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1. 12:24 AM - Re: 6 Nations (A B Milne)
2. 12:36 AM - Re: ELSA max speed solution. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
3. 12:49 AM - Re: ELSA max speed solution. (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 01:12 AM - Re: 6 Nations (David Joyce)
5. 03:55 AM - Re: desperately looking for CAP NSI140 operation manual (Pete Lawless)
6. 04:39 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFJlOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogRUxTQSBtYXggc3BlZWQgc29sdXRpb24u? (=?utf-8?B?bWF1MTE=?=)
7. 06:46 AM - Oshkosh (Steve Pitt)
8. 03:08 PM - Travel Tool Kit (Troy Maynor)
9. 03:23 PM - Re: Inquiry into getting some Flight time in a Europa Monowheel (Troy Maynor)
10. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: Re: ELSA max speed solution. (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
11. 07:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 07:37 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Robert Borger)
13. 07:47 PM - Re: Jab 3300 FWF kit for sale (Cleve Lee)
14. 08:34 PM - Europa XS For Sale (Richard Sementilli)
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Dear David,
Please count me in for 6N I would prefer more South than North from the
weather viewpoint but will go with the majority.
I am looking forward to hearing of the success of your 'named island' and
the Duke's battlefield tours.
Yours,
Alasdair
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:45 AM
Subject: Europa-List: 6 Nations
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Just a reminder to European Europa pilots:
> The 2010 6 Nations Tour is scheduled for September 11-18th,
> finishing at the Texel Rally. I had contemplated making it a S. Europe
> tour, but having just got back from having my brains cooked in a big way
> in a heat wave in Spain,(visiting all of Wellington's Battle Sites for the
> Dawn to Dusk Challenge!) I am inclined to make this a N. Europe 6Ns.
> Anyone interested please get in touch soonest.Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA max speed solution. |
<<flap fiddling to get the stall below 45 KTS>>
Has anyone tried that? What, for example, does 30 degrees or 35 degrees
of flap confer in terms of any stall speed reduction? (Non-monowheel a/c
only)
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Borger
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELSA max speed solution.
Bud,
If you can get the stall speed down to the required 45 KTS, there is
another solution to the max speed issue. You can "derate" the engine.
State in your operating limitations that you are limited to 5800 RPM
(or whatever max RPM is for the 912 or 912S) to, say, 5 or 10 minutes
for takeoff and climb. After that, the operator is limited to a max of
5500 RPM or whatever is necessary to hold the speed down to 120 KTS max.
This provides full power for takeoff and initial climb and provides
your 120 KT cruise at 3 GPH. No need to resort to adding extra special
drag to mess up the Europa's wonderful efficiency.
So you build a tri-gear (or conventional gear) with Rotax 912 or 912S
and a Warp Drive ground adjustable prop. Build it as light as possible
for best useful load. License it for 1320 lbs max gross. Use your VGs
and flap fiddling to get the stall below 45 KTS and derate the engine
for whatever power provides you with 120 KT cruise.
Just like that you have an Amateur Built Experimental that meets LSA
requirements.
Just my two bits. Fire away!
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
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On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:49, Bud Yerly wrote:
To all.
N12AY is a Classic Trigear placarded GW 1320, has completed most of
it's test flights. After 4 months of testing, I will have a complete
write up soon. Note, if your Europa has been registered above 1320 lbs,
it does not qualify for an E- LSA ever. For those of you who have 1300
lb registrations on your flying Europa Classic, convert it to a fixed
trigear if needed, add a fixed pitch prop, and if you started with a
reasonable empty weight, add some vortex generators and do some tweaking
and it will allow the plane to meet the criteria of 45 Kt stall, and 120
Kts at max continuous power. (Dirty up your wheel pants to keep the
speed down if necessary). The XS wing is nearly 50 lbs heavier,
slightly larger, and should also be able to meet the stall speed.
Problem is the empty weight is a bit high on the XS unless you are a
weight zealot. If you are a weight zealot, the XS should be eligible
provided you have not already registered it's gross weight as over 1320.
Darn those rules.
