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1. 12:34 AM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 06:30 AM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (david miller)
3. 08:55 AM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (Karl Heindl)
4. 09:21 AM - Gallery Album Missing (Troy Maynor)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Fw: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A (JEFF ROBERTS)
6. 11:05 AM - Re: Fw: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A (Jeff B)
7. 01:03 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (david miller)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (Frans Veldman)
9. 03:41 PM - Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness requirement (Bud Yerly)
10. 09:13 PM - Re: Fw: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
Hi Dave=0Amost contamination gets in when fuel is added. Rust from Jerry ca
ns is not uncommon, also algae from old fuel. You really need separate filt
ers so that if one blocks you have a get down safely reserve. 914s tend to
be more of a problem because of the high flow rate.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0AFrom: david miller <loboloda@execulink.c
om>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, 25 June, 2010 3:06:53
=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof materia
l" airworthiness requirement=0A=0AHi Graham,=0AI've never picked up any w
ater or crud in my Andair, however a friends filtered out some very strange
algae type substance.=0AHe realised he had a problem when he noticed the f
uel pressure dropping while in flight.=0A=0ADave =0A=0AOn 23-Jun-10, at 6:5
9 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:=0A=0ADave=0A>Imho the Skydrive carb heat is t
he only sensible way to go. Similarly an Andair or equivalent quality gasco
lator is also the only sensible way to go, really you need two gascolators,
which is expensive, but I would go with one and a Purolator one in the res
erve line. Then it is easy to check for water and muck before every day's f
lying. which (other people's) experience tells us is a vital action.=0A>Gra
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
Hi Graham,
It was a 914.
We have both tried using filter funnels while fueling, however the
process is painfully slow, so we are back
to using fuel straight from plastic jerry cans. We use Shell premium
which has been very clean, and in Ontario
there is no ethanol in it
Dave
On 25-Jun-10, at 3:29 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
> Hi Dave
> most contamination gets in when fuel is added. Rust from Jerry cans
> is not uncommon, also algae from old fuel. You really need separate
> filters so that if one blocks you have a get down safely reserve.
> 914s tend to be more of a problem because of the high flow rate.
> Graham
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| Subject: | Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
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Dave and Graham=2C
I am puzzled by all this fuss about fuel contamination. Why have I never he
ard about a car having this problem ?
I have never noticed anything more than a spec of dust in the Andair gascol
ator. I also buy most fuel from new gas stations where the turnover is high
=2C and pour it through a funnel with built-in sieve. And I keep a full tan
k through the winter months.
Karl
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material"
airworthiness requirement
Hi Graham=2C
It was a 914.
We have both tried using filter funnels while fueling=2C however the proces
s is painfully slow=2C so we are back
to using fuel straight from plastic jerry cans. We use Shell premium which
has been very clean=2C and in Ontario
there is no ethanol in it
Dave
On 25-Jun-10=2C at 3:29 AM=2C GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
Hi Dave
most contamination gets in when fuel is added. Rust from Jerry cans is not
uncommon=2C also algae from old fuel. You really need separate filters so t
hat if one blocks you have a get down safely reserve. 914s tend to be more
of a problem because of the high flow rate.
Graham
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| Subject: | Gallery Album Missing |
Hi All,
I was just on the gallery wanting to look at the pix of the Rough River Europa
Fly-in of 2007. It's not there. I don't know how long it's been since I looked
but it may have not made it during the forum transition. Do I need to re-upload
it or is it out there in the ether?
Troy Maynor
Europa Monowheel Classic -UK120
Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=302483#302483
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A |
Hi Greg,
Thanks for the kind words but it did remind me to tell everyone
something I may have left out. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLY IN TO ATTEND!!
