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1. 09:05 AM - Fw: Latest Rough River Count (JEFF ROBERTS)
2. 09:37 AM - Thanks for attending the Wickenby wheels and Wings 2010 event. (Robert C Harrison)
3. 09:42 AM - Latest Rough River Count (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 09:56 AM - Re: Baggage bay strengthening for gear (Greg Fuchs)
5. 10:12 AM - Re: Baggage bay strengthening for gear (craig bastin)
6. 01:20 PM - DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. (Paddy Clarke)
7. 01:38 PM - Re: DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. (Steven Pitt)
8. 03:35 PM - Re: DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. (Trevpond@aol.com)
9. 03:36 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (david miller)
10. 04:31 PM - Re: Fw: Latest Rough River Count (Bud Yerly)
11. 05:16 PM - Re: Baggage bay strengthening for gear (Greg Fuchs)
12. 06:03 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (Karl Heindl)
13. 09:23 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (Luc Michaud)
14. 11:37 PM - New Tail Spring (John Price)
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| Subject: | Fwd: Latest Rough River Count |
> 8 Europas so far. Could be the biggest Rough River yet! Come on
> guys. Lets assume perfect weather and get some more out! Lets call
> or contact more people not on this list.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff & Mary Buhrans - Flying Baby Blue in.
>> Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
>> Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
>> Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
>> Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
>> John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
>> Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
>> Paul McAllister... Out of the country right now but we hope he'll
>> be showing us some much and improved cowl mods.
>> Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in.
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Thanks for attending the Wickenby wheels and Wings 2010 event. |
I would like to thank Richard Holden with his bird and Bob Hitchcock with
G-BYSA for supporting our event sorry we didn't meet up Bob) Obviously the
weather on Saturday was very detrimental but we had good gate sales. Gerald
Cooper UK Aerobatic Champ and seventh in the world rankings gave us a
stunning display and the Liverpool Modelers club flew a Victor and two
Lancasters the Victor sound was very appropriate but whilst the Lancasters
looked the part too the sound was somewhat lacking !
However when we had the "City of Sheffield Real Lanc doing about half a
dozen fly pasts doing almost a "wing over" there was no doubting it's
authenticity.
However where were the rest of you ? or daren't you venture North of
Watford!
Please put us down for next year.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Latest Rough River Count |
HI All,
Here is the most up dated list I have. Is there anyone out there that
knows how to reach any other Europa flyers. Can anyone tell me if DR.
Alex Bowman can be reached. It would be really cool to have his Honda
powered Europa there!! I know the west coast is a long was away but I
believe we have some more out there. How about you north east guys?
Rough River has everything right there. Restaurant / Lodge, Cabins,
Big Lake, Golf, Camping and it's all within walking distance of the
runway. Are any of you Florida people coming up?
Jeff R.
Do not archive
Jeff & Mary Buhrans - Flying Baby Blue in.
Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
Paul McAllister... Out of the country right now but we hope he'll be
showing us some much and improved cowl mods.
Jim & Heather Butcher - ??
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| Subject: | Baggage bay strengthening for gear |
Maybe I should rephrase my question. Instead of what the manual is saying,
what did people actually do with the uni? Is it really meant to be only on
the rear bulkhead only, with no overlapping onto the side bulkheads? If in
doubt, I am talking about the strengthening the baggage bay 'box' to be used
for the gear, and am really only looking for verification , of what others
have done, before doing the layup, so as not to mess it up. There might be
more than one way to do it. Any of my questions answered will help... So:
How many 'faces' of the 5 sided box have people put the 'uni' in when they
installed the gear? Hey, no question is a dumb question, if you're not quite
sure what the manual is saying, is it?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:22 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Baggage bay strengthening for gear
--> <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Hi all,
My question pertains to which surfaces are covered for strengthening, in the
baggage bay.
After searching the list, no answer was found. It makes me wonder what it
is, I am not seeing.
A) '2 plies of bid at +/-45 degrees over the entire area of the baggage bay
up to the level of the top of the central tunnel.'
This one seems self explanatory: 2 plies to 5 faces of the baggage bay:
front, rear, sides, and bottom.
B) (and my question #1)
'Next add 2 plies of 'uni', to the same height, onto the baggage bay rear
bulkhead from the sidewall to the central tunnel, with the fibres running
spanwise.'
