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Fri 06/11/10


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 12:10 AM - Propeller - Flying in rain (Sidsel og Svein Johnsen)
     2. 02:11 AM - Re: Ktiplanes Video Clip (Raimo Toivio)
     3. 05:24 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Frans Veldman)
     4. 05:33 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Bob Fairall)
     5. 07:55 AM - Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues) (Raimo Toivio)
     6. 08:45 AM - Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues) (Frans Veldman)
     7. 10:54 AM - Re: Intercooler for 914 (rparigoris)
     8. 11:08 AM - Band Clamps (Martin Tuck)
     9. 11:24 AM - Re: Propeller - Flying in rain (Raimo Toivio)
    10. 11:24 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Carl Pattinson)
    11. 11:38 AM - Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues) (Raimo Toivio)
    12. 11:38 AM - Poham Europa flyin (Rayfitton@virginmedia.com)
    13. 11:38 AM - Re: Band Clamps (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
    14. 11:51 AM - Re: Poham Europa flyin (rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk)
    15. 12:17 PM - Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues) (Frans Veldman)
    16. 01:28 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
    17. 01:38 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Peter Jeffers)
    18. 01:38 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Steven Pitt)
    19. 01:56 PM - 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-in (zwakie)
    20. 02:33 PM - Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues) (Thomas Scherer)
    21. 03:32 PM - Re: Dog box size and flap. (JEFF ROBERTS)
    22. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Dog box size and flap. (Frans Veldman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:10:32 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel og Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Propeller - Flying in rain
    Here is the reply from Martin Eskildsen at Airmaster: To my knowledge the blades should be fine in rain as the Nickel will protect the leading edge. Plastic tape can also be used on the inner part of the blade if necessary. - and here are the comments from Daryl Heinemann at Warp Drive Inc.: Martin is correct in that the blades will stand up very well to rain as long as you have the nickel leading edges on them. We put on as much nickel as we can based on the diameter of the propeller which will cover almost half of the length of each blade. Once you get inboard of where the nickel ends the speed of the blade at that point is much slower than the tip so it is not as proned to wear or damage. The Stoneguard leading edge tapes that we can provide are in 12" lengths. If you know that you will fly through rain at some point we recommend cutting these pieces in half and putting a 6" piece from the point where the nickel ends towards the center. This will protect the remaining inner portion of the blades leading edge and can be pulled off and replaced if it does sustain damage. The only other issue with flying in rain is wearing the painted finish off the back side of the blade. We use a flat black lacquer paint for the factory finish which will take some time to wear through but you may start to see the carbon fabric pattern showing through over time. You can re-apply the flat black lacquer paint if needed, however, you must take care in giving the blades an even coat or else you can throw the balance off. If you get to that point please let us know and we can give more details on this. Regards Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 02:11:52 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Ktiplanes Video Clip
    Wonderful! He said "I just love it. It just feels right". And almost crying. Me too. Terveisin, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +150 hrs 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi From: Erich Trombley Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Ktiplanes Video Clip Below is a link to Kitplanes video clip of Kim Prout and his lovely bird. The video is about 5 min long. Good stuff. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0et96eefLM Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Single and 21+ Women Find men near you. Free to browse profiles. online-date.org


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    Time: 05:24:10 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Popham International flyin
    On 06/11/2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: > YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! We sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join the party, but we didn't get a reply. Anyway, is there a list of who's attending? We plan to go there tomorrow, if weather permits. Frans Veldman


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    Time: 05:33:32 AM PST US
    From: Bob Fairall <Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
    Subject: Popham International flyin
    I'm planning to go ........... Bob Fairall, G-BXLK, Classic mono. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 11 June 2010 13:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin On 06/11/2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: > YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! We sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join the party, but we didn't get a reply. Anyway, is there a list of who's attending? We plan to go there tomorrow, if weather permits. Frans Veldman ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________


