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1. 01:29 AM - Re: flaps (Peter Jeffers)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (G-IANI)
3. 01:32 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Frans Veldman)
4. 02:58 AM - Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! (Ratherfly)
5. 03:51 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 04:43 AM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (craig bastin)
7. 06:15 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Steven Pitt)
8. 06:40 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
9. 06:57 AM - Re: flaps (Bud Yerly)
10. 07:40 AM - Europa wanted (John Greenhalgh)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Ray Fitton)
12. 12:51 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Carl Pattinson)
13. 01:02 PM - Piano hinge for cowling (AirEupora)
14. 01:44 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Steven Pitt)
15. 10:57 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (John Wighton)
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Since both flaps are driven by the same motor (lever, if we are talking
Monowheel)then the only way the movement range of the two flaps can differ
is if when retracted one flap reaches its up stop (ie in the wing T/E) 4
degrees before the other. Due to the flexibility of the linking drive rod
(sorry can't remember the part no) one flap can stop prior to the other but
will end up fully retracted ie zero degrees, with the link rod slightly
twisted. Trouble is when you extend, one flap will start moving
significantly prior to the other. They both stop moving when the flap motor
stops but one will have travelled further.
If you find this to be the case then the problem is with the original flap
rigging to the drive link rod. Possibly incorrect attachment of the link rod
to the fuselage flap hinge arm.
Pete Jeffers
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell
Sent: 14 June 2010 03:29
Subject: Europa-List: flaps
well i finally got my flaps assembled following the procedure in the
book....
I find that there is about 4 degrees of difference in the deflection of
the flaps.
I am assuming that this is not normal and will cause weird flying
characteristics but before I take everything to bits (for the umpteenth
time) i wanted to consult the collective wisdom about this.
Will
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| Subject: | Popham International flyin |
Graham
Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead
to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt
Ian Rickard
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Popham 2010,
Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the
generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave
Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to
everything the club does.
The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to meet
you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory for
names has hiccuped again)
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
It was great to see so many Europa's, and to meet the owners.
(Of course, so many new faces and names, forgive me if at subsequent
meetings I will still have some of the faces coupled to the wrong names,
or worse, coupled to the wrong airplanes.)
Thanks especially to the Europa club for its warm hospitality! We
received a special reward for having the long distance travelled to
Popham, English TEA has now a new meaning to us and also the mug is
appreciated very much.
The return home was uneventful, apart from that we got to deal with
immigrations & customs at our stop at EHMZ. Interestingly the other
Dutch folks were not subjected to their questions, as we were the only
ones who managed to got our flight plan activated through the clearly
overworked manning of London Information. (There were problems at
Popham, and also Farnborough was unable to get the flight plans going,
and London Information was almost too busy to get through).
Weather was ok over the channel, although it was a bit cloudy here and
there. We crossed at about 3500 feet but had to descend to 2500 feet in
Belgium airspace because of the lower ceiling.
Although most of the Dutch planes (two Europa's and some 4 of another
kind) departed individually from Popham and via a different routing,
everyone made a fuel & food stop at EHMZ (they have mogas and excellent
food) so we had a small reunion and a subsequent lunch together before
we all departed to our own destinations. (We decided to refuel as our
fuel flow got somewhat higher since the cooling system finally works so
well that we are now cruising with the needles on the other end of the
scale, leaving the oil and water a bit too cold for economic operation).
The last part of our journey was the hardest part because we were
clearly tired. Obtaining better camping (sleeping) equipment is now high
on our priority list.
Thanks to all for a wonderful weekend!
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! |
http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email then; I'm t
oo far away to really know what goes on though=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>=0ATo: euro
pa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43=0ASubject: RE:
Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A=0A =0AGraham=0A =0AYour short te
rm memory loss is greatly regretted especially as=0Ait lead to you leaving
out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt=0A =0AIan Rickard=0A =0AFrom:owner
-europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matron
ics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM=0ASINGLETON=0ASent: 13 June 2010 23:04=0ATo: e
uropa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International f
lyin=0A =0APopham 2010,=0AWorth every penny of the subs just to experience
the results=0Athe generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but
especially Dave=0ABuzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enor
mous boost to=0Aeverything the club does. =0AThe arrival of old and new Dut
ch friends was a high point,=0Anice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wond
erful ladies, (my short term memory=0Afor names has hiccuped again)=0A =0AG
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| Subject: | Material for cockpit covering |
sorry my mistake kingsley maybe it was your gut i was thinking of...... only
joking
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:09 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering
Craig,
It is obviously too long since you visited me. All my cushions as supplied
by Oregon Aero weigh a total of 5 kg (11 lbs) The extra 10kg you speak of
is probably about right for the amount that "I" am too heavy!!
Cheers
Kingsley
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: craig bastin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering
one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy, kingsley in australia
showed me his latex memory foam seat base cushions and they must have
weighed
about 15kg, unless you are refering to different foam
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Don't worry Graham - it was great to see you again and glad you enjoyed
yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the Europa clan to
come to future events.
Kind regards to all and thank you to everyone for their kind comments.
It was a pleasure to see everyone and to enjoy your company.
Steve Pitt and son David.
----- Original Message -----
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email then;
I'm too far away to really know what goes on though
Graham
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From: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Graham
Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead
to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt
Ian Rickard
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Popham 2010,
Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the
generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave
Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to
everything the club does.
The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to
meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory
for names has hiccuped again)
Graham
http://www.matronics.c=================
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Thanks Steve, I always think its the least expensive way to meet a lot of f
riends in one place. Pleasure shared is twice the pleasure.=0Adid you ever
go to Rough River? long ride from Florida but the Canard RR meet is a must.
Paul McAllister and I went a few times and that persuaded Paul to organise
the Europa one. Be nice if it succeeds, its a good venue but you have to t
ake your own beer; why are fundamentalist politicians such a nuisance?=0AGr
aham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Steven Pitt <st
even.pitt2@ntlworld.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 14
June, 2010 14:14:25=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
=0A=0A=EF=BB =0ADon't worry Graham - it was great to see you again =0Aa
nd glad you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the
=0AEuropa clan to come to future events.=0AKind regards to all and thank yo
u to everyone for =0Atheir kind comments. It was a pleasure to see everyone
and to enjoy your =0Acompany.=0ASteve Pitt and son David.=0A----- Original
Message ----- =0A>From: GRAHAM SINGLETON =0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 =0A>AM=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List:
Popham =0A> International flyin=0A>=0A>=0A>I did wonder about that afterwa
rds, too late to unsay the email then; I'm =0A> too far away to really kno
w what goes on though=0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_________________________
_______=0A From: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>=0A>To: europa-list@matronics.
com=0A>Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 =0A> 9:28:43=0A>Subject: RE: =0A> Euro
pa-List: Popham International flyin=0A>=0A> > =0A>Graham=0A> =0A>Your =0A>
short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead to you
=0A> leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt=0A> =0A>Ian =0A> Ri
ckard=0A> =0A>From:> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com =0A> [mailto:
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM =0A> SINGLETON
=0A>Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04=0A>To: > europa-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject
: Re: Europa-List: Popham =0A> International flyin=0A> =0A>Popham 2010,=0A
>Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the =0A> results the gen
erosity of all the hard working committee achieve but =0A> especially Dave
Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an =0A> enormous boost
to everything the club does. =0A>The arrival of old and new Dutch friends w
as a high point, =0A> nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful la
dies, (my short term =0A> memory for names has hiccuped again)=0A> =0A>Gra
ham=0A>http://www.matronics.c===============
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Will,
Attached is a method of rigging a Europa for hands off. I never have
had to add an ugly trim tab to get one to fly straight.
Some techniques provided may mean you need to order new flap brackets to
get the rig right.
Usually on a new build, I use Bondo and wood shims to set the flaps
perfectly rigged with the incidence board provided in the manual.
Put the wings on and check from behind. When it is perfect, then finish
the hardware to make it right.
I have some experience with making silk purses out of sow's ears, and I
know yours will work out.
Email if you have extraordinary difficulty.
Hope this helps
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Europa Dealer
Europa Tech assistance.
----- Original Message -----
From: William Daniell<mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: Europa-List: flaps
<wdaniell@etb.net.co<mailto:wdaniell@etb.net.co>>
well i finally got my flaps assembled following the procedure in the
book....
I find that there is about 4 degrees of difference in the deflection
of
the flaps.
I am assuming that this is not normal and will cause weird flying
characteristics but before I take everything to bits (for the
umpteenth
time) i wanted to consult the collective wisdom about this.
Will
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avigator?Europa-List>
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I have been interested for some time in the Europa aircraft and now I am in
a possition to purchase. Would there be anyone thinking of selling a
trigear? My contact details are: Home telephone 01942 815227, Mobile 0787
647 3929 and Alternative Land telephone 01490 412793, email
john.greenhalgh1@sky.com
Regards John
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Sadly I missed this meeting due to work commitments
Is there any more Europa meeting in the Uk
Cheers Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Pitt
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Don't worry Graham - it was great to see you again and glad you
enjoyed yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the Europa
clan to come to future events.
Kind regards to all and thank you to everyone for their kind comments.
It was a pleasure to see everyone and to enjoy your company.
Steve Pitt and son David.
----- Original Message -----
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email
then; I'm too far away to really know what goes on though
Graham
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From: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Graham
Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it
lead to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt
Ian Rickard
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Popham 2010,
Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the
generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave
Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to
everything the club does.
The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to
meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory
for names has hiccuped again)
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Hi all,
Was I the only one taking piccies -
Wall to wall Europas and thats probably less than half of the 40 odd
that attended.
Enjoy
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for cowling |
I have the Canadian cowling for the Jabiru engine and was wanting to use Piano
hinge for the side. I put the two pieces together and cleoed the hinge in place
then glassed it in. After all four pieces dried I had a hell of a time to
get the two cowl to come together.
What did I do wrong. I'm thinking that I'm going to have cut the two hinges in
the top cowl out and re-applied glass to them once I have the cowl back in place.
Rick Stockton
A210 60-70%
Engine installed, cowling almost complete
wiring complete
Wind screen to go
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Well done Carl - great picture.
Steve Pitt
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin
Hi all,
Was I the only one taking piccies -
Wall to wall Europas and thats probably less than half of the 40 odd
that attended.
Enjoy
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| Subject: | Re: Popham International flyin |
Here are a few more pics. I took shots of most attendees, mainly rear 3/4 shots.
Email if you want a specific plane. Note Frans heavily modded cowl/cooling/ventilation
on Dutch reg Europa PH-DIY.
:P
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