By adding vortex generators (and I prefer adjusting the flap rig
slightly down), the aircraft at 1320 lbs stalls at 45 Kts. The handling
of the plane with the VGs is superb at low speed. 18 degrees deck
angle, flaps up at 50 Kts indicated (Actual corrected speed is 47Kts.)
Burble starts at 50, the nose starts wandering about 47, the heavy
buffet begins at 45, break shortly afterwards. VGs run from the tip to
24 inches short of the wing root, and 7% chord seems to work well. Max
continuous power setting speed runs with my old 914 power, wing speed
kit and wheel pants only drops my top end 2-3 knots, as the Warp Drive
prop is set at 29.5 degrees for 5200 static on full 38 inches power on
the ground runs. You can imagine the rpm really drops when pulling it
out of turbo. A 912 with 2.2 gearbox or 912S should be perfect for the
LSA.
The XS style pitot static is a problem, and I had to install cockpit
static to get accurate readings. I've spent a lot of time flying speed
runs, experimenting with pitot tubes etc., trying to calibrate my speed
indications at these low speeds. The XS pitot is quite good down to
about 65 Kts indicated (indicating 3 knots high) and is dead on above 80
(I am using a Winter A/S indicator and a Blue Mountain for indications).
Speed runs are done with GPS and timed runs.
I am now tweaking the flaps a tiny bit as it makes 45 knots quite
controllable. Actually with a little tweak of the trailing edge, the
plane would only need flaps for drag.
More to follow. Weather and workload are slowing me down.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA max speed solution. |
Ivan tried 30deg a long time ago, dropped the idea because there was no ail
eron =0Acontrol at the angle of attack at very low speeds. Tips were stalle
d=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Duncan &
Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.c
om=0ASent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010 8:35:12=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: ELS
A max speed solution.=0A=0A =0A<<flap fiddling to get the stall below 45
KTS>>=0A =0AHas anyone tried that? What, for example, does 30 degrees or 3
5 degrees of flap =0Aconfer in terms of any stall speed reduction? (Non-mo
nowheel a/c only)=0A =0ADuncan Mcf.
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Alasdair, Great. That makes the Tour de France trio + Bob Hitchcock/Bryan
Alsop, who would like to join on Tuesday. I completed the Wellington's
Battle Sites 2/52 ago and nearly died in the heatwave in central Spain -
airbox temperature 37.4 at 2500ft. PVC tape peeled off as did part of the
wing walk material, and I got to the point of wondering whether the plane or
the pilot was going to be the first to succumb to heat stress! I will
forward my email to Bryan so you will be 'au courant' with my thinking, but
am open to persuasion, as long as it isn't Spain in a heatwave! Regards,
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "A B Milne" <milneab@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 6 Nations
>
> Dear David,
>
> Please count me in for 6N I would prefer more South than North from the
> weather viewpoint but will go with the majority.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing of the success of your 'named island' and
> the Duke's battlefield tours.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alasdair
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:45 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: 6 Nations
>
>
>> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Just a reminder to European Europa pilots:
>> The 2010 6 Nations Tour is scheduled for September 11-18th,
>> finishing at the Texel Rally. I had contemplated making it a S. Europe
>> tour, but having just got back from having my brains cooked in a big way
>> in a heat wave in Spain,(visiting all of Wellington's Battle Sites for
>> the Dawn to Dusk Challenge!) I am inclined to make this a N. Europe 6Ns.
>> Anyone interested please get in touch soonest.Regards, David Joyce,
>> G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | desperately looking for CAP NSI140 operation manual |
Marcel I will scan the manual pages and email off forum Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcel
Sent: 20 July 2010 21:07
Subject: Europa-List: desperately looking for CAP NSI140 operation manual
Owning now a Europa XS TG with Rotax 914UL engine and the CAP140 NSI prop I
am having troubles to operate the variable pitch prop. The previous owner
didn't know anything of this prop control.
I have a big switch you can toggle up and down to vary the prop pitch and so
the RPM ,this works fine, but there are several push buttons, called CAL,
UP, DOWN, RESET and ENTER switches. I can input figures from +90 down to -30
and then the digital display says something like BETA < 7.5.
I'm trying to fly the aircraft but my engine is getting very hot and over
RPM is possible, so the adjustment of the prop limit pitch is beyond limits
I guess.
