trim wiring (Raimo Toivio)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: Re: Re: Old trim wiring (mau11)
4. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: Old trim wiring (Raimo Toivio)
5. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Re: Old trim wiring (mau11)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Old trim wiring (h&jeuropa)
7. 02:51 PM - Re: Europa News (Raimo Toivio)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: Europa News (Fred Klein)
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10. 06:23 PM - Re: Europa News (Peter Zutrauen)
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Hi Michel
I don't know how close MAC is to Ray Allen, but have a look at:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACinfo/downloadpg.html
especially the first on list:
http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsT2andT3.pdf
They also have info on stick switches and relay decks (do it yourself too).
Remember it is best if you short both motor input wires together when you take
off power (acts as a generator, by shorting it acts like a brake!).
Also you can check out Aeroelectric schematic:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/trim.pdf
You can more easily follow dynamic braking here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/flaps.pdf
If this wasn't more information than you wanted to know, hopeful this will push
you over the edge:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Trim_System_Failures.pdf
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
Ron Parigoris
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Hi Michel
I hate scannning but can do it or take a photo and send it to you.
Unfortunately I noticed my drawings are RAC (Ray Allen C) no MAC.
Please confirm if RAC is ok for you.
Wishes, Raimo
From: mau11
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Hi Raimo,
Thanks for your assistance I have only a mail no fax sorry, is it
possible to scan and send Pdf document?
Good day
27-05-2010
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De : Raimo Toivio
Date/heure : 26-05-2010 21:44:38
A : europa-list@matronics.com
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Sujet : Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Michel,
I think I have it and I could also find it!
Would you please give me a fax number where to send it?
Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +150 hrs
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
From: mau11
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Hi all
I have MAC pitch trim since 1994, my installation included:
Rocker switch, grip switchs, Needle indicator, relay and speedcontrol.
Does anyone have old wiring drawing, because I rebuildt the panel and
don't have this electric scheme.
Thanks
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26-05-2010
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| Subject: | Re: Old trim wiring |
I am sure my drawing consists all those items including the needle
indicator. You will get it.
R
From: mau11
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
The problem I have is the old needle indicator, relay, rocker, and stick
grip wiring together.
27-05-2010
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De : Raimo Toivio
Date/heure : 27-05-2010 11:29:39
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Sujet : Re: Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Hi Michel
I hate scannning but can do it or take a photo and send it to you.
Unfortunately I noticed my drawings are RAC (Ray Allen C) no MAC.
Please confirm if RAC is ok for you.
Wishes, Raimo
From: mau11
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Hi Raimo,
Thanks for your assistance I have only a mail no fax sorry, is it
possible to scan and send Pdf document?
Good day
27-05-2010
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De : Raimo Toivio
Date/heure : 26-05-2010 21:44:38
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Cc :
Sujet : Re: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Michel,
I think I have it and I could also find it!
Would you please give me a fax number where to send it?
Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +150 hrs
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
From: mau11
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Old trim wiring
Hi all
I have MAC pitch trim since 1994, my installation included:
Rocker switch, grip switchs, Needle indicator, relay and speedcontrol.
Does anyone have old wiring drawing, because I rebuildt the panel and
don't have this electric scheme.
Thanks
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Michel,
MAC is now Ray Allen. Sons took over the business from their father. Their website has install documents. This link includes speed control and relay. http://www.rayallencompany.com/RACmedia/instructionsSPD.pdf
Hope this helps.
Jim & Heather
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Ian
that was shocking info!
I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really
the 1000th.
KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th.
I wish all the best for Swift (and for us, builders, operators and
Europa owners).
The Kit Planes article made good for us (thanks for Kim Prout!).
The completed and well test flight Europa retail price: it should be
around 80.000 - 120.000 euros when compareing for typical LSA-types.
Our Europas are much much more than any LSAs as we well know!
Please if you are forced to sell, ask more!
You Englishmen - sell worldwide - not only inside your little island
which is full of all kind of flying items!
We are the market!
Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +154 hrs (that is the one and only in the
country so it must be the most valuable in the country)
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
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f +358-3-3753 100
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From: G-IANI
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa News
Raimo
To the best of my knowledge the total number of Europa kits sold to date
is about 900. I worked out that Peter Kember's aircraft (which KW
decided to label the "1000th") was probably No 890.
