---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/26/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR3000 (PHILLIPS I) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR3000 (Jos Okhuijsen) 3. 06:15 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rampil) 4. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Bud Yerly) 5. 09:35 AM - Coolant temperature sensor (Fergus Kyle) 6. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rparigoris) 8. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 9. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Fred Klein) 10. 11:34 AM - Re: ELSA saga continues (rparigoris) 11. 12:34 PM - Re: Coolant temperature sensor (Brian Davies) 12. 12:58 PM - Ignition Module. (Mike Parkin) 13. 01:32 PM - Re: Ignition Module. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 14. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: ELSA saga continues (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR3000 From: PHILLIPS I I have set mine to 20.0 and 19.5 respectively with coarse being 28.0, If you set the fine pitch to give you 5200 rpm static that should put you in the ball park, Graham Smith of Sprite aviation can give you any technical help on Sprite Aviation Services Ltd Inglenook Farm, Roman Rd, Maydensole, Nr Dover Kent, CT15 5HP Tel: 01304 827266 Mob: 07973 254615 graham@spriteaviation.co.uk Regards ivor On 25 July 2010 23:01, Carl Pattinson wrote: > carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> > > Hi, > > Anyone have the scimitar blade version of the SR3000. > > We have just assembled ours back from the factory and the microswitch cams > appear to be set incorrectly - we were told by Woodcomp that they had been > set by the factory and all that would be needed was to reassemble the prop. > > The adjustment instruction sheet says the fine pitch should cut out at 18 > degrees (safety backup cut out at 17 degrees). Ours is tripping at 12.5 > degrees so significantly less than the reccomended figure. I am wondering if > the angle settings are different for the scimitar blades as opposed to the > normal straight ones. > > The coarse pitch switch trips at 27 degrees. > > Does anyone have experience of setting up one of these props? > > Thanks in advance. > > Carl Pattinson > G-LABS > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR3000 From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Hi Carl, There were scimitar blades on mine. The prop had been repaired at the factory, and arrived assembled. I never checked the fine pitch again, which nearly cost me my life, because it must have been too fine to stay airborne. So once more, please be very careful and never fly in rain with one of those, because that too fine pitch, combined with a short circuiting microswitch will bite you. Apart of mine, in the small circle i am aware of, i know of 2 cases of shorting microswitches, one loose gearwheel on the motor (rendering the blades to roam on their own.) and now pitch inaccuracy confirmed. Wish you luck, you will need it! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Carl Pattinson kirjoitti Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:01:12 +0300: > > > Hi, > > Anyone have the scimitar blade version of the SR3000. > > We have just assembled ours back from the factory and the microswitch > cams appear to be set incorrectly - we were told by Woodcomp that they > had been set by the factory and all that would be needed was to > reassemble the prop. > > The adjustment instruction sheet says the fine pitch should cut out at > 18 degrees (safety backup cut out at 17 degrees). Ours is tripping at > 12.5 degrees so significantly less than the reccomended figure. I am > wondering if the angle settings are different for the scimitar blades as > opposed to the normal straight ones. > > The coarse pitch switch trips at 27 degrees. > > Does anyone have experience of setting up one of these props? > > Thanks in advance. > > Carl Pattinson > G-LABS > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues From: "rampil" Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of: A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows: No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120) No LSA Weight Limit (1450#) No Stall speed Limit Full Night privileges (with lights) Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped) NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions of LSA? Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306304#306304 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:36 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Ira, Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on Homers 419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in sideways on a trolley. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues > Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of: A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows: No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120) No LSA Weight Limit (1450#) No Stall speed Limit Full Night privileges (with lights) Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped) NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions of LSA? Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306304#306304 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:14 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Coolant temperature sensor Good day, Perhaps I need a logic translator to prescribe the directions I read from the following: (legal ramifications are NOT involved here) In the Rotax 914 series Installation Manual sits a table on page 48/01JUL'08, above which the following text is set: "Depending on the achieved maximum values of the cylinder head temperature and the coolant temperature following action are necessary." The table then exhibits 'maximum values for Coolant temperature and cylinder head temperature', under which for certain values the corrective action is "Additional instruments for displaying coolant temperature is necessary...." Am I wrong or do I need to install a coolant temperature sensor to see if I need to install a coolant temperature sensor? I'm sorry to disturb otherwise normal activity to address this logic twist, but I would appreciate any response applicable...... Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:13 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Bud, Ira, We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by only one person. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 Mono XS, long and short wings. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Ira, Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on Homers 419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in sideways on a trolley. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of: A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows: No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120) No LSA Weight Limit (1450#) No Stall speed Limit Full Night privileges (with lights) Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped) NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions of LSA? Ira (former FAA Designated Aviation Medical Examiner) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306304#306304 http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =============== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:09 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues From: "rparigoris" Hi Terry "We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by only one person." You by chance have any pics of dollies and plane nested in hangar? thx. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306339#306339 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Ron, I don't have anything I could send you right now, but it there is interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a description a little later. Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Hi Terry "We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by only one person." You by chance have any pics of dollies and plane nested in hangar? thx. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306339#306339 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:49 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote: > > > > I don't have anything I could send you right now, but it there is > interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a > description a > little later. They would be much appreciated Terry, particularly if your set up facilitates a switch between motorglider and regular...BTW, now that you have wings long and short, and shared ownership to boot, how do you find the process of "wing switching" to have evolved?...i.e., - Logged hours...%'age as MG, and %'age w/ shorties (?) - Are "switches" between longs and shorts made seasonally, or whimsically? Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:41 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues From: "rparigoris" Hi Terry "If there is interest in this we could look at getting some pics and a description a little later" That would be appreciated! Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=306347#306347 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:46 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Coolant temperature sensor EER! Yes! Actually, having recently carried out this exercise, the difference between the two temps is so small that it is not worth fitting a coolant temp sensor (IMHO). Brian Davies Do not archive _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 26 July 2010 17:28 Subject: Europa-List: Coolant temperature sensor Good day, Perhaps I need a logic translator to prescribe the directions I read from the following: (legal ramifications are NOT involved here) In the Rotax 914 series Installation Manual sits a table on page 48/01JUL'08, above which the following text is set: "Depending on the achieved maximum values of the cylinder head temperature and the coolant temperature following action are necessary." The table then exhibits 'maximum values for Coolant temperature and cylinder head temperature', under which for certain values the corrective action is "Additional instruments for displaying coolant temperature is necessary...." Am I wrong or do I need to install a coolant temperature sensor to see if I need to install a coolant temperature sensor? I'm sorry to disturb otherwise normal activity to address this logic twist, but I would appreciate any response applicable...... Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:49 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Europa-List: Ignition Module. I noted in passing that a 914 ignition module costs almost =A3700 (seven hundred) pounds stirling........ Is this correct, is it available cheaper anywhere else or have I just warped into parallel time zone. Regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:57 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ignition Module. Cheaper secondhand. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Parkin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Ignition Module. I noted in passing that a 914 ignition module costs almost =A3700 (seven hundred) pounds stirling........ Is this correct, is it available cheaper anywhere else or have I just warped into parallel time zone. Regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:56 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Terry, For rigging and de-rigging I have a set of Wing Walkers I can't live without. I have 30 stitches and a torn shoulder from man-handling glider wings. Now I let the equipment do the work in less than 20 minutes and save my body for other things. Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Seaver (terrys) To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Hi Bud, Ira, We have a 39 foot hanger and a 47 foot MG (some of the time). My partner on the plane, Dave DeFord, built a pair of wheeled dollies that allow us to remove the starboard wing and wheel it into the hanger, next to the plane. It takes 7 minutes to rig or derig, and can be done by only one person. Regards, Terry Seaver A135 Mono XS, long and short wings. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:28 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues Ira, Someone without a 47 foot wide hanger I guess. The short tips on Homers 419PL are about 41 feet, and his hangar is 40. He goes in sideways on a trolley. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:14 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELSA saga continues > Just to be clear to those folks Bud is speaking of: A pilot with a GLIDER rating with a SELF-LAUNCH endorsement can fly the Europa Motor Glider as a powered aircraft as follows: No LSA Speed Limit (135kts vs 120) No LSA Weight Limit (1450#) No Stall speed Limit Full Night privileges (with lights) Full IFR privileges (if so rated and equipped) NO MEDICAL CERTIFICATION of ANY KIND NO issue with prior FAILED Medical Certification Why would any US Pilot care to convert a Europa MG to the restrictions of LSA? 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