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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR3000 (PHILLIPS I)
2. 12:53 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR3000 (Jos Okhuijsen)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rampil)
4. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Bud Yerly)
5. 09:35 AM - Coolant temperature sensor (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Terry Seaver (terrys))
7. 10:09 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rparigoris)
8. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Terry Seaver (terrys))
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Fred Klein)
10. 11:34 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rparigoris)
11. 12:34 PM - Re: Coolant temperature sensor (Brian Davies)
12. 12:58 PM - Ignition Module. (Mike Parkin)
13. 01:32 PM - Re: Ignition Module. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
14. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp SR3000 |
I have set mine to 20.0 and 19.5 respectively with coarse being 28.0,
If you set the fine pitch to give you 5200 rpm static that should put you in
the ball park,
Graham Smith of Sprite aviation can give you any technical help on
Sprite Aviation Services Ltd
Inglenook Farm, Roman Rd,
Maydensole, Nr Dover
Kent, CT15 5HP
Tel: 01304 827266
Mob: 07973 254615
graham@spriteaviation.co.uk
Regards
ivor
On 25 July 2010 23:01, Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone have the scimitar blade version of the SR3000.
>
> We have just assembled ours back from the factory and the microswitch cams
> appear to be set incorrectly - we were told by Woodcomp that they had been
> set by the factory and all that would be needed was to reassemble the prop.
>
> The adjustment instruction sheet says the fine pitch should cut out at 18
> degrees (safety backup cut out at 17 degrees). Ours is tripping at 12.5
> degrees so significantly less than the reccomended figure. I am wondering if
> the angle settings are different for the scimitar blades as opposed to the
> normal straight ones.
>
> The coarse pitch switch trips at 27 degrees.
>
> Does anyone have experience of setting up one of these props?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp SR3000 |
Hi Carl,
There were scimitar blades on mine.
The prop had been repaired at the factory, and arrived assembled.
I never checked the fine pitch again, which nearly cost me my life,
because it must have been too fine to stay airborne.
So once more, please be very careful and never fly in rain with one of
those, because that too fine pitch, combined with a short circuiting
microswitch will bite you.
Apart of mine, in the small circle i am aware of, i know of 2 cases of
shorting microswitches, one loose gearwheel on the motor (rendering the
blades to roam on their own.) and now pitch inaccuracy confirmed.
Wish you luck, you will need it!
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> kirjoitti Mon, 26 Jul 2010
01:01:12 +0300:
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone have the scimitar blade version of the SR3000.
>
> We have just assembled ours back from the factory and the microswitch
> cams appear to be set incorrectly - we were told by Woodcomp that they
> had been set by the factory and all that would be needed was to
> reassemble the prop.
>
> The adjustment instruction sheet says the fine pitch should cut out at
> 18 degrees (safety backup cut out at 17 degrees). Ours is tripping at
> 12.5 degrees so significantly less than the reccomended figure. I am
> wondering if the angle settings are different for the scimitar blades as
> opposed to the normal straight ones.
>
> The coarse pitch switch trips at 27 degrees.
>
> Does anyone have experience of setting up one of these props?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of:
A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement
can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows:
No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120)
No LSA Weight Limit (1450#)
No Stall speed Limit
Full Night privileges (with lights)
Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped)
NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND
NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification
Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions of
LSA?
Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner)
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Ira,
Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on Homers
419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in sideways on a
trolley.
Bud
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From: rampil<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
<ira.rampil@gmail.com<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>>
Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of:
A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement
can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows:
No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120)
No LSA Weight Limit (1450#)
No Stall speed Limit
Full Night privileges (with lights)
Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped)
NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND
NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification
Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions
of
LSA?
Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner)
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| Subject: | Coolant temperature sensor |
Good day,
Perhaps I need a logic translator to prescribe the directions I read
from the following: (legal ramifications are NOT involved here)
In the Rotax 914 series Installation Manual sits a table on page
48/01JUL'08, above which the following text is set:
"Depending on the achieved maximum values of the cylinder head temperature
and the coolant temperature following action are necessary."