Tried to find expertise around but not successfull.
Is there anybody out there to help me understand how to operate this CAP
NSI140 pitch controller and how to alter or set the correct pitch for a
rotax914
Thank you very much for your help!!!
Marcel Flick
m.flick@quicknet.nl or +31652677115
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Just setting off for Oshkosh. Where do Europa members meet? 11.00am each
morning as usual?
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Hi Fellow Europaphiles,
Has anyone come up with a list of must have tools, (and parts for that
matter) to always have in the plane in case of trouble far from home? I
know you need tools to get the cowling off and stuff like that. What I'm
saying I guess is I don't need the entire set of hex socket wrenches, or
the entire set of combination wrenches, I just want to pick out the
specific sizes needed for a small kit that would be appropriate for
someone with a monowheel with a Rotax 912. I could probably come up with
a list but I'd appreciate any input for things that have gotten someone
out of a jam in the past.
I understand that some carry a spare tube for the monowheel tire. Where
is the best place to get one, ACS? What about a wooden jacking block to
fit a common floor jack to the LG frame? I don't won't to get carried
away with a bunch of stuff that will overload me but just fishing for
ideas really. Thanks in advance to all.
Troy Maynor
Monowheel Classic 120
37 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Inquiry into getting some Flight time in a Europa Monowheel |
Hi Jeff P.
I tried to reply to this post yesterday on a computer at work but hit a snag somehow
with the forum. So here is the belated verses:
Hi Jeff P.
I am still trying to get the hang of it myself it seems at times. I only have 37
hours only in my Classic Monowheel so I am no expert. However, I would advise
getting 6-10 hours in a tail dragger just prior to first flight, followed by
some right seat time in a Monowheel if possible. If not, just think about looking
far down the runway, getting approach speeds exactly as the book says. Do
it early when it is calm and no crosswind. Get a picture of the correct deck
angle in you perifereal(sp) vision but look way down the runway. When the tailwheel
touches first the stick should by now be all the way back. Add or keep a
little power on to arrest a too fast settling or a bounce if it occurs. Don't
try to salvage a crappy landing set up. Go around and try again. Less shame in
that than bouncing all over the runway. Use turf if at all possible when starting
out. Expect the bird to leap off the ground and be ready with right rudder
when you gently throttle up. More importantly,(for me anyway) was to expect
it to want to climb very steeply when it leaves the ground. I actually have to
put in a little nose down trim before take off and my weight and balance if
right on. Hope this helps. Email me off list if you have any questions.
Troy Maynor
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Europa-List: ELSA max speed solution. |
Hi Michel=0AChristoph once told me he was trying to avoid making any of Iva
n's "mistakes". I =0Asuspect he found one or two of his own though! =0A=0A
=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mau11 <mau11@fre
e.fr>=0ATo: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Wednesday, 21 J
uly, 2010 12:39:15=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Re: Europa-List: ELSA max sp
eed solution.=0A=0A=C3=AF=C2=BB=C2 =0AHi Graham,=0AI agree totally, fo
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tall.=0A =0AIt is the same thing on many others aircrafts.=0AMichel=0A =0A
=0A21-07-2010 =0A________________________________=0A =0Amau11 =0A________
________________________=0A =0ADe =C3=AF=C2=BC=C5=A1 GRAHAM SINGLETON =0ADa
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List: ELSA max speed solution. =0AIvan tried 30deg a long time ago, dropp
ed the idea because there was no aileron =0Acontrol at the angle of attack
at very low speeds. Tips were stalled=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________
____________________=0A From: Duncan & Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freese
rve.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, 21 July, 2010
8:35:12=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: ELSA max speed solution.=0A=0A =0A<
<flap fiddling to get the stall below 45 KTS>>=0A =0AHas anyone tried that
? What, for example, does 30 degrees or 35 degrees of flap =0Aconfer in te
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I'm enroute to the big show, and also interested in knowing the location :-)
Cheers,
Pete
A239 - still a dream of the getting the pile parts into formation and
looking for some motivation :-)
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Steve Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>wrote:
> Just setting off for Oshkosh. Where do Europa members meet? 11.00am each
> morning as usual?
> Regards
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
>
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Gents,
Usually, the meeting is at the Homebuilders Headquarters.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
Europa Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jul 21, 2010, at 21:29, Peter Zutrauen wrote:
> I'm enroute to the big show, and also interested in knowing the location :-)
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> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239 - still a dream of the getting the pile parts into formation and looking
for some motivation :-)
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> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Steve Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Just setting off for Oshkosh. Where do Europa members meet? 11.00am each morning
as usual?
> Regards
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: Jab 3300 FWF kit for sale |
Hi All,
Yes, I've put up the Jabiru for sale after running some numbers and
talking with a few Alphabet departments at the FAA. Since I've been
building for 10 years as I've moved between counties I've missed the
'grandfathering' phase of allowing me to recertify the aircraft as an
ELSA, which is no longer a valid category since January of this year.
This means the aircraft has to be completed as an Experimental Amateur
Built. No problem as it actually gives a wider audience in the future
should I want to sell the plane.
However, if I want to to fly the plane with a Sport Pilot License (and
let my medical go) then the plane must perform to LSA specs. One can
fly an Experimental or Standard category aircraft with a Sport License
if the aircraft performs and was permitted/licensed that way originally.
Hence my desire to to dumb down the Europa by 10+ knots on the cruise,
and put it on a 50 lb diet to meet the GW and ensure adequate stall
speed performance. In the XS case I'll also need to put in a fixed gear
and I'm leaning towards a composite conventional gear.
Translated, this means I need sell my heavier J3300 and look at the
912UL. Asking price on the still in the box Jabiru is 15K complete
w/prop FWF.
Cheers,
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS
Airframe complete w/widening mod. Currently running wires.
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| Subject: | Europa XS For Sale |
> 2006 EUROPA XS FOR SALE: Converted Monowheel to Conventional gear (axles c
an convert to tundra tires if desired), speed kit. Rotax 912S with auxiliary
alternator (40 amps), Airmaster Constant Speed prop, Dynon D10A, Grand Rapi
ds EIS, electric airspeed/altimeter gauges, Garmin 396, TruTrak 2 axis autop
ilot, Becker Radio & Trans, Monroy Traffic Watch PS eng intercom, auxiliary f
uel tank, Custom Covered Trailer with Wing Walkers, many extras, built with t
he guidance and expertise of Alan "Bud" Yerly of Custom Flight Creations. To
tal time on engine, prop and airframe is 75 hours. It just had it's annual d
one plus 90 hours of maintenance and updates done by Bud these past two mont
hs.
> Asking $76,900 - negotiable and I am motivated to sell. (Total invested $1
10K+ with trailer and all).
> Please contact Richard Sementilli at rsementi@gmail.com My cell is 917-385
-8726. If you want to see and fly it in person, it is currently at Curtiss A
ero, DXR airport in Danbury Connecticut
>
Thanks!
RS
On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:47 PM, "Cleve Lee" <clevelee@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Yes, I've put up the Jabiru for sale after running some numbers and talkin
g with a few Alphabet departments at the FAA. Since I've been building for 1
0 years as I've moved between counties I've missed the 'grandfathering' phas
e of allowing me to recertify the aircraft as an ELSA, which is no longer a v
alid category since January of this year. This means the aircraft has to be
completed as an Experimental Amateur Built. No problem as it actually give
s a wider audience in the future should I want to sell the plane.
>
> However, if I want to to fly the plane with a Sport Pilot License (and let
my medical go) then the plane must perform to LSA specs. One can fly an Ex
perimental or Standard category aircraft with a Sport License if the aircraf
t performs and was permitted/licensed that way originally. Hence my desire t
o to dumb down the Europa by 10+ knots on the cruise, and put it on a 50 lb d
iet to meet the GW and ensure adequate stall speed performance. In the XS ca
se I'll also need to put in a fixed gear and I'm leaning towards a composite
conventional gear.
>
> Translated, this means I need sell my heavier J3300 and look at the 912UL.
Asking price on the still in the box Jabiru is 15K complete w/prop FWF.
>
> Cheers,
> Cleve Lee
> A198 Mono XS
> Airframe complete w/widening mod. Currently running wires.
>
>
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