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    Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues)
    Frans, smart ideas there and there and the best part of them is that they all are free to use for everybody if person just happens to like them! During the building phase I read much of the cooling problems. My solution: I have no oil radiator at all! In the tunnel there is only the water rad ! My Europa is cooling (or in fact adjusting or controlling) the oil temp by the aid of the oil-water exchanger. That is a simple aluminium block between the foot wells. Water and oil inputs and outputs. It is size like a typical brick. The oil temp is following the water temp like a humble slave: when the water temp goes upp, the oil temp is sligtly less and the when water temp goes down, the oil temp is again slightly more. The cooling system includes also a water thermostat. I think it is "The Must" at least when flying during Finnish winter time. The engine warming time is minimized as is also engine wear, the cockpit is well heated and engine temp is fixed. All the water cooled cars do have water thermostats... (OK - I know - some of you are tempted to think a thermostat is a risk. Well - please do not install thermostats in that case - just fly!) Terveisin, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +150 hrs Grounded so far and it is in its home hangar because she is waiting for a new "Europa Hall" in the EFTP and that will be completed next Monday !!! 37500 Lempl FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi -------------------------------------------------- From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@privatepilots.nl> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Underseat Fuel System > <frans@privatepilots.nl> > > On 06/08/2010 09:53 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: >> I have drainage holes there also but blocked >> them by glued pieces of >> blue foam. >> If some free fuel occurs, it will immediately >> melt its way out. > > Smart idea! > > I put all fuel related stuff (pumps, filters, > valves, flow sensors) in a > sealed box, with a hatch to the underside of the > plane. From there I can > access the gascolator, and if there develops a > leak in the dozen or so > T's and other connections, it will leak out via > the hatch. I won't even > have a fuel smell inside the cockpit. > > But still, I like your idea to have a few "melt > holes" at strategic > places. It seems the tank can leak too! So, now > I have found a use for > my scrap blue foam. > > Frans > > browse > Un/Subscription, > Chat, FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > Web Forums! > List Admin. > > >


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    Time: 08:45:23 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues)
    On 06/11/2010 04:39 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > My solution: I have no oil radiator at all! > In the tunnel there is only the water rad ! That should also be better than the tandem radiator setup. How does it behave in warm weather? Can you fly normally in temperatures of 35 degrees? > The cooling system includes also a water thermostat. > I think it is "The Must" at least when flying during Finnish winter time. Well, you could achieve the same with a cowl flap I think. > (OK - I know - some of you are tempted to think a thermostat is a risk. > Well - please do not install thermostats in that case - just fly!) The reason I don't like thermostats is that you will still have the cooling drag, due to dragging air through the radiator, while you actually don't want to cool anything. With a cowl flap that closes off the air flow through the radiator, you can also prevent overcooling, but at the same time you reduce drag. Frans


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    Time: 10:54:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Intercooler for 914
    From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Frans Here are a few pics of UMAs air box probe housing they sold me: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=78342 Last 3 pics. Please let me know if this is the probe housing you are not having problems with. I specific ordered from them figuring they had it figured out, but my initial feeling was it is too short. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300940#300940


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    Time: 11:08:57 AM PST US
    From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com>
    Subject: Band Clamps
    Hi Folks, I am forever having trouble keeping the exhaust heat shield located using the 6 inch worm drive band clamps. I tighten hem up as hard as I can but they expand with the heat and vibrate off. I'm looking for a source of the type of clamp found on the Rotax oil tank holding the two halves together (except with a plain band not a v-section) that you do up then close tighter with a mechanical lever. Any ideas? Martin Tuck Europa N152MT Wichita, Kansas