There isn't a better way for a builder, or future owner to stay
motivated than to see other Europa's and talk to other Europa owners /
builders in person. So please anyone that is in the process of
building or thinking about Europa ownership you need to come to Rough
River state park in KY. on the 17th & 18th. If you let me know we'll
add you to the blow list of people driving in. You can catch
international flights in to Louisville (Or should I say Louiavulle or
louieville) and the drive in a rental is an hour or so over to the
park. If you drive in you may be ask to bring a few gas cans and a few
cases of beer so please let us know. Your services are needed.
Regards,
Jeff R.
On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Greg Fuchs wrote:
> Beautiful shots....makes me want to go build faster!
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in.
> Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
> Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
> Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
> Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
> John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
> Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
> Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl
> mods ready.
> Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in
> Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!
> Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob.
> John Wigney - Flying in!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Left Base going into Rough River year before last. This is the
>> weather we're going to have! I'm hammering on the wood as I type.
>>
>>
>> <Left Base @ RR.JPG>
>>
>>
>> Guys... Remember this loose formation.
>>
>> <3 in Formation.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A |
...and besides, we need somebody to ferry fuel cans and such... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
do not archive
On 6/25/2010 11:49 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Thanks for the kind words but it did remind me to tell everyone
> something I may have left out. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLY IN TO ATTEND!!
>
> There isn't a better way for a builder, or future owner to stay
> motivated than to see other Europa's and talk to other Europa owners /
> builders in person. So please anyone that is in the process of building
> or thinking about Europa ownership you need to come to Rough River state
> park in KY. on the 17th & 18th. If you let me know we'll add you to the
> blow list of people driving in. You can catch international flights in
> to Louisville (Or should I say Louiavulle or louieville) and the drive
> in a rental is an hour or so over to the park. If you drive in you may
> be ask to bring a few gas cans and a few cases of beer so please let us
> know. Your services are needed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Greg Fuchs wrote:
>
>> Beautiful shots....makes me want to go build faster!
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in.
>> Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
>> Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
>> Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
>> Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
>> John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
>> Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
>> Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl
>> mods ready.
>> Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in
>> Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!
>> Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob.
>> John Wigney - Flying in!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Left Base going into Rough River year before last. This is the
>>> weather we're going to have! I'm hammering on the wood as I type.
>>>
>>>
>>> <Left Base @ RR.JPG>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys... Remember this loose formation.
>>>
>>> <3 in Formation.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
requirement
Hi Karl,
I've never found anything in the Andair, or collected any water from
the fuel drains.
Chris got the Algae, now we both buy from busy stations.
He keeps his tank full, I don't, preferring to buy fresh fuel each
time I fly.
If the weather ever settles down would be nice to meet up halfway
sometime.
Dave
On 25-Jun-10, at 11:41 AM, Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> I have never noticed anything more than a spec of dust in the
> Andair gascolator. I also buy most fuel from new gas stations where
> the turnover is high, and pour it through a funnel with built-in
> sieve. And I keep a full tank through the winter months.
>
> Karl
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
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On 06/25/2010 10:15 PM, david miller wrote:
> He keeps his tank full, I don't, preferring to buy fresh fuel each time
> I fly.
It depends on where you live. In a dry climate you can do it this way,
in a wet climate like the Netherlands it is better to keep the tank
filled all the time:
Temperatures tend to vary a lot, with every change in temperature the
air in the tank expands or contracts, so the tank "breaths" a lot. With
every drop of temperature the tank sucks in some new air, and together
with the air you draw in a lot of moisture from the air. With repeated
temperature changes you get condensation on your tank walls, and if
there is ethanol in the fuel, you won't find any water in the drains
because the ethanol binds the water. Until it is saturated, and as the
saturation point is determined by altitude and temperature, it often
happens during flight that the water suddenly drops out.
Keeping the tank full at all times is a good guard against water
collection in the fuel.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof material" airworthiness |
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Karl, Dave and Graham,
I use a Mister Funnel and very clean Jerry Cans. Our local Florida
stations have ethanol now, and as an experiment am running it full time
without incident so far. Ethanol cleans the tank very well. After the
third tank of gas run through preflight I filled the filter. After 1
hour of flying time I noticed a slight fuel pressure drop and switched
to the reserve and pressure returned. Clogged filter. Haven't had a
problem since.