>From 2004 to 2008 (when Swift took over) the total number of new kits
sold was I believe 4.
Since Swift took over I believe they have sold 2 and have orders for
about 3.
As for the number flying this is harder to estimate. In the UK we have
about 170 with permits. Worldwide your 300 is probably about right
The price of a low hours (nearly new) built Europa has, for a number of
year, been about the cost of the parts. Given that the buyer has to
accept the risk of discovering faults, damage this is not surprising.
As the aircraft get older the price drops a little. You have to look
very carefully at the details of the aircraft (Classic or XS, engine,
paintwork, upholstery, avionics etc) to know if the price is fair.
On day, when I have time, I would like to research these figures as part
of a "History of Europa".
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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On May 27, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> The completed and well test flight Europa retail price: it should be
> around 80.000 - 120.000 euros when compareing for typical LSA-types.
Raimo,
FWIW, when I last checked Barnstormers.com, there was a Classic for
sale w/ 250 hrs., 80 hp 912, all mandatory mods done...askin price of
$22,500 USD...located in state of Georgia, USA I believe...not sure
who built it or quality of build, but photos look fine...go figure...
Fred
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Hi Guys,
A friend of mine phone me this evening to ask me if I would ask around to
see if any builder was looking to buy a Garmin 430. The unit is brand new
,
has never been run and is still in it's box.
He is currently building a Vans RV6 and was going to use the 430 as his
backup radio! He has a 530 installed in the panel alread!
He is looking for around =A33,500 for it which is a fair price bearing in
mind they are well over =A34k.
Anyone interested, please let me know and I will give you his number.
kind regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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**This email is written without malice.**
"I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really the
1000th.
KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th."
It is absolutely *not* surprising. KW definitively lied to me directly
and deceived me on the phone less than 2 weeks before Europa went bankrupt
.
In my lay-person's opinion, KW should be serving jail time for his
wrong-doings, deceit, and unethical opportunism. Many people, and the brand
suffered as a result.
How one person was left to financially crush a company with a great product
is still beyond my comprehension.
I also wish the best for Swift - the Europa is still a very eloquent design
.
It was definitely way ahead of its time.
Cheers,
Pete
**This email is written without malice.**
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
> Ian
>
> that was shocking info!
>
> I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really the
> 1000th.
> KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th.
>
> I wish all the best for Swift (and for us, builders, operators and Europa
> owners).
>
> The Kit Planes article made good for us (thanks for Kim Prout!).
>
> The completed and well test flight Europa retail price: it should be arou
nd
> 80.000 - 120.000 euros when compareing for typical LSA-types.
>
> Our Europas are much much more than any LSAs as we well know!
>
> Please if you are forced to sell, ask more!
>
> You Englishmen - sell worldwide - not only inside your little island whic
h
> is full of all kind of flying items!
>
> We are the market!
>
> Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +154 hrs (that is the one and only in the
> country so it must be the most valuable in the country)
>
> 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
> FINLAND
>
> p +358-3-3753 777
> f +358-3-3753 100
>
> toivio@fly.to
> www.rwm.fi
>
> *From:* G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:31 PM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Europa News
>
> Raimo
>
>
> To the best of my knowledge the total number of Europa kits sold to date
is
> about 900. I worked out that Peter Kember=92s aircraft (which KW decided
to
> label the =931000th=94) was probably No 890.
>
> From 2004 to 2008 (when Swift took over) the total number of new kits sol
d
> was I believe 4.
>
>
> Since Swift took over I believe they have sold 2 and have orders for abou
t
> 3.
>
>
> As for the number flying this is harder to estimate. In the UK we have
> about 170 with permits. Worldwide your 300 is probably about right
>
>
> The price of a low hours (nearly new) built Europa has, for a number of
> year, been about the cost of the parts. Given that the buyer has to acce
pt
> the risk of discovering faults, damage this is not surprising. As the
> aircraft get older the price drops a little. You have to look very
> carefully at the details of the aircraft (Classic or XS, engine, paintwor
k,
> upholstery, avionics etc) to know if the price is fair.
>
>
> On day, when I have time, I would like to research these figures as part
of
> a =93History of Europa=94.
>
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
> Europa Club Mods Specialist
> e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
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