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    Time: 11:24:03 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Propeller - Flying in rain
    Hi Flying in rain is a serious problem for un-coated /varnished) pure wooden blades. Last summer my friend flied through a heavy rain just few minutes and he almost lost his blades! All the blade tips [3] were gone and other parts of the blades were damaged. Now he is flying again with same prop. He just cut the damaged blade tip ends. Now he has a real climbing prop he reported. Plane: PIK-18 (only one in the world), engine VW, prop is hand made or factory made, I do not know so far. Engine revs before rain max 3000, now (with shortened blades) 3300 rpm ! Terveisin, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +150 hrs 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi From: Sidsel og Svein Johnsen Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Europa-List: Propeller - Flying in rain Here is the reply from Martin Eskildsen at Airmaster: To my knowledge the blades should be fine in rain as the Nickel will protect the leading edge. Plastic tape can also be used on the inner part of the blade if necessary. - and here are the comments from Daryl Heinemann at Warp Drive Inc.: Martin is correct in that the blades will stand up very well to rain as long as you have the nickel leading edges on them. We put on as much nickel as we can based on the diameter of the propeller which will cover almost half of the length of each blade. Once you get inboard of where the nickel ends the speed of the blade at that point is much slower than the tip so it is not as proned to wear or damage. The Stoneguard leading edge tapes that we can provide are in 12" lengths. If you know that you will fly through rain at some point we recommend cutting these pieces in half and putting a 6" piece from the point where the nickel ends towards the center. This will protect the remaining inner portion of the blades leading edge and can be pulled off and replaced if it does sustain damage. The only other issue with flying in rain is wearing the painted finish off the back side of the blade. We use a flat black lacquer paint for the factory finish which will take some time to wear through but you may start to see the carbon fabric pattern showing through over time. You can re-apply the flat black lacquer paint if needed, however, you must take care in giving the blades an even coat or else you can throw the balance off. If you get to that point please let us know and we can give more details on this. Regards Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 11:24:03 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Popham International flyin
    When does the AGM start - we plan to arrive for about 1.00pm. And what time is the barbie ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:05 AM Subject: Europa-List: Popham International flyin YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! The airfield is waiting................................. The Marquee is erected............................. 5 Europas await their brothers .................... Where will you be this weekend?????? The Europa Club is looking forward to welcoming you to Popham over the next three days to enjoy a feast of Europas and guests from all over the UK and Europe (weather permitting). The AGM will be held Saturday afternoon. See you soon. Regards Steve Pitt on behalf of the Europa Club


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    Time: 11:38:42 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues)
    How does it > behave in warm weather? Can you fly normally in > temperatures of 35 degrees? +35 degrees here is definetely not a common situation in (Great) Finland but around 25-30C - no problem - even with a full power and climbing @ 70 knots. So, it behaves well! And has behaved well three years and over 150 hrs. (BTW, during last May Finland was one week the hottest place in whole Europa including Italy and other southernmost places) > > > Well, you could achieve the same with a cowl > flap I think. That is true, but: a thermostat is automatic and a cowl flap is manual (or maybe you have an automatic motorized cowl flap including an electric thermostat ;)) Old timer cars did have manual curtains front of the rads...todays cars have been updated some years ago by thermostats...do they? Old timer engines have also manual mixture and manual ignition controls and so. OK: automatic = uncontrolled, manual = pilot controlled. That is good. Maybe you are right. The pilot controlled is better. That is why I have pilot controlled gears. You have automatic. They are (automatically) down and tracted. > > The reason I don't like thermostats is that you > will still have the > cooling drag, due to dragging air through the > radiator, while you > actually don't want to cool anything. > With a cowl flap that closes off the air flow > through the radiator, you > can also prevent overcooling, but at the same > time you reduce drag. OK Frans! You close your cooling flap. How much faster you are flying after that? And how long (before you have to open it again)? How many extra grams? What about if it will be seized to the closed position? OK, this has been wrote by your personal D.D. from Finland only, do not care. Kwaak kwaak. Raimo OH-XRT BTW what is The Date of The Texel Fly Inn - I do like to meet you (or your wife in fact) there! Would be wonderful and a real pleasure there to check our planes in EVERY direction you know. R (zero hours 2010) > > Frans > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > Chat, FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > Web Forums! > List Admin. > > >


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    Time: 11:38:47 AM PST US
    From: "Rayfitton@virginmedia.com" <rayfitton@virginmedia.com>
    Subject: Poham Europa flyin
    Is anybody attending this event this weekend Ray Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2010, at 16:20, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote: > > > > On 06/11/2010 04:39 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > >> My solution: I have no oil radiator at all! >> In the tunnel there is only the water rad ! > > That should also be better than the tandem radiator setup. How does it > behave in warm weather? Can you fly normally in temperatures of 35 > degrees? > >> The cooling system includes also a water thermostat. >> I think it is "The Must" at least when flying during Finnish winter >> time. > > Well, you could achieve the same with a cowl flap I think. > >> (OK - I know - some of you are tempted to think a thermostat is a >> risk. >> Well - please do not install thermostats in that case - just fly!) > > The reason I don't like thermostats is that you will still have the > cooling drag, due to dragging air through the radiator, while you > actually don't want to cool anything. > With a cowl flap that closes off the air flow through the radiator, > you > can also prevent overcooling, but at the same time you reduce drag. > > Frans > >


