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3. 01:58 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Greg Fuchs)
4. 03:26 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Tim Ward)
5. 03:26 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Tim Ward)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Karl Heindl)
7. 06:10 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Paul McAllister)
8. 06:10 AM - Re: C-GLOB (Brian Davies)
9. 09:06 AM - Rough River (Fred Klein)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Rough River (Jeff B)
11. 09:45 PM - Differences between classic and XS (albertakolbmk3)
12. 09:50 PM - Fuel sight gauge (creightonious)
13. 10:32 PM - Re: Fuel sight gauge (Fred Klein)
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Hello Luc,
I would really appreciate that, it would be much easier. Thanks!
Just let me know where to point to.
Regards,
Greg Fuchs A050
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Luc Michaud
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Uploaded "The Europa" 32-minute video (circa 2000)
to Youtube
Hello Greg,
I can upload a 380mb divx to microsoft live skydrive if you so desire.
Regards,
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:18, Greg Fuchs <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
wrote:
Nice...I have never seen this. The one I have on tape is only 14 minutes,
and only has some of the footage. Now to find a way to port it off Utube to
use as motivation..
Greg
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Luc Michaud
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Uploaded "The Europa" 32-minute video (circa 2000) to
Youtube
Hello all,
Just a quick note to let you know that I found that intro video about the
Europa that I had ordered in 2000. I feel it`s a great video, so I checked
with Europa-Aircraft.com and they gave me the green light to upload it to
Youtube.
The first part can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EYAQsVWCMs
The 2nd part is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4foTmO6SY
The 3rd and last part is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyfLJJ5TYBs (just
about completed now).
I presume that you have all seen this video quite often before; my targeted
audience is my friends and colleagues that are so curious about my new
Europa monowheel (Jim Stoveken's A059, being transformed from N202Y to
C-GLOB).
By the way, I had 2 full inches of extra length in my garage for A059 on its
trailer. So, with the spinner in place, we are talking of 19'6" on the
trailer.
Best regards,
Luc
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=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Luc Michaud <rambug
@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 26 August, 20
10 5:51:28=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: C-GLOB=0A=0A=0A(Luc=0Ayou do need a
fuel return line.=0AClassic sight gauge is not very good.Better to have it
nearer the tank, up the =0Afront of the seat back works quite well=0AYou mi
ght need carb heat. The best way is hot water. Skydrive UK sell a kit for
=0Ait which is the recommended way (be Rotax) Fit the Rotax carb heat shiel
ds but =0Acheck they fit with the Skydrive carb heat.=0ATwin gascolators is
best, Andair or similar, before the fuel selector. You then =0Ahave each t
ank gascolated. Expensive though but they will keep water out of the =0Acar
bs=0AFuses are more reliable than breakers.=0AGraham=0A=0AHere are my quest
ions:=0A
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Luc,
Having read your shipping descriptions and the strapping problems, forgive
me if I extracted some humor from them. The ship is home safe now, so
hopefully it is ok. I hope any damage is small.
That's a lot of questions, I don't have experience with a lot of them, since
my plane is awhile from flying.
In the experimental world of airplanes, many times there is no correct or
right way of doing something (safety issues aside). My opinion is that the
answer to many questions, such as whether to use breakers or fuses, is a
personal one based on the functionality you are looking for.
Most importantly, it would be wise to check the regs for Canada (or wherever
your home station resides), and answer some of the questions based on their
content.
Here is a stab at a few (others will have their opinions to add, I hope):
>3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a
vertical hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is this
system ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
Many people use this. In level stable flight and proper venting, it might
work ok. Others have moved it closer to the tank (much better) to the space
between the seats, or have eliminated it altogether. Other options include
capacitance, float, or Europa's level checker which should be available on
the web sight. One nifty method measures the weight of the fuel in the tank.