#1 Does this mean uni is only on one face of the baggage bay (the rear
face), and no overlap on the two side faces or bottom face?
OR
Does this mean uni is placed on 3 faces of the baggage bay (rear and sides),
with no overlap to the bottom and front faces ?
OR
Something else??
#2 Is there any builder out there, that was able to massage the two plies
of BID over the whole of the baggage bay 'well', without any cutting or
folding?
I look forward to some help here,
Greg
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| Subject: | Baggage bay strengthening for gear |
greg
I read it as your option #1. and to answer your question about the bid in
one piece for the whole
job in the well, yes i managed it, but some of it was rather stretched and
other bits compressed,
but not folded, one little trick i worked out, if you have access to plastic
shopping bags,
I had about 200 used ones in the cupboard, i stuffed them into the well till
i couldnt fit any more then put
a lump of lead in there for good measure, after i did the layup, other than
the small lines in the resin
from the plastic bags, it came out looking like it was vaccum bagged.
another trick i have discovered
for those difficult bits where the glass wants to lift, if you cover the job
in plastic and then compress
a piece of sponge rubber onto/into the offending hole the job again comes
out like a vaccum bag job, excess
resin is forced out as well as the air, leaving a beautifull job.
or atleast that has been my experience
regards
craig
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| Subject: | DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. |
Hi Folks,
It seems the weather should last until the weekend, so how about a DOTH?
Unusually there is a voucher for Gloucestershire in Flyer and I suggest there at
1200ish, meeting in the cafe/pub just outside the terminal.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. |
Sorry Paddy but I am working at AeroExpo on Friday. Hope to see you over the
weekend.
Steve
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire.
>
> Hi Folks,
> It seems the weather should last until the weekend, so how about a DOTH?
> Unusually there is a voucher for Gloucestershire in Flyer and I suggest
> there at 1200ish, meeting in the cafe/pub just outside the terminal.
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri. 25th Gloucestershire. |
Hi Paddy,
Sounds like a super meeting, see you there.
At last, back flying again!
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
In a message dated 22/06/2010 21:20:55 GMT Daylight Time,
paddyclarke@lineone.net writes:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi Folks,
It seems the weather should last until the weekend, so how about a DOTH?
Unusually there is a voucher for Gloucestershire in Flyer and I suggest
there at 1200ish, meeting in the cafe/pub just outside the terminal.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
Hi Luc,
I have some data from the UK that satisfied transport with regard to
the firewall.
All the Canadian registered Europas have been approved with the
composite material, so it should not be a problem.
You will need to install a carb heat system, the antiquated
regulations call for a system that introduces hot air into the carbs,
however eventually I got an approval for the Skydrive system that
uses coolant to heat the carb body, so again transport should be
fine with this. I would recommend that you get a local Rotax dealer
to install the unit for you.
Dave C-FBZI
On 20-Jun-10, at 9:23 PM, Luc Michaud wrote:
> Hello to you all
>
> I'm well progressing on my way to importing an Europa "classic"
> from the USA.
>
> I have had a few chats with the ppl in charge of inspections of
> amateur-built aircrafts at Transport Canada (http://www.md-ra.com)
> about their requirement for the firewall be made of a "fireproof
> material", like stainless or galvanized steel.
>
> However, he also stated that I could use any other material that
> has been used on any other Canada-airworthy Europa !
>
> So, the question to all CANADIAN Europa owners: what is your Europa
> firewall made of ?
>
> Also, do all the Canadian Europas have carb heat on their Rotax
> engines ? If so, which origin ? My 912 currently does not have
> one...
>
> Regards,
>
> Luc
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Latest Rough River Count |
Jeff,
I'll fly in with 12AY.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS<mailto:jeff@rmmm.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Latest Rough River Count
8 Europas so far. Could be the biggest Rough River yet! Come on
guys. Lets assume perfect weather and get some more out! Lets call or
contact more people not on this list.
Jeff & Mary Buhrans - Flying Baby Blue in.
Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
Paul McAllister... Out of the country right now but we hope he'll
be showing us some much and improved cowl mods.
Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in.
