---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/13/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - access to fuel pipes (graeme bird) 2. 07:46 AM - Material for cockpit covering (graeme bird) 3. 09:05 AM - Re: access to fuel pipes (Fred Klein) 4. 10:33 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Mike Parkin) 5. 02:52 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 6. 03:04 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 7. 03:15 PM - Popham International Fly In. (Robert C Harrison) 8. 03:58 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (craig bastin) 9. 05:07 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (Fred Klein) 10. 05:59 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (craig bastin) 11. 07:29 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (rparigoris) 12. 07:30 PM - flaps (William Daniell) 13. 09:27 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Fred Klein) 14. 11:17 PM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:45 AM PST US From: "graeme bird" Subject: Europa-List: access to fuel pipes The kit I am completing has the old type cloth an rubber fuel pipes everywhere. I understand its recommended these are changed even if never used, what is the preferred type now and how the dickens do you get at the clips in the middle behind/under the seats? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:51 AM PST US From: "graeme bird" Subject: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Has anyone any suggestions for what to cover the cockpit walls and console with - foam backed leather or vynnl maybe? I suppose memory foam is the thing to use for the seats and seat backs - maybe 2-3 inches for seat and 1" for back, does that sound right? Regards Graeme ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:24 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: access to fuel pipes On Jun 13, 2010, at 7:43 AM, graeme bird wrote: > what is the preferred type now and how the dickens do you get at the > clips in the middle behind/under the seats? I've used the blue teflon-lined R9 hose throughout (aft of the firewall)...if your existing clips are not snug to the hose diameter, presumably one could thread new hose thru them w/ long tongs (hemostats)...nasty job...good luck...Fred ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:22 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Dave Buzz, Steve Pitt (+junior). Thanks to all you chaps at Popham, excellent organisation, great food, 'beverages' and company. The largest Europa line up I have ever seen. What more could one ask for. Regards to our friends from the Netherlands, your effort to attend made all the difference - "Dank U". Regards, Mike Do not archive. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 12 June 2010 23:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Just returned from a very successful Europa Flyin at Popham - nearly 40 Europas including 2 from Holland. Great weather, great company and an excellent day. More promised tomorrow. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: Rayfitton@virginmedia.com Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Just drove past and saw two of you parked up Gate was shut so gone home Ray Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2010, at 21:22, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: I'm going but driving in. Be nice to see some Europeans there! Graham _____ From: Bob Fairall Sent: Friday, 11 June, 2010 13:36:35 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin I'm planning to go ........... Bob Fairall, G-BXLK, Classic mono. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 11 June 2010 13:20 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin On 06/11/2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: > YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!! We sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join the party, but we didn't get a reply. Anyway, is there a list of who's attending? We plan to go there tomorrow, if weather permits. Frans Veldman ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ --> face="courier new,courier">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07:35:00 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:06 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Someone had mentioned to me to look at trunk (boot in the UK) lining materi al, avaialable at auto or truck supply stores.=C2-=C2-It can be glued i n quite easily.=C2- For my plane, I intend to paint the interior initiall y.=C2- Seats -- can't help you, I still need to cross that bridge.=C2- My intent is to have some fairly simple cushions made and velcro them in. =C2- My wife is short, so we will have them made for her from two differe nt thicknesses.=C2- Jim Puglise A-283=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:46:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Has anyone any suggestions for what to cover the cockpit walls and console with - foam backed leather or vynnl maybe? I suppose memory foam is the thing to use for the seats and seat backs - ma ybe 2-3 inches for seat and 1" for back, does that sound right? =============== == ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:31 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Popham 2010,=0AWorth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Da ve Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to e verything the club does. =0AThe arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my s hort term memory for names has hiccuped again)=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: Mike Parkin =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, 13 June, 2010 18:29 :20=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A=0A =0ADave Bu zz, Steve Pitt (+junior).=0A =0AThanks to all you chaps at Popham, excellen t organisation, great=0Afood, =98beverages=99 and company. The largest Europa line up I have=0Aever seen. What more could one ask for.=0A Regards to our friends from the Netherlands, your effort to=0Aattend made a ll the difference =93 =9CDank U=9D.=0A =0ARegards,=0A =0A Mike=0A =0ADo not archive.=0A =0AFrom:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.co m=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pit t=0ASent: 12 June 2010 23:20=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A =0AJust=0Areturned from a very successful Europa Flyin at Popham - nearly 40 Europas=0Aincluding 2 from Ho lland. Great weather, great company and an excellent day.=0AMore=0Apromised tomorrow.=0ASteve=0APitt=0AG-SMDH=0A>=0A>>=0A>-----=0A>Original Message -- --- =0A>>=0A>From:Rayfitton@virginmedia.com =0A>>=0A>To:europa-list@matroni cs.com =0A>>=0A>Sent:Saturday, June 12,=0A>2010 7:52 AM=0A>>=0A>Subject:Re: Europa-List:=0A>Popham International flyin=0A>>=0A> =0A>>=0A>Just drove pa st and saw two of you parked up=0A>>=0A> =0A>>=0A>Gate was shut so gone hom e=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>>=0A>Ray =0A>>=0A>=0A>>Sent from my iPhone=0A>>=0A> =0A>>On 11 Jun 2010, at 21:22, GRAHAM SINGLETON =0A>wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>I'm going but driving in. Be nice to see some Europeans=0A>>there!