My personal opinion is that at least one redundant method would be a minimum
system. Out of the two methods, one should be a direct measurement. For
example: one float and one fuel calculator (based on fuel flow sensor,
automatically incorporated into current day EFIS systems) should be ok. Or a
sight gauge and a fuel calculator. In the end, it comes down to you. If I
had just bought the plane, and the current gauge is working well, I probably
would not change it right away. Small well-checked changes over large
periods of time would be my mantra, if everything else works
great....especially for fuel systems, which have a higher rate of incidence
of causing problems in small aircraft. That would be in hopes of keeping any
new changes from creating large problems.
As for tubing changes, there is a lot of information for this on the
Matronics server. General consensus shows many tube types need replacing
every few years due to discoloring. There is a hybrid tube with teflon on
the inside that appears to have a lot of potential. I will be using it, but
it is untested by me. Others have tested it, however.
>4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing, knowing that the aircraft first flew
nearly 11 years ago ?
To be on the conservative side....probably. If not already done, be sure
to check the maintenance logs to see if it has been done. I think the Europa
documentation weighs in on this somewhere..
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use any
solenoid for the master switch ?
Some people use one, some don't. If power requirements are relatively low, a
solenoid for the master switch is not needed.
Best Regards,
Greg
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Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street'
Fendalton,
Christchurch.
NEW ZEALAND
Ph. 64 3 3515166
Mob 021 0640221
Email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Luc Michaud
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C-GLOB
(PLS note that I have some questions at the end of this email.)
Ok let's talk about the soon-to-registered as C-GLOB Europa Classic
monowheel s/n A059 built by Jim Stoveken....
I used uship.com to book a transport from the southeastern tip of GA
right up to about 2 miles from the Canadian border near Montreal.
I got someone with a diesel pickup towing a 28' enclosed trailer to
pick-up the airplane. The previous owner arranged for him to have
access to the plane rigged on its Europa trailer, and he loaded it in
around 9h00 on Sunday July 25th. The Europa trailer was well secured to
the inside of the enclosed trailer, and they were off...
About an hour after, they went and checked the state of the trailer
and the fuselage was all sideways on one side. The monowheel had not
been properly strapped in its cradle... They call me with the news, and
I thought they had broken the thing in 2 at the time, but it turned out
to only cause some minor damages on the port side of the fuselage, due
to rubbing against the bolts on the wing cradle. So, they managed to
straighten the fuselage and strap the monowheel in place, and set off
again...
At a later stop/check, they noticed the tailwheel had come loose,
causing it to bump against the top of the enclosed trailer, and causing
a ding up to the foam in a very localized area of the top of the tail,
due to rubbing agains the edge of a lighting fixture at the top of the
trailer. So, they put more straps on top of the tailwheel...
They're back off, until they notice that the monowheel strap actually
broke... Presumably the sides of the MLG arm were sharp enough to cut
through the fabric. Minor damage on the starboard side of the fuselage
now...
No more damage ensued, although I didn`t check if the tailwheel
bearing/axle got damaged yet.
So, on the next day (Monday), they delivered the plane at around
13h30. We rigged the Europa trailer to my car, I installed my Quebec
license plate on it, put all the miscellaneous items in my car (top
cowling, tailplanes, documentation, etc) and I was off to the border.
Border passage went ok, after GST and PST were perceived. Some
concerns were present with regards to the homebuilt trailer, but they
finally did decide that all was ok.
So, drove over at no more than 80 km/h to my home, where a friend
helped to remove the port wing from its cradle, and attempt to put the
trailer in my basement garage. It did fit ! Had the hacksaw all set up
and ready to butcher the end wall of my garage. No need, thank
goodness.
Now, I have gone through a bit all the stuff I received with the
plane:
classic builder's manual (circa 1996), owner's manual, rotax manuals,
radios manuals, builder's log w/ photo album, airframe log, and engine
log.
Here are my questions:
1. The underside of A059 is all grimy. What product can I use to clean
the fuselage ?