The table then exhibits 'maximum values for Coolant temperature and cylinder
head temperature', under which for certain values the corrective action is
"Additional instruments for displaying coolant temperature is necessary...."
Am I wrong or do I need to install a coolant temperature sensor to
see if I need to install a coolant temperature sensor?
I'm sorry to disturb otherwise normal activity to address this logic twist,
but I would appreciate any response applicable......
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Hi Bud, Ira,
We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My
partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that
allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next
to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by
only one person.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 Mono XS, long and short wings.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
Ira,
Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on Homers
419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in sideways on a
trolley.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: rampil <mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
<ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of:
A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement
can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as
follows:
No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120)
No LSA Weight Limit (1450#)
No Stall speed Limit
Full Night privileges (with lights)
Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped)
NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND
NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification
Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the
restrictions of
LSA?
Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner)
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Hi Terry
"We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My partner on the
plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that allow us to remove
the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next to the plane. It takes 7
minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by only one person."
You by chance have any pics of dollies and plane nested in hangar?
thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Hi Ron,
I don't have anything I could send you right now, but it there is
interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a description a
little later.
Regards,
Terry
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hi Terry
"We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My
partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that
allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next
to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by
only one person."
You by chance have any pics of dollies and plane nested in hangar?
thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:
> >
>
> I don't have anything I could send you right now, but it there is
> interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a
> description a
> little later.
They would be much appreciated Terry, particularly if your set up
facilitates a switch between motorglider and regular...BTW, now that
you have wings long and short, and shared ownership to boot, how do
you find the process of "wing switching" to have evolved?...i.e.,
- Logged hours...%'age as MG, and %'age w/ shorties (?)
- Are "switches" between longs and shorts made seasonally, or
whimsically?
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Hi Terry
"If there is interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a description
a little later"
That would be appreciated!
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Coolant temperature sensor |
EER! Yes!
Actually, having recently carried out this exercise, the difference between
the two temps is so small that it is not worth fitting a coolant temp sensor
(IMHO).
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: 26 July 2010 17:28
Subject: Europa-List: Coolant temperature sensor
Good day,
Perhaps I need a logic translator to prescribe the directions I read
from the following: (legal ramifications are NOT involved here)
In the Rotax 914 series Installation Manual sits a table on page
48/01JUL'08, above which the following text is set:
"Depending on the achieved maximum values of the cylinder head temperature
and the coolant temperature following action are necessary."
The table then exhibits 'maximum values for Coolant temperature and cylinder
head temperature', under which for certain values the corrective action is
"Additional instruments for displaying coolant temperature is necessary...."
Am I wrong or do I need to install a coolant temperature sensor to
see if I need to install a coolant temperature sensor?
I'm sorry to disturb otherwise normal activity to address this logic twist,
but I would appreciate any response applicable......
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Ignition Module. |
I noted in passing that a 914 ignition module costs almost =A3700 (seven
hundred) pounds stirling........ Is this correct, is it available
cheaper
anywhere else or have I just warped into parallel time zone.
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Module. |
Cheaper secondhand.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Parkin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Ignition Module.
I noted in passing that a 914 ignition module costs almost =A3700
(seven hundred) pounds stirling........ Is this correct, is it
available cheaper anywhere else or have I just warped into parallel time
zone.
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: ELSA saga continues |
Terry,
For rigging and de-rigging I have a set of Wing Walkers I can't live
without. I have 30 stitches and a torn shoulder from man-handling
glider wings. Now I let the equipment do the work in less than 20
minutes and save my body for other things.
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Seaver (terrys)<mailto:terrys@cisco.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
Hi Bud, Ira,
We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My
partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that
allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next
to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by
only one person.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
A135 Mono XS, long and short wings.
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:28 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
Ira,
Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on
Homers 419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in
sideways on a trolley.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: rampil<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues
<ira.rampil@gmail.com<mailto:ira.rampil@gmail.com>>
Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of:
A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement
can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows:
No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120)
No LSA Weight Limit (1450#)
No Stall speed Limit
Full Night privileges (with lights)
Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped)
NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND
NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification
Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the
restrictions of
LSA?
Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner)
--------
Ira N224XS
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