=0A>>>>Graham=0A>>>>=0A>> =0A>>>>=0A> >>>=0A________________________________=0A >>=0A>>From:Bob Fairall =0A>>To: "europa-list@matronics.com"=0A>>=0A>>Sent: Friday, 11 June, 2010 13:36:35=0A>>Subject: RE: Euro pa-List: Popham International flyin=0A>>=0A>>>>--> Europa-List message post ed by: Bob Fairall =0A>>=0A>>>>I'm planning to go ........... Bob Fairall, G-BXLK, Classic mono.=0A>>=0A>>>>-----Original Message-----=0A>>>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>[mailto:o wner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]=0A>>On Behalf Of Frans Veldman=0A>>> >Sent: 11 June 2010 13:20=0A>>>>To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A>>>>Subject : Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A>>=0A>>>>--> Europa-List me ssage posted by: Frans Veldman =0A>>=0A>>>>On 06/11 /2010 08:05 AM, Steven Pitt wrote:=0A>>>>> YOUR CLUB NEEDS YOU!!!!!=0A>>=0A >>>>We sent a mail to David Blossomworth about our intention to join the=0A >>>>party, but we didn't get a reply.=0A>>=0A>>>>Anyway, is there a list of who's attending? 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Hi! Steve Pit and Dave Buzz. Thanks for organizing the Fly In and although I only got to briefly meet one continental I am delighted to see some able to sample our hospitality since they have so often made us welcome at their Rallies all over Europe. I was also pleased to have been able to get G-PTAG out of it's "stable" and use it again. We are hoping that a great many of you will support us at the Wickenby Wings and Wheels Air Show next weekend 19th and 20th.(EGNW) There will be a number of "classic old birds" strutting their stuff and static displays too. Just out of interest the TruTrak wing leveler enabled me to fly "hands totally free" from 2,000ft leaving Wickenby through to Popham and back. Even the pitch was managed by trim and power all the way. Pity I didn't have it before on many of my continental tours. It would have saved many a close shave. Regards to all. Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:41 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy, kingsley in australia showed me his latex memory foam seat base cushions and they must have weighed about 15kg, unless you are refering to different foam -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of graeme bird Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:46 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Has anyone any suggestions for what to cover the cockpit walls and console with - foam backed leather or vynnl maybe? I suppose memory foam is the thing to use for the seats and seat backs - maybe 2-3 inches for seat and 1" for back, does that sound right? Regards Graeme ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:16 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:04 PM, craig bastin wrote: > one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy I just weighed my cushions...seat back cushion = 0.9 pounds; seat cushion = 3.75 pounds (each (obviously uncovered)...total: 9.2 pounds. Seat backs are 1" regular foam wrapped around 2 sticks of left over memory foam for lumbar support + regular foam wedges. Seat cushion is 1" hi dens memory foam (green) + 1" less dens memory foam (blue) + reg foam wedges. For better thigh support, seat cushion extends about 4" fwd of vertical CM diaphragm . The green foam is so-called "crash foam"...a real plus IMO. Note, in photo, back cushions are temporarily propped up w/ some pink rigid foam blocks; covering will include velcro straps down the rear face of the raised portion of the CM. Though I've yet to spend hours on end just sitting and making airplane noises...they do seem comfy. Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:56 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering that is certainly a lot lighter than kingsley's, he must be using different stuff -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 10:06 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:04 PM, craig bastin wrote: one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy I just weighed my cushions...seat back cushion = 0.9 pounds; seat cushion = 3.75 pounds (each (obviously uncovered)...total: 9.2 pounds. Seat backs are 1" regular foam wrapped around 2 sticks of left over memory foam for lumbar support + regular foam wedges. Seat cushion is 1" hi dens memory foam (green) + 1" less dens memory foam (blue) + reg foam wedges. For better thigh support, seat cushion extends about 4" fwd of vertical CM diaphragm . The green foam is so-called "crash foam"...a real plus IMO. Note, in photo, back cushions are temporarily propped up w/ some pink rigid foam blocks; covering will include velcro straps down the rear face of the raised portion of the CM. Though I've yet to spend hours on end just sitting and making airplane noises...they do seem comfy. Fred ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:03 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Material for cockpit covering From: "rparigoris" Hi Graeme You may find some useful info about Factory interior here: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28441 After adding lumbar support and making adjustments, fit is OK and seems comfortable (not yet flying). Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301115#301115 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:33 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: flaps well i finally got my flaps assembled following the procedure in the book.... I find that there is about 4 degrees of difference in the deflection of the flaps. I am assuming that this is not normal and will cause weird flying characteristics but before I take everything to bits (for the umpteenth time) i wanted to consult the collective wisdom about this. Will ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:37 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: > Europa Flyin at Popham - nearly 40 Europas including 2 from Holland. Congratulations gentlemen...does anyone have a pix or two?...would love to see 40 Europas in a row... F. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:53 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Craig, It is obviously too long since you visited me. All my cushions as supplied by Oregon Aero weigh a total of 5 kg (11 lbs) The extra 10kg you speak of is probably about right for the amount that "I" am too heavy!! Cheers Kingsley Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy, kingsley in australia showed me his latex memory foam seat base cushions and they must have weighed about 15kg, unless you are refering to different foam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.