Soap and water.
2. According to the fuel system schema, I do not have a return line.
I however see a line going back from just before the port carburetor
fuel intake (seemingly to a junction at the main tank outlet ?). Was
there a mod that changed this ? Can I get access to it ?
Very early mod to prevent Fuel vapourisation. Should go back to the
main right side tank with a restrictor inside it to restrict the flow.
3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a
vertical hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is
this system ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
That is the original set up and OK. I did not do it that way as I
have a electrical guage as well so placed the site gauge at the back
right side of the baggage bay
4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing, knowing that the aircraft first
flew nearly 11 years ago ?
Yes, easily done and the original supplied tubing was rubbish!
5. What's the best material to change the fuel filler tube ? It
stinks... Anyone looked at Goodyear products ? What are the inner
diameters involved ?
They are a standard Purolator Pro-Fuel line filter available at auto
shops. Stinks = replace filter. They work very well although I do have
an Andair gascolator as well in series.
6. The ID plate of A059 is affixed on the removeable panel behind the
baggage bay. Anyone did the same ? I think in Canada I'll get snagged
on this.
In NZ we have to have it somewhere accessible to the outside fuselage,
stainless steal. I have my one on the Pilots door sill.
7. Gascolators... I'm looking to install them new ACS high-pressure
gascolators. My inspector told me over the phone to install only 1, and
that it should typically be installed at the lowest point of the fuel
system, which would be in level flight the lowest part of the firewall.
Should I install it after the electrical pump, over there ? I see a lot
of discussions here about twin gascolator setups.
Twin gascolators are for a parallel system which is good by expensive.
Install it under the baggage bay, if you don't have the extended baggage
bay mod then behind the 'D' baulkhead before the electrical pump.
8. Cabin and Carb heat: My rotax tech says the 912's carbs are
already too hot, being on top of the rear cyl exhaust pipes, and that
permanently adding heat to the carbs was asking for trouble, as the fuel
could boil before the carbs. He is infact advocating for adding heat
shields underneat the carbs, and bringing carb heat through a muffler
shroud and an airbox. The Classic muffler has an embedded very short
air heating shroud on its top front section. Anyone used this ? Is
this hot enough for carb heat ? Is this even hot enough for cabin heat
?
In NZ I have not needed any cabin heat, even during the coldest
winter. Extra jersey!! Engine heat is sufficient. We have to have carb
heat here despite the temps under the cowls being hot enough even at
altitude, so I have the Sky drive system which is brilliant. I have the
heat shields under the carbs mainly for fire protection from the exhaust
rather than heat sheilds.
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use
any solenoid for the master switch ?
Solenoid for the starter only.
10. A059 relies on fuses, should I replace with breakers ?
You can however fuses are OK.
11. How do I keep the airframe standing when I want to remove the MLG
to change the bungees ?
Either an overhead hoist on the engine to keep the aircraft off the
ground or saw horses under the wings (tie down the tail) after lifting
the aircraft via the undercarriage (1 TON JACK) Lowering onto the horses
and then raise undercarriage. Horses under the spars next to the
fuselage.(TIE DOWN THE TAIL)
12. The surface of the wings is rather wobbly but no sign of
delamination, Anything I should be looking out for ?
Wobbly?? !!!Interesting. Could be delimination of the ribs which would
be serious. Look into that!!
That a lot of questions. I hope some of you will find it in them to
answer some of them.
I want to get this baby ready for inspection.
Then, I'll need to find a test pilot which will check out the
airplane, and then transition-train me. Maybe that Decathlon aerobatics
instructor ?
Regards,
Luc
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:29, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
wrote:
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On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Luc Michaud wrote:
By the way, I had 2 full inches of extra length in my garage for
A059 on its trailer. So, with the spinner in place, we are talking of
19'6" on the trailer.
I've heard it said that 2" can make all the difference in the
world...
BTW Luc, by what means did you end up getting the Europa up to CA?