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    Time: 11:38:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Band Clamps
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Martin I am unfamiliar clamps that hold on 912/s heat shields (have a 914). You may want to have a look at www.mcmaster.com for some ideas. Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 11:51:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Poham Europa flyin
    From: rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk
    Certainly am. Rick G-RIKS Sent using BlackBerry from Orange -----Original Message----- From: "Rayfitton@virginmedia.com" <rayfitton@virginmedia.com> Sender: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Poham Europa flyin Is anybody attending this event this weekend Ray Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2010, at 16:20, Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote: > > > > On 06/11/2010 04:39 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > >> My solution: I have no oil radiator at all! >> In the tunnel there is only the water rad ! > > That should also be better than the tandem radiator setup. How does it > behave in warm weather? Can you fly normally in temperatures of 35 > degrees? > >> The cooling system includes also a water thermostat. >> I think it is "The Must" at least when flying during Finnish winter >> time. > > Well, you could achieve the same with a cowl flap I think. > >> (OK - I know - some of you are tempted to think a thermostat is a >> risk. >> Well - please do not install thermostats in that case - just fly!) > > The reason I don't like thermostats is that you will still have the > cooling drag, due to dragging air through the radiator, while you > actually don't want to cool anything. > With a cowl flap that closes off the air flow through the radiator, > you > can also prevent overcooling, but at the same time you reduce drag. > > Frans > >


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    Time: 12:17:09 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues)
    On 06/11/2010 08:09 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > How does it >> behave in warm weather? Can you fly normally in temperatures of 35 >> degrees? > > +35 degrees here is definetely not a common situation in (Great) Finland Neither here... but I intent to use my airplane to go to places, and I might find myself on a hot airfield someday. ;-) > but around 25-30C - no problem - even with a full power and climbing @ > 70 knots. Ok, sounds good. > You close your cooling flap. How much faster you are flying after that? 5 knots difference between the flap open (which is about the fixed position of a standard Europa aircraft) and cruise setting (= almost closed, flush with the bottom of the fuselage). You have a wheel to retract, I have a cowl flap to retract. Both save a few knots. You think it is worth it (otherwise why do you have a mono) and I think it is worth it (but I prefer to have 3 wheels instead of 4). Maybe we can do some racing someday. ;-) > And how long (before you have to open it again)? I don't need to open it for cruising and landing, but to take some of the workload away in the event I have to do a go around, opening the cowl flap is on my downwind checklist. If it fails to open I will just land without a go around. ;-) > How many extra grams? Well, I think it is lighter than the fixed standard cowling of the Europa. > What about if it will be seized to the closed position? Then I hate having to use full power. > BTW what is The Date of The Texel Fly Inn - I do like to meet you (or > your wife in fact) there! Would be wonderful and a real pleasure there > to check our planes in EVERY direction you know. I don't remember the date, but we will be there. And I will remember you in due time for that! ;-) Frans


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    Time: 01:28:46 PM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Popham International flyin
    I'm going but driving in. Be nice to see some Europeans there!=0AGraham=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bob Fairall <Bob.Faira ll@fairalls.co.uk>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics .com>=0ASent: Friday, 11 June, 2010 13:36:35=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Po l <Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>=0A=0AI'm planning to go ........... Bob Fair all, G-BXLK, Classic mono.=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-eu ropa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.c om] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman=0ASent: 11 June 2010 13:20=0ATo: europa-list @matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A=0A =0A=0AOn 06/11/2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote:=0A> YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!! !!=0A=0AWe sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join th e=0Aparty, but we didn't get a reply.=0A=0AAnyway, is there a list of who's attending? We plan to go there=0Atomorrow, if weather permits.=0A=0AFrans Veldman=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________________________________ ____________________=0AThis email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.=0AFor more information please visit http://www.messagelab s.com/email =0A____________________________________________________________ __________=0A=0A___________________________________________________________ ___________=0AThis email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.=0AFor more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/ema il =0A_____________________________________________________________________ =================


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    Time: 01:38:05 PM PST US
    From: "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Popham International flyin
    Hi Carl, AGM is 16:00 ish and BBQ is around 18:00 to 19:00 depending on the length of the AGM. Should be plenty of time after the BBQ to get back to Bicester. Weather looks great. Sue and I and several others will be staying over night so look forward to seeing you tomorrow. Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson Sent: 11 June 2010 19:18 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin When does the AGM start - we plan to arrive for about 1.00pm. And what time is the barbie ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven <mailto:steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Pitt Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:05 AM Subject: Europa-List: Popham International flyin YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! The airfield is waiting................................. The Marquee is erected............................. 5 Europas await their brothers .................... Where will you be this weekend?????? The Europa Club is looking forward to welcoming you to Popham over the next three days to enjoy a feast of Europas and guests from all over the UK and Europe (weather permitting). The AGM will be held Saturday afternoon. See you soon. Regards Steve Pitt on behalf of the Europa Club href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 01:38:51 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Popham International flyin
    Frans Great to hear from you - shame about todays weather - this evening at Popham was glorious - Dave and I sat outside until 8.00 o'clock in case of any arrivals and hope that we see many of you tomorrow. We do not have a list of attendees as most have been waiting to see what the weather brings. Looks good for the next two days. The marquee is available for sleeping in if required although there is plenty of space for tents and aircraft. See you tomorrow. Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@privatepilots.nl> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin > > On 06/11/2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: >> YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! > > We sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join the > party, but we didn't get a reply. > > Anyway, is there a list of who's attending? We plan to go there > tomorrow, if weather permits. > > Frans Veldman > > >


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    Time: 01:56:32 PM PST US
    Subject: 2nd Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-in
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Following Ramio's question in another topic, I would like to inform everyone that the 2010 Dutch Light Aircraft Fly-in will be held from 17-19 September 2010. All information to be found on www.flyin.nl (www.flyin.nl) , signing in for this event is open (to date some 40 planes have already signed in). Let's try to have an even longer Europa line-up than the impressive one we had last year! Of course, credit where credit's due: europaphiles Tim Weert and Henk Roelofs are the great initiators and organizers of this great event! -------- Marcel (Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW - formerly G-BWON) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300957#300957


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    Time: 02:33:59 PM PST US
    From: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
    Subject: Re: Underseat Fuel System (+cooling issues)
    . . > > Ok, sounds good. > >> You close your cooling flap. How much faster you are flying after that? > > 5 knots difference between the flap open (which is about the fixed > position of a standard Europa aircraft) and cruise setting (= almost > closed, flush with the bottom of the fuselage). . . Five knots ? Is it ok if I beg to be surprised ? BTW, when will Texel be ?


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    Time: 03:32:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Dog box size and flap.
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <Jeff@rmmm.net>
    On the figures below I would like to see pictures of the opening if possible. When I take Goldrush down for the winter annual I was going to start cutting on the dog box to reduce it and fix a flap. I would like to see what others have done to reduce the box size and opening if possible. I now have much lower temps. I can't get the CHT's to break 250 F even on a hot day climb. Hey Paul... did you ever get your mods on that completed? Just curious. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Jun 11, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Thomas Scherer wrote: > > > > . > . >> Ok, sounds good. >>> You close your cooling flap. How much faster you are flying after >>> that? >> 5 knots difference between the flap open (which is about the fixed >> position of a standard Europa aircraft) and cruise setting (= almost >> closed, flush with the bottom of the fuselage). > . > . > Five knots ? Is it ok if I beg to be surprised ? > > BTW, when will Texel be ? > >


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    Time: 04:02:24 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Dog box size and flap.
    On 06/12/2010 12:30 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > On the figures below I would like to see pictures of the opening if > possible. When I take Goldrush down for the winter annual I was going to > start cutting on the dog box to reduce it and fix a flap. I would like > to see what others have done to reduce the box size and opening if > possible. I now have much lower temps. I can't get the CHT's to break > 250 F even on a hot day climb. Reducing the inlet opening doesn't imply higher temperatures. The standard inlet is way to large: that area of air can never go through the radiator at the speed it enters. So a lot of turbulence is the result. A smaller opening with a properly designed diffuser will give more efficient cooling, with less drag. To reduce cooling, you can use a cowl flap. In cruise, where you spend most of the time, you need less cooling than during take off. You can use the cowl flap to direct the air parallel to the aircraft while cruising, and releasing it with the same speed as the air around it. This is a further reduction of cooling drag and turbulence. The standard exit is angled too steep, so the air curves around the outlet and produces turbulence. Also the exit is too large, larger than the void can be filled with air entering the cowl, or passing through the dual radiators. It all adds up. If you want to clean up the airplane, on the Europa the cowling is the place where you can gain the most. If I'm back from Popham, I will see if I can post some pictures. Frans




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