---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/14/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:29 AM - Re: flaps (Peter Jeffers) 2. 01:32 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (G-IANI) 3. 01:32 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Frans Veldman) 4. 02:58 AM - Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! (Ratherfly) 5. 03:51 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 6. 04:43 AM - Re: Material for cockpit covering (craig bastin) 7. 06:15 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Steven Pitt) 8. 06:40 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 06:57 AM - Re: flaps (Bud Yerly) 10. 07:40 AM - Europa wanted (John Greenhalgh) 11. 09:26 AM - Re: Popham International flyin (Ray Fitton) 12. 12:51 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Carl Pattinson) 13. 01:02 PM - Piano hinge for cowling (AirEupora) 14. 01:44 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (Steven Pitt) 15. 10:57 PM - Re: Popham International flyin (John Wighton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:34 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: flaps Since both flaps are driven by the same motor (lever, if we are talking Monowheel)then the only way the movement range of the two flaps can differ is if when retracted one flap reaches its up stop (ie in the wing T/E) 4 degrees before the other. Due to the flexibility of the linking drive rod (sorry can't remember the part no) one flap can stop prior to the other but will end up fully retracted ie zero degrees, with the link rod slightly twisted. Trouble is when you extend, one flap will start moving significantly prior to the other. They both stop moving when the flap motor stops but one will have travelled further. If you find this to be the case then the problem is with the original flap rigging to the drive link rod. Possibly incorrect attachment of the link rod to the fuselage flap hinge arm. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 14 June 2010 03:29 Subject: Europa-List: flaps well i finally got my flaps assembled following the procedure in the book.... I find that there is about 4 degrees of difference in the deflection of the flaps. I am assuming that this is not normal and will cause weird flying characteristics but before I take everything to bits (for the umpteenth time) i wanted to consult the collective wisdom about this. Will ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:06 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Graham Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt Ian Rickard From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Popham 2010, Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to everything the club does. The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory for names has hiccuped again) Graham ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:13 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin It was great to see so many Europa's, and to meet the owners. (Of course, so many new faces and names, forgive me if at subsequent meetings I will still have some of the faces coupled to the wrong names, or worse, coupled to the wrong airplanes.) Thanks especially to the Europa club for its warm hospitality! We received a special reward for having the long distance travelled to Popham, English TEA has now a new meaning to us and also the mug is appreciated very much. The return home was uneventful, apart from that we got to deal with immigrations & customs at our stop at EHMZ. Interestingly the other Dutch folks were not subjected to their questions, as we were the only ones who managed to got our flight plan activated through the clearly overworked manning of London Information. (There were problems at Popham, and also Farnborough was unable to get the flight plans going, and London Information was almost too busy to get through). Weather was ok over the channel, although it was a bit cloudy here and there. We crossed at about 3500 feet but had to descend to 2500 feet in Belgium airspace because of the lower ceiling. Although most of the Dutch planes (two Europa's and some 4 of another kind) departed individually from Popham and via a different routing, everyone made a fuel & food stop at EHMZ (they have mogas and excellent food) so we had a small reunion and a subsequent lunch together before we all departed to our own destinations. (We decided to refuel as our fuel flow got somewhat higher since the cooling system finally works so well that we are now cruising with the needles on the other end of the scale, leaving the oil and water a bit too cold for economic operation). The last part of our journey was the hardest part because we were clearly tired. Obtaining better camping (sleeping) equipment is now high on our priority list. Thanks to all for a wonderful weekend! Frans ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: FS: Middle Tennessee Airstrip with home/hangar and more! From: "Ratherfly" http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301134#301134 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:27 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email then; I'm t oo far away to really know what goes on though=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: G-IANI =0ATo: euro pa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin=0A=0A =0AGraham=0A =0AYour short te rm memory loss is greatly regretted especially as=0Ait lead to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt=0A =0AIan Rickard=0A =0AFrom:owner -europa-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM=0ASINGLETON=0ASent: 13 June 2010 23:04=0ATo: e uropa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International f lyin=0A =0APopham 2010,=0AWorth every penny of the subs just to experience the results=0Athe generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave=0ABuzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enor mous boost to=0Aeverything the club does. =0AThe arrival of old and new Dut ch friends was a high point,=0Anice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wond erful ladies, (my short term memory=0Afor names has hiccuped again)=0A =0AG =================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:10 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering sorry my mistake kingsley maybe it was your gut i was thinking of...... only joking -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:09 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering Craig, It is obviously too long since you visited me. All my cushions as supplied by Oregon Aero weigh a total of 5 kg (11 lbs) The extra 10kg you speak of is probably about right for the amount that "I" am too heavy!! Cheers Kingsley Do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Material for cockpit covering one thing with the memory foam, it is quite heavy, kingsley in australia showed me his latex memory foam seat base cushions and they must have weighed about 15kg, unless you are refering to different foam ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:59 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Don't worry Graham - it was great to see you again and glad you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the Europa clan to come to future events. Kind regards to all and thank you to everyone for their kind comments. It was a pleasure to see everyone and to enjoy your company. Steve Pitt and son David. ----- Original Message ----- From: GRAHAM SINGLETON To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email then; I'm too far away to really know what goes on though Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: G-IANI To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Graham Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt Ian Rickard From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Popham 2010, Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to everything the club does. The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory for names has hiccuped again) Graham http://www.matronics.c================= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:39 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Thanks Steve, I always think its the least expensive way to meet a lot of f riends in one place. Pleasure shared is twice the pleasure.