Fred
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Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street'
Fendalton,
Christchurch.
NEW ZEALAND
Ph. 64 3 3515166
Mob 021 0640221
Email ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Luc Michaud
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C-GLOB
(PLS note that I have some questions at the end of this email.)
Ok let's talk about the soon-to-registered as C-GLOB Europa Classic
monowheel s/n A059 built by Jim Stoveken....
I used uship.com to book a transport from the southeastern tip of GA
right up to about 2 miles from the Canadian border near Montreal.
I got someone with a diesel pickup towing a 28' enclosed trailer to
pick-up the airplane. The previous owner arranged for him to have
access to the plane rigged on its Europa trailer, and he loaded it in
around 9h00 on Sunday July 25th. The Europa trailer was well secured to
the inside of the enclosed trailer, and they were off...
About an hour after, they went and checked the state of the trailer
and the fuselage was all sideways on one side. The monowheel had not
been properly strapped in its cradle... They call me with the news, and
I thought they had broken the thing in 2 at the time, but it turned out
to only cause some minor damages on the port side of the fuselage, due
to rubbing against the bolts on the wing cradle. So, they managed to
straighten the fuselage and strap the monowheel in place, and set off
again...
At a later stop/check, they noticed the tailwheel had come loose,
causing it to bump against the top of the enclosed trailer, and causing
a ding up to the foam in a very localized area of the top of the tail,
due to rubbing agains the edge of a lighting fixture at the top of the
trailer. So, they put more straps on top of the tailwheel...
They're back off, until they notice that the monowheel strap actually
broke... Presumably the sides of the MLG arm were sharp enough to cut
through the fabric. Minor damage on the starboard side of the fuselage
now...
No more damage ensued, although I didn`t check if the tailwheel
bearing/axle got damaged yet.
So, on the next day (Monday), they delivered the plane at around
13h30. We rigged the Europa trailer to my car, I installed my Quebec
license plate on it, put all the miscellaneous items in my car (top
cowling, tailplanes, documentation, etc) and I was off to the border.
Border passage went ok, after GST and PST were perceived. Some
concerns were present with regards to the homebuilt trailer, but they
finally did decide that all was ok.
So, drove over at no more than 80 km/h to my home, where a friend
helped to remove the port wing from its cradle, and attempt to put the
trailer in my basement garage. It did fit ! Had the hacksaw all set up
and ready to butcher the end wall of my garage. No need, thank
goodness.
Now, I have gone through a bit all the stuff I received with the
plane:
classic builder's manual (circa 1996), owner's manual, rotax manuals,
radios manuals, builder's log w/ photo album, airframe log, and engine
log.
Here are my questions:
1. The underside of A059 is all grimy. What product can I use to clean
the fuselage ?
Soap and water.
2. According to the fuel system schema, I do not have a return line.
I however see a line going back from just before the port carburetor
fuel intake (seemingly to a junction at the main tank outlet ?). Was
there a mod that changed this ? Can I get access to it ?
Very early mod to prevent Fuel vapourisation. Should go back to the
main right side tank with a restrictor inside it to restrict the flow.
3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a
vertical hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is
this system ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
That is the original set up and OK. I did not do it that way as I
have a electrical guage as well so placed the site gauge at the back
right side of the baggage bay
4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing, knowing that the aircraft first
flew nearly 11 years ago ?
Yes, easily done and the original supplied tubing was rubbish!
5. What's the best material to change the fuel filler tube ? It
stinks... Anyone looked at Goodyear products ? What are the inner
diameters involved ?
They are a standard Purolator Pro-Fuel line filter available at auto
shops. Stinks = replace filter. They work very well although I do have
an Andair gascolator as well in series.
6. The ID plate of A059 is affixed on the removeable panel behind the
baggage bay. Anyone did the same ? I think in Canada I'll get snagged
on this.