The fuel filters stay clean, but I have noticed all but my post pump R9
fuel lines (Goodyear) are smelling like a gas leak. Next oil change,
all the fuel lines are coming out. It seems that the inside of the
older fuel injection lines (Discount Auto Parts) are swelling a bit as
well. I have noticed the inside of the drain lines sloughing off a
whiteish material and am concerned. I flushed my lines with denatured
alcohol before installation but did not run a small cleaning cotton
through them. I have not seen water or growth in my tanks or my long
sitting fuel cans.
Bud
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To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof
material" airworthiness requirement
Dave and Graham,
I am puzzled by all this fuss about fuel contamination. Why have I
never heard about a car having this problem ?
I have never noticed anything more than a spec of dust in the Andair
gascolator. I also buy most fuel from new gas stations where the
turnover is high, and pour it through a funnel with built-in sieve. And
I keep a full tank through the winter months.
Karl
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Firewall material vs Canada "fireproof
material" airworthiness requirement
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:42:22 -0400
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Hi Graham,
It was a 914.
We have both tried using filter funnels while fueling, however the
process is painfully slow, so we are back
to using fuel straight from plastic jerry cans. We use Shell premium
which has been very clean, and in Ontario
there is no ethanol in it
Dave
On 25-Jun-10, at 3:29 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
Hi Dave
most contamination gets in when fuel is added. Rust from Jerry cans
is not uncommon, also algae from old fuel. You really need separate
filters so that if one blocks you have a get down safely reserve. 914s
tend to be more of a problem because of the high flow rate.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Rough River up-date #4 Revised A |
Jeff/All,
I'll be flying commercial into Louisville, arriving 4 pm on Friday,
Sept. 17th, and will be driving down to RR directly. Happy to bring
others w/ me if timing works. Regarding bringing in gas, if extra gas
is desirable for those flying in and I were to pick up a 5 gal can
(perhaps more than one?), is there a Europa driver who needs a spare
and would take it off my hands?...I wouldn't think it would qualify as
a carry-on when I depart on the airline. Also, please advise
preferred grade of "petrol"
BTW Jeff...I'll be coming from Orcas Island, WA...not California.
Looking forward to great weather, lottsa purdy birds, and sum great
flyin tales,
Fred
On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:49 AM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> Hi Greg,
> Thanks for the kind words but it did remind me to tell everyone
> something I may have left out. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FLY IN TO ATTEND!!
>
> There isn't a better way for a builder, or future owner to stay
> motivated than to see other Europa's and talk to other Europa
> owners / builders in person. So please anyone that is in the process
> of building or thinking about Europa ownership you need to come to
> Rough River state park in KY. on the 17th & 18th. If you let me know
> we'll add you to the blow list of people driving in. You can catch
> international flights in to Louisville (Or should I say Louiavulle
> or louieville) and the drive in a rental is an hour or so over to
> the park. If you drive in you may be ask to bring a few gas cans and
> a few cases of beer so please let us know. Your services are needed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Greg Fuchs wrote:
>
>> Beautiful shots....makes me want to go build faster!
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in.
>> Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
>> Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
>> Jim & Lynne Puglise - Flying or Driving the motor home.
>> Fred Kline.... All the way from California.
>> John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
>> Bob Borger N914XL - Flying In from Texas
>> Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl
>> mods ready.
>> Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in
>> Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!
>> Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob.
>> John Wigney - Flying in!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Left Base going into Rough River year before last. This is the
>>> weather we're going to have! I'm hammering on the wood as I type.
>>>
>>>
>>> <Left Base @ RR.JPG>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys... Remember this loose formation.
>>>
>>> <3 in Formation.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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