=0Adid you ever go to Rough River? long ride from Florida but the Canard RR meet is a must. Paul McAllister and I went a few times and that persuaded Paul to organise the Europa one. Be nice if it succeeds, its a good venue but you have to t ake your own beer; why are fundamentalist politicians such a nuisance?=0AGr aham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Steven Pitt =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 14:14:25=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin =0A=0A=EF=BB =0ADon't worry Graham - it was great to see you again =0Aa nd glad you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the =0AEuropa clan to come to future events.=0AKind regards to all and thank yo u to everyone for =0Atheir kind comments. It was a pleasure to see everyone and to enjoy your =0Acompany.=0ASteve Pitt and son David.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: GRAHAM SINGLETON =0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 =0A>AM=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham =0A> International flyin=0A>=0A>=0A>I did wonder about that afterwa rds, too late to unsay the email then; I'm =0A> too far away to really kno w what goes on though=0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_________________________ _______=0A From: G-IANI =0A>To: europa-list@matronics. com=0A>Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 =0A> 9:28:43=0A>Subject: RE: =0A> Euro pa-List: Popham International flyin=0A>=0A> > =0A>Graham=0A> =0A>Your =0A> short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead to you =0A> leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt=0A> =0A>Ian =0A> Ri ckard=0A> =0A>From:> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com =0A> [mailto: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM =0A> SINGLETON =0A>Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04=0A>To: > europa-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject : Re: Europa-List: Popham =0A> International flyin=0A> =0A>Popham 2010,=0A >Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the =0A> results the gen erosity of all the hard working committee achieve but =0A> especially Dave Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an =0A> enormous boost to everything the club does. =0A>The arrival of old and new Dutch friends w as a high point, =0A> nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful la dies, (my short term =0A> memory for names has hiccuped again)=0A> =0A>Gra ham=0A>http://www.matronics.c=============== ====0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Eur opa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://foru ms.matronics.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://w ======================= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:30 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: flaps Will, Attached is a method of rigging a Europa for hands off. I never have had to add an ugly trim tab to get one to fly straight. Some techniques provided may mean you need to order new flap brackets to get the rig right. Usually on a new build, I use Bondo and wood shims to set the flaps perfectly rigged with the incidence board provided in the manual. Put the wings on and check from behind. When it is perfect, then finish the hardware to make it right. I have some experience with making silk purses out of sow's ears, and I know yours will work out. Email if you have extraordinary difficulty. Hope this helps Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations US Europa Dealer Europa Tech assistance. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM Subject: Europa-List: flaps > well i finally got my flaps assembled following the procedure in the book.... I find that there is about 4 degrees of difference in the deflection of the flaps. I am assuming that this is not normal and will cause weird flying characteristics but before I take everything to bits (for the umpteenth time) i wanted to consult the collective wisdom about this. Will http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa wanted From: John Greenhalgh I have been interested for some time in the Europa aircraft and now I am in a possition to purchase. Would there be anyone thinking of selling a trigear? My contact details are: Home telephone 01942 815227, Mobile 0787 647 3929 and Alternative Land telephone 01490 412793, email john.greenhalgh1@sky.com Regards John ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:44 AM PST US From: "Ray Fitton" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Sadly I missed this meeting due to work commitments Is there any more Europa meeting in the Uk Cheers Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Don't worry Graham - it was great to see you again and glad you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully it will encourage others from the Europa clan to come to future events. Kind regards to all and thank you to everyone for their kind comments. It was a pleasure to see everyone and to enjoy your company. Steve Pitt and son David. ----- Original Message ----- From: GRAHAM SINGLETON To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin I did wonder about that afterwards, too late to unsay the email then; I'm too far away to really know what goes on though Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: G-IANI To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, 14 June, 2010 9:28:43 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Graham Your short term memory loss is greatly regretted especially as it lead to you leaving out the greatest contributor, Steve Pitt Ian Rickard From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: 13 June 2010 23:04 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Popham 2010, Worth every penny of the subs just to experience the results the generosity of all the hard working committee achieve but especially Dave Buzz and Ian and Irene.. Dave's enthusiasm gives an enormous boost to everything the club does. The arrival of old and new Dutch friends was a high point, nice to meet you Frans and Tim and your wonderful ladies, (my short term memory for names has hiccuped again) Graham http://www.matronics.c================= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:56 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Hi all, Was I the only one taking piccies - Wall to wall Europas and thats probably less than half of the 40 odd that attended. Enjoy ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Piano hinge for cowling From: "AirEupora" I have the Canadian cowling for the Jabiru engine and was wanting to use Piano hinge for the side. I put the two pieces together and cleoed the hinge in place then glassed it in. After all four pieces dried I had a hell of a time to get the two cowl to come together. What did I do wrong. I'm thinking that I'm going to have cut the two hinges in the top cowl out and re-applied glass to them once I have the cowl back in place. Rick Stockton A210 60-70% Engine installed, cowling almost complete wiring complete Wind screen to go Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301218#301218 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/engine_installed_006_747.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:44:34 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Well done Carl - great picture. Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Pattinson To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Popham International flyin Hi all, Was I the only one taking piccies - Wall to wall Europas and thats probably less than half of the 40 odd that attended. Enjoy ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Popham International flyin From: "John Wighton" Here are a few more pics. I took shots of most attendees, mainly rear 3/4 shots. Email if you want a specific plane. Note Frans heavily modded cowl/cooling/ventilation on Dutch reg Europa PH-DIY. :P Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301268#301268 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_153_864.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_152_208.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_165_643.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_160_863.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_163_954.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture_121_713.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.