In NZ we have to have it somewhere accessible to the outside fuselage,
stainless steal. I have my one on the Pilots door sill.
7. Gascolators... I'm looking to install them new ACS high-pressure
gascolators. My inspector told me over the phone to install only 1, and
that it should typically be installed at the lowest point of the fuel
system, which would be in level flight the lowest part of the firewall.
Should I install it after the electrical pump, over there ? I see a lot
of discussions here about twin gascolator setups.
Twin gascolators are for a parallel system which is good by expensive.
Install it under the baggage bay, if you don't have the extended baggage
bay mod then behind the 'D' baulkhead before the electrical pump.
8. Cabin and Carb heat: My rotax tech says the 912's carbs are
already too hot, being on top of the rear cyl exhaust pipes, and that
permanently adding heat to the carbs was asking for trouble, as the fuel
could boil before the carbs. He is infact advocating for adding heat
shields underneat the carbs, and bringing carb heat through a muffler
shroud and an airbox. The Classic muffler has an embedded very short
air heating shroud on its top front section. Anyone used this ? Is
this hot enough for carb heat ? Is this even hot enough for cabin heat
?
In NZ I have not needed any cabin heat, even during the coldest
winter. Extra jersey!! Engine heat is sufficient. We have to have carb
heat here despite the temps under the cowls being hot enough even at
altitude, so I have the Sky drive system which is brilliant. I have the
heat shields under the carbs mainly for fire protection from the exhaust
rather than heat sheilds.
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use
any solenoid for the master switch ?
Solenoid for the starter only.
10. A059 relies on fuses, should I replace with breakers ?
You can however fuses are OK.
11. How do I keep the airframe standing when I want to remove the MLG
to change the bungees ?
Either an overhead hoist on the engine to keep the aircraft off the
ground or saw horses under the wings (tie down the tail) after lifting
the aircraft via the undercarriage (1 TON JACK) Lowering onto the horses
and then raise undercarriage. Horses under the spars next to the
fuselage.(TIE DOWN THE TAIL)
12. The surface of the wings is rather wobbly but no sign of
delamination, Anything I should be looking out for ?
Wobbly?? !!!Interesting. Could be delimination of the ribs which would
be serious. Look into that!!
That a lot of questions. I hope some of you will find it in them to
answer some of them.
I want to get this baby ready for inspection.
Then, I'll need to find a test pilot which will check out the
airplane, and then transition-train me. Maybe that Decathlon aerobatics
instructor ?
Regards,
Luc
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:29, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
wrote:
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On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Luc Michaud wrote:
By the way, I had 2 full inches of extra length in my garage for
A059 on its trailer. So, with the spinner in place, we are talking of
19'6" on the trailer.
I've heard it said that 2" can make all the difference in the
world...
BTW Luc, by what means did you end up getting the Europa up to CA?
Fred
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Hi Luc=2C
You may want to look at another Europa. I am parked at Cornwall Regional=2C
which is about an hour from west Montreal. I can advise you on your querie
s=2C unless mono-specific.Also about Canadian requirements for the inspecti
on. My first advice would be to do only what is necessary for the Special C
ofA and find a test pilot. You can then spend a couple years changing anyth
ing else. There doesn't seem that much to do. Did you not get the airframe/
engine logbooks ? They would tell you about fuel line and oil change etc.Ta
lk to the previous owner about your concern for the wings. Were they always
like that from day one=2C or did they change ? In the latter case I would
be very concerned.
Karl
From: rambug@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C-GLOB
(PLS note that I have some questions at the end of this email.)
Ok let's talk about the soon-to-registered as C-GLOB Europa Classic monowhe
el s/n A059 built by Jim Stoveken....
I used uship.com to book a transport from the southeastern tip of GA right
up to about 2 miles from the Canadian border near Montreal.