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avigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | Baggage bay strengthening for gear |
Craig,
So uni is only on the rear 'face' of the gear well. Suprising it doesn't lap
onto the sides at all.
Since you were able to make it work, I think I will go the non-cut route
then, for the glass in the well.
I like your plastic bag solution. I saw it, while searching the site
extensively about my 'uni' question. I don't have as many plastic bags, so I
think I will replace most of the bags with old newspaper, leaving bags on
the edges. Should make for a neat job.
Thanks for the info.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:09 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Baggage bay strengthening for gear
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
greg
I read it as your option #1. and to answer your question about the bid in
one piece for the whole job in the well, yes i managed it, but some of it
was rather stretched and other bits compressed, but not folded, one little
trick i worked out, if you have access to plastic shopping bags, I had about
200 used ones in the cupboard, i stuffed them into the well till i couldnt
fit any more then put a lump of lead in there for good measure, after i did
the layup, other than the small lines in the resin from the plastic bags, it
came out looking like it was vaccum bagged.
another trick i have discovered
for those difficult bits where the glass wants to lift, if you cover the job
in plastic and then compress a piece of sponge rubber onto/into the
offending hole the job again comes out like a vaccum bag job, excess resin
is forced out as well as the air, leaving a beautifull job.
or atleast that has been my experience
regards
craig
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| Subject: | Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
As dave says=2C the firewall shouldn't be a problem. You don't need a carb
heater=2C but Transport Canada does. You also need an ELT and First Aid kit
. You can take a look at my Skydrive heater installation.
But can't you fly it on the American registration for a while=2C like a yea
r=2C it gives you time to make any mods.
Karl
From: rambug@gmail.com
Subject: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airw
orthiness requirement
Hello to you all
I'm well progressing on my way to importing an Europa "classic" from the US
A.
I have had a few chats with the ppl in charge of inspections of amateur-bui
lt aircrafts at Transport Canada (http://www.md-ra.com) about their require
ment for the firewall be made of a "fireproof material"=2C like stainless o
r galvanized steel.
However=2C he also stated that I could use any other material that has been
used on any other Canada-airworthy Europa !
So=2C the question to all CANADIAN Europa owners: what is your Europa firew
all made of ?
Also=2C do all the Canadian Europas have carb heat on their Rotax engines
? If so=2C which origin ? My 912 currently does not have one...
Regards=2C
Luc
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
Wow, I didnt expect a full year delay from import to Canadian
airworthiness...
At least, it does seems like the firewall wont be an issue.
As for the carb heat, looks like a minor job if using that Skydrive
technology.
What about the gascolator requirement ? Anyone been able to get away with
only fuel drains at the lowest point in the fuel system ?
Finally my wife asks about the cabin heat. I know that N202Y doesnt have
cabin heat; the guys down South say it's a warm cabin... Is that the case
? Would it be required if I wanted to fly in ~ 0C ground temperature ? Any
way to easily fit this in a Classic with R912UL ?
Regards,
Luc
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 21:02, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> As dave says, the firewall shouldn't be a problem. You don't need a carb
> heater, but Transport Canada does. You also need an ELT and First Aid kit.
> You can take a look at my Skydrive heater installation.
> But can't you fly it on the American registration for a while, like a year,
> it gives you time to make any mods.
>
> Karl
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: rambug@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:23:52 -0400
> Subject: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material"
> airworthiness requirement
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hello to you all
>
> I'm well progressing on my way to importing an Europa "classic" from the
> USA.
>
> I have had a few chats with the ppl in charge of inspections of
> amateur-built aircrafts at Transport Canada (http://www.md-ra.com) about
> their requirement for the firewall be made of a "fireproof material", like
> stainless or galvanized steel.
>
> However, he also stated that I could use any other material that has been
> used on any other Canada-airworthy Europa !
>
> So, the question to all CANADIAN Europa owners: what is your Europa
> firewall made of ?
>
> Also, do all the Canadian Europas have carb heat on their Rotax engines ?
> If so, which origin ? My 912 currently does not have one...
>
> Regards,
>
> Luc
>
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We have a slightly bent tail spring which we need to replace. Any clues on how
to get the old one out. The retaining bolt is easy, but as to removing the epoxy
at the base of the rudder ? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
John Price.
G-SHSH [Rolling Eyes]
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