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1. 12:58 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (flyingphil2)
2. 01:02 AM - Re: SL30 Installation help (David Joyce)
3. 01:06 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (David Joyce)
4. 01:07 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (Robert C Harrison)
5. 03:55 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (Bill & Sue)
6. 04:21 AM - Monowheel landing gear dampers (Guerner Remi)
7. 04:39 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (Gerry Cole)
8. 04:46 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (PHILLIPS I)
9. 06:24 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (Greg Fuchs)
10. 06:24 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 07:52 AM - Re: Fuel lines (G-IANI)
12. 11:49 AM - Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage (Rick Sivier)
13. 02:49 PM - EIS problem identified (Karl Heindl)
14. 03:31 PM - Re: EIS problem identified (Bud Yerly)
15. 06:03 PM - Re: EIS problem identified (Karl Heindl)
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Hi Rick,
I bet you are excited!
The factory always used to suggest using a long wheelbase 'Sprinter' van. I believe
the fin didn't quite fit in but you could tie the rear doors closed around
it.
Hope that helps.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: SL30 Installation help |
John, My antenna is also in the top bit of the fuselage just behind the
baggage bay, with transponder on floor by the tailplane counterweight tower
and the com antenna in the tail fin. Works well.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:26 PM
Subject: Europa-List: SL30 Installation help
>
> Hell everyone,
> I am installing a Garmin SL30 into G-IPOD and wish to know the best place
> for the NAV antenna. It's a tri-gear and l have the standard fin mounted
> COMM antenna.
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> Many thanks,
> John
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Rick, A Europa trailer is ideal, if you have the wherewithal to tow it.
Where are you located? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ, (in Gloucestershire)
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From: "Rick Sivier" <rick.sivier@btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
> My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!) and I
> was planning to hire a van to go and get it. However, I'm not sure if it
> will fit any van that is readily available for hire. Karen at the factory
> reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which would be just a
> bit
> too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van. Does anyone have any
> recommendations for suitable vehicles?
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Rick
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| Subject: | Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Hi! Rick.
I had a 7.5 tonne gross Box van (it has a tacho but you don't need an HGV
licence. ) Take plenty of ropes to lash it all down inside but not too tight
or you'll cut into the parts. Where are you based?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sivier
Sent: 30 July 2010 23:46
Subject: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!) and I
was planning to hire a van to go and get it. However, I'm not sure if it
will fit any van that is readily available for hire. Karen at the factory
reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which would be just a bit
too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van. Does anyone have any
recommendations for suitable vehicles?
Many thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Rick, you can (sort of) get it in a transit- see the photo!
But as Bob said, a 7.5 Tonne box van (with a tail lift) is just perfect - about
100/day.
Take a friend and lots of straps and carpet or blankets for lashing it down.
Cheers,
Bill & Sue
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| Subject: | Monowheel landing gear dampers |
Thank you Bud, Kingsley and Graham for your responses.
It is always interesting to know more about the history of the design.
Regards
Remi
Time: 02:43:44 AM PST US
From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@redzone.com.au>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel landing gear dampers
> Has anyone experienced flying the Monowheel without the dampers ?
Well I certainly haven't Guerner but if I may just add a little to Bud's
comment . . . . .
The original Europa had no rubber suspension relying on the balloon
tyre to
dampen the bumps.
Europa found this was not good enough so introduced the rubber block but
found it to have too much rebound.
They then inroduced the hydraulic dampers to arrest the rebound and were
finally satisfied they had it right.
This is my recollection of the progression so if you dispense with the
dampers, you will be reverse engineering so to speak what has been done
before.
Cheers
Kingsley in Oz.
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Rick,
Years ago I was able to bring my fuselage kit home in a long
wheelbase van. However I removed the LH passenger seat before starting
(It was designed for easy removal). I had the tail hard up against the
dashboard and the rear doors not quite closed and tied together with
rope. The boxed parts went behind the driver's seat. Gear changing was a
little difficult as I remember.
Gerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Sivier
To: Europa Mailing List
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!)
and I was planning to hire a van to go and get it. However, I'm not
sure if it will fit any van that is readily available for hire. Karen
at the factory reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which
would be just a bit too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van.
Does anyone have any recommendations for suitable vehicles?
Many thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Hi Rick
It is possible in a long wheel base transit or sprinter, A slight overhang
sure! but no problem diving 200 miles back to kent
regards
Ivor
On 30 July 2010 23:45, Rick Sivier <rick.sivier@btinternet.com> wrote:
> My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!) and
> I was planning to hire a van to go and get it. However, I=92m not sure i
f it
> will fit any van that is readily available for hire. Karen at the factor
y
> reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which would be just a
bit
> too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van. Does anyone have any
> recommendations for suitable vehicles?
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Rick
>
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| Subject: | Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
I just realized how this statement could be misconstrued as a downer, and
figured adding a point or two. Gathering up the project was an extremely
exciting time -almost magical, and like the build, an experience that will
stay with me for the rest of my life. It is definately an irreplaceable
moment, and signified the starting of a new chapter in my life, representing
a new sweet(hard fought) reward to obtain. The comment was meant to be a
spoof on reliving the good 'ol days...then realizing that it would require
starting the build all over again. Well, that would be ok for plane #2, but
first things first.. Cheers to all! Greg F
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
Ahhh yes....the good ol days of kit collection. Wouldn't it be nice to go
back to that time? ........NOT!
I rented a large moving van for the journey. I can't remember its exact
length, somewhere around 30 feet?
G Fuchs
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| Subject: | Re: Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Rick-
I have made some modifications to my sailboat trailer and use it for both t
he fuselage and the wings.=C2- For as far as you are going, a boat traile
r might be a good, inexpensive,=C2-solution if you can borrow one.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "PHILLIPS I" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:45:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
Hi Rick
It is possible in a long wheel base transit or sprinter, A slight overhang
sure!=C2-but no problem diving 200 miles back to kent
regards
Ivor
On 30 July 2010 23:45, Rick Sivier < rick.sivier@btinternet.com > wrote:
My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!) and I w
as planning to hire a van to go and get it.=C2- However, I=99m not
sure if it will fit any van that is readily available for hire.=C2- Karen
at the factory reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which wo
uld be just a bit too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van.=C2- Doe
s anyone have any recommendations for suitable vehicles?
Many thanks
Rick arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
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Richard
1) The fuel selector does "Click" it has detents that the barrel "clicks"
into. They are quite easy to dismantle if you want to look inside. This
will allow you to check the internal condition. They do get stiff as they
get old.
2) The unions may not leak as they are brass but you are better off using
some sealing compound. Araldite 420 works well, Loctite 648 (but check
this) is an options. DO NOT USE PTFE tape.
3) The rubber hose Europa now supplies is perfectly good. It does not weep
or smell in any. Jubilee clips are also OK but avoid over tightening them.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Collecting my Europa Fuselage |
Many thanks for all the replies on this - especially those with pictures as
it gives me a much better idea than just the measurements. I will go and
check out the hire companies next week and see the vans in the flesh. I'm
only coming up from Cambridge, so it's a relatively easy run up the A1, so
I think I may get away with a Sprinter or LWB Luton
Thanks again
Rick
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sivier
Sent: 30 July 2010 23:46
Subject: Europa-List: Collecting my Europa Fuselage
My fuselage kit is ready for collection from the factory (at last!) and I
was planning to hire a van to go and get it. However, I'm not sure if it
will fit any van that is readily available for hire. Karen at the factory
reckoned that the fuselage is around 16 feet long, which would be just a bit
too long for a long-wheelbase Transit-type van. Does anyone have any
recommendations for suitable vehicles?
Many thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | EIS problem identified |
Ian=2C Gary=2C Bud=2C
Ian was right about the sensors. I used the only consistently wrong value o
f 10.0 volt with the engine not runnunig as a refernce to work with.
I pulled my 24 pin connector apart=2C which disconnects all probes=2C and t
he volt display was good at 12.5. So now I just had to identify which wire
was the culprit.
I used one jumper and connected one wire at a time=2C until I came to the C
HT=2C which is pin4 on the EIS side. To be 100% sure I cut the wire=2C reco
nnected the plug and ran the engine. Everything looks good except for the c
ht of course.
One more question: Is the faulty part most likely the VDO probe or the two-
stranded wire ? The two wires are crimped onto a ring-connector=2C and are
hence shorted. I don't really understand theprinciple=2C but are the two wi
res necessary ? Where can I get a VDO probe quickly ? motorcycle or car par
ts shop ?
The mind boggles at the software in this EIS unit. It scrambled all importa
nt parameters. My battery move was purely coincidental.
I think our lives would be a lot more complicated if it wasn't for this for
um.
Thanks again for all your help.
Karl
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| Subject: | Re: EIS problem identified |
Karl,
I have gone through 4 EIS CHT probes in 5 different aircraft. They are
a bit flimsy in my opinion. That unwanted opinion forwarded, I have
always found it wise to replace the CHT ring. Write to Sandy at Grand
Rapids and they may even send you one at a significant discount. The
VDO probe sensor (single wire) is Rotax proprietary (because of the
thread) and is swapped with any of the other VDO probes for testing.
The two wire probes (the CHT ring that is held in place by the VDO
sensor tight against the head) I believe is a type J thermocouple. As
the ring heats, the resistance in the probe changes (magic) and is read
by the magic box. If the ring shorts, it sends improper voltage back to
the EIS and the box is very unhappy.
I am confused at your pin 4 comment, as as that is Red CHT #5 from the
thermocouple. #19 on the other plug is your water temp sensor wire.
It is amazing what one bad voltage input will do to our magic black
boxes.
Hope I am not confusing you.
Bud
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From: Karl Heindl<mailto:kheindl@msn.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: EIS problem identified
Ian, Gary, Bud,
Ian was right about the sensors. I used the only consistently wrong
value of 10.0 volt with the engine not runnunig as a refernce to work
with.
I pulled my 24 pin connector apart, which disconnects all probes, and
the volt display was good at 12.5. So now I just had to identify which
wire was the culprit.
I used one jumper and connected one wire at a time, until I came to
the CHT, which is pin4 on the EIS side. To be 100% sure I cut the wire,
reconnected the plug and ran the engine. Everything looks good except
for the cht of course.
One more question: Is the faulty part most likely the VDO probe or the
two-stranded wire ? The two wires are crimped onto a ring-connector, and
are hence shorted. I don't really understand theprinciple, but are the
two wires necessary ? Where can I get a VDO probe quickly ? motorcycle
or car parts shop ?
The mind boggles at the software in this EIS unit. It scrambled all
important parameters. My battery move was purely coincidental.
I think our lives would be a lot more complicated if it wasn't for
this forum.
Thanks again for all your help.
Karl
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| Subject: | EIS problem identified |
Bud=2C
I am just a little bit confused. Should I order a type J thermocouple from
Sandy ? And the VDO ? It is a German make rated at 150C with the appropriat
e thread=2C I think 10mm.
My original notes have pin 4 white and pin 17 red for cht no. 1. I had an
early EIS=2C so maybe Grand Rapids made some wiring changes since then.
For coolant I have white/brown on pin 24.
Karl
From: budyerly@msn.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS problem identified
Karl=2C
I have gone through 4 EIS CHT probes in 5 different aircraft. They are a b
it flimsy in my opinion. That unwanted opinion forwarded=2C I have always
found it wise to replace the CHT ring. Write to Sandy at Grand Rapids and
they may even send you one at a significant discount. The VDO probe sensor
(single wire) is Rotax proprietary (because of the thread) and is swapped
with any of the other VDO probes for testing. The two wire probes (the CHT
ring that is held in place by the VDO sensor tight against the head) I bel
ieve is a type J thermocouple. As the ring heats=2C the resistance in the
probe changes (magic) and is read by the magic box. If the ring shorts=2C
it sends improper voltage back to the EIS and the box is very unhappy.
I am confused at your pin 4 comment=2C as as that is Red CHT #5 from the th
ermocouple. #19 on the other plug is your water temp sensor wire.
It is amazing what one bad voltage input will do to our magic black boxes.
Hope I am not confusing you.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heindl
Sent: Saturday=2C July 31=2C 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: EIS problem identified
Ian=2C Gary=2C Bud=2C
Ian was right about the sensors. I used the only consistently wrong value o
f 10.0 volt with the engine not runnunig as a refernce to work with.
I pulled my 24 pin connector apart=2C which disconnects all probes=2C and t
he volt display was good at 12.5. So now I just had to identify which wire
was the culprit.
I used one jumper and connected one wire at a time=2C until I came to the C
HT=2C which is pin4 on the EIS side. To be 100% sure I cut the wire=2C reco
nnected the plug and ran the engine. Everything looks good except for the c
ht of course.
One more question: Is the faulty part most likely the VDO probe or the two-
stranded wire ? The two wires are crimped onto a ring-connector=2C and are
hence shorted. I don't really understand theprinciple=2C but are the two wi
res necessary ? Where can I get a VDO probe quickly ? motorcycle or car par
ts shop ?
The mind boggles at the software in this EIS unit. It scrambled all importa
nt parameters. My battery move was purely coincidental.
I think our lives would be a lot more complicated if it wasn't for this for
um.
Thanks again for all your help.
Karl
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