I got someone with a diesel pickup towing a 28' enclosed trailer to pick-up
the airplane. The previous owner arranged for him to have access to the p
lane rigged on its Europa trailer=2C and he loaded it in around 9h00 on Sun
day July 25th. The Europa trailer was well secured to the inside of the en
closed trailer=2C and they were off...
About an hour after=2C they went and checked the state of the trailer and t
he fuselage was all sideways on one side. The monowheel had not been prope
rly strapped in its cradle... They call me with the news=2C and I thought
they had broken the thing in 2 at the time=2C but it turned out to only cau
se some minor damages on the port side of the fuselage=2C due to rubbing ag
ainst the bolts on the wing cradle. So=2C they managed to straighten the f
uselage and strap the monowheel in place=2C and set off again...
At a later stop/check=2C they noticed the tailwheel had come loose=2C causi
ng it to bump against the top of the enclosed trailer=2C and causing a ding
up to the foam in a very localized area of the top of the tail=2C due to r
ubbing agains the edge of a lighting fixture at the top of the trailer. So
=2C they put more straps on top of the tailwheel...
They're back off=2C until they notice that the monowheel strap actually bro
ke... Presumably the sides of the MLG arm were sharp enough to cut through
the fabric. Minor damage on the starboard side of the fuselage now...
No more damage ensued=2C although I didn`t check if the tailwheel bearing/a
xle got damaged yet.
So=2C on the next day (Monday)=2C they delivered the plane at around 13h30.
We rigged the Europa trailer to my car=2C I installed my Quebec license
plate on it=2C put all the miscellaneous items in my car (top cowling=2C ta
ilplanes=2C documentation=2C etc) and I was off to the border.
Border passage went ok=2C after GST and PST were perceived. Some concerns
were present with regards to the homebuilt trailer=2C but they finally did
decide that all was ok.
So=2C drove over at no more than 80 km/h to my home=2C where a friend helpe
d to remove the port wing from its cradle=2C and attempt to put the trailer
in my basement garage. It did fit ! Had the hacksaw all set up and ready
to butcher the end wall of my garage. No need=2C thank goodness.
Now=2C I have gone through a bit all the stuff I received with the plane:cl
assic builder's manual (circa 1996)=2C owner's manual=2C rotax manuals=2C r
adios manuals=2C builder's log w/ photo album=2C airframe log=2C and engine
log.
Here are my questions:1. The underside of A059 is all grimy. What product c
an I use to clean the fuselage ?2. According to the fuel system schema=2C I
do not have a return line. I however see a line going back from just befo
re the port carburetor fuel intake (seemingly to a junction at the main tan
k outlet ?). Was there a mod that changed this ? Can I get access to it ?
3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a verti
cal hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is this system
ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing=2C knowing that the aircraft first fl
ew nearly 11 years ago ?5. What's the best material to change the fuel fill
er tube ? It stinks... Anyone looked at Goodyear products ? What are the
inner diameters involved ?
6. The ID plate of A059 is affixed on the removeable panel behind the bagga
ge bay. Anyone did the same ? I think in Canada I'll get snagged on this.
7. Gascolators... I'm looking to install them new ACS high-pressure gascol
ators. My inspector told me over the phone to install only 1=2C and that i
t should typically be installed at the lowest point of the fuel system=2C w
hich would be in level flight the lowest part of the firewall. Should I in
stall it after the electrical pump=2C over there ? I see a lot of discussi
ons here about twin gascolator setups.
8. Cabin and Carb heat: My rotax tech says the 912's carbs are already too
hot=2C being on top of the rear cyl exhaust pipes=2C and that permanently
adding heat to the carbs was asking for trouble=2C as the fuel could boil b
efore the carbs. He is infact advocating for adding heat shields underneat
the carbs=2C and bringing carb heat through a muffler shroud and an airbox
. The Classic muffler has an embedded very short air heating shroud on its
top front section. Anyone used this ? Is this hot enough for carb heat ?
Is this even hot enough for cabin heat ?
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use any s
olenoid for the master switch ? 10. A059 relies on fuses=2C should I repla
ce with breakers ?11. How do I keep the airframe standing when I want to re
move the MLG to change the bungees ?
12. The surface of the wings is rather wobbly but no sign of delamination
=2C Anything I should be looking out for ?
That a lot of questions. I hope some of you will find it in them to answer
some of them.
I want to get this baby ready for inspection.
Then=2C I'll need to find a test pilot which will check out the airplane=2C
and then transition-train me. Maybe that Decathlon aerobatics instructor
?
Regards=2C
Luc
On Wed=2C Aug 25=2C 2010 at 12:29=2C Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wr
ote:
On Aug 24=2C 2010=2C at 7:36 PM=2C Luc Michaud wrote:
By the way=2C I had 2 full inches of extra length in my garage for A059 on
its trailer. So=2C with the spinner in place=2C we are talking of 19'6" on
the trailer.
I've heard it said that 2" can make all the difference in the world...
BTW Luc=2C by what means did you end up getting the Europa up to CA?
Fred
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HI Luc, I suspect that many of your questions have been answered however I
will share my thoughts:
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Luc Michaud <rambug@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Now, I have gone through a bit all the stuff I received with the plane:
> classic builder's manual (circa 1996), owner's manual, rotax manuals,
> radios manuals, builder's log w/ photo album, airframe log, and engine log.
>
Carefully check the airframe log against all of the Mandatory modifications
published on the factory site. There will be many that need to be done on
an older Europa Classic.
>
> Here are my questions:
> 1. The underside of A059 is all grimy. What product can I use to clean the
> fuselage ?
>
My paint is 2 part epoxy which is resistant most things. I use alcohol cut
through grimy stuff and then soap and water.
> 2. According to the fuel system schema, I do not have a return line. I
> however see a line going back from just before the port carburetor fuel
> intake (seemingly to a junction at the main tank outlet ?). Was there a mod
> that changed this ? Can I get access to it ?
>
Yes, you need to put a return line back to the tank
> 3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a
> vertical hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is this
> system ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
>
I gave up trying to make my sight gauge work and I made a system designed by
Tony K that weights the fuel. You will need some electronic assembly skills
to build one. I did hear of a simpler approach where someone connected the
sensor into there Grand Rapids EIS.
Other ideas that work are float gauges and capacitance probes in the tank.
> 4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing, knowing that the aircraft first flew
> nearly 11 years ago ?
>
Yes. I used automotive fuel injection hose. This type of hose is resistant
to the additives found in Auto gas.
> 5. What's the best material to change the fuel filler tube ? It stinks...
> Anyone looked at Goodyear products ?
>
I used an aluminum elbow and short lengths of rubber hose.
>
> 6. The ID plate of A059 is affixed on the removeable panel behind the
> baggage bay. Anyone did the same ? I think in Canada I'll get snagged on
> this.
>
The location will be dictated by CAA.
> 7. Gascolators... I'm looking to install them new ACS high-pressure
> gascolators. My inspector told me over the phone to install only 1, and
> that it should typically be installed at the lowest point of the fuel
> system, which would be in level flight the lowest part of the firewall.
> Should I install it after the electrical pump, over there ? I see a lot of
> discussions here about twin gascolator setups.
>
There are several different opinions among the people on the forum on the
idea fuel system design, but my opinion is to use parallel twin gascolator
setups and not to use the purlolator filters.
> 8. Cabin and Carb heat:
>
Skydirve make a nice carburetor heat system.
I live in North America and I find if it is a sunny day it is fine to fly in
the winter, but I remember coming back from Memphis in January on an
overcast day and we were miserably cold.
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use any
> solenoid for the master switch ?
>
Some designs use a heavy duty master disconnect switch. It saves on the
current draw from a solenoid .
>
> 10. A059 relies on fuses, should I replace with breakers ?
>
Automotive blade fuses are more reliable. If you have round glass fuses
then they can potentially be a problem
> 11. How do I keep the airframe standing when I want to remove the MLG to
> change the bungees ?
>
I made some dummy spars and supporting legs to attach to them for when I am
working on my fuselage. Its a little bit of work but they have come in
handy over the years.
> 12. The surface of the wings is rather wobbly but no sign of delamination,
> Anything I should be looking out for ?
>
I am not sure if I understand this. If they are classic wings, then my
first concern would be de lamination. Have you tried a 'tap test' to
check. if not then I suppose its just an finish issue from when it was
originally built.
Regards, Paul
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Hi Luc,
I will try to answer some of your questions:
1. Cleaning - no real substitute for hot soapy water mixed with a small
amount of parrafin/white spirit/kersosene to get rid of grime on the
underside
2. If you use Mogas, a return line is mandatory in most countries. The
normal configuration is a 6mm pipe teed off from near the port carb, back to
the fuel tank outlet. By your description, it sounds like you have one
fitted. Be careful if you change the hose. There is a flow restrictor
pushed down inside the hose that must be recovered and pushed down the new
hose..
3. The classic fuel sight gauge is OK as a gross error check but is heavily
influenced by aircraft attitude. You really need a second method of knowing
how much fuel you have.
4. If the rubber fuel pipes have not been changed since build, then it
would be wise to change them. In most cases, normal automotive fuel
injection hose works fine and easy to get hold of and not expensive. The
two sizes needed are 8mm and 6mm or inches equivalent.
5. Not sure what the answer to the filler tube is on the classic. The XS
Europa has the filler in a slightly different postion and used a fibre glass
duct.
6. Dont know about ID plates in Canada.
7. The standard fit for fuel filters is to have a glass inline filter under
the seat pan for both the main and reserve fuel supplies. A key design
feature is to be able to switch quickly to the reserve and a clean filter if
there is a problem with the main fuel supply. If you swich to gascolators
try to preserve this design feature.
8. The UK regulatory authorities have approved the use of water heated carb
heat on the Rotax engine. They would not have done this if it created
problems. I have had no problem whatsoever with this arrangement. I do not
have heat sheilds but many people do fit them.
9. Many Europas save the weight and complexity of a remotely operated
battery master solenoid and simply use a racing car manully operated battery
master switch. It works fine.
10. If the plane is already fitted with fuses I would leave well alone. I
use contact breakers but there are pros and cons.
11. The aircraft can be supported by stands under the wings near the wing
roots. Just make sure you spread the load with wood and carpet. If you
want to remove the wings you will need a cradle or put something through the
spar holes supported by stands either side.
12 I did not build a classic wing but I understand the leading edge profile
is more critical than the overall wing surface If there is no delamination
and it flies OK, leave well alone.
I hope that helps and I wish you luck and a lot of fun with your new toy.
Best regards
Brian Davies
The Europa Club, membership sec.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Luc Michaud
Sent: 26 August 2010 05:51
Subject: Re: Europa-List: C-GLOB
Here are my questions:
1. The underside of A059 is all grimy. What product can I use to clean the
fuselage ?
2. According to the fuel system schema, I do not have a return line. I
however see a line going back from just before the port carburetor fuel
intake (seemingly to a junction at the main tank outlet ?). Was there a mod
that changed this ? Can I get access to it ?
3. I have the Classic fuel sight gauge with a clear tube going over a
vertical hatched pattern to the right of the pilot's right knee. Is this
system ok ? Should I only change the tubing to them blue tubes ?
4. Should I re-do all the fuel tubing, knowing that the aircraft first flew
nearly 11 years ago ?
5. What's the best material to change the fuel filler tube ? It stinks...
Anyone looked at Goodyear products ? What are the inner diameters involved
?
6. The ID plate of A059 is affixed on the removeable panel behind the
baggage bay. Anyone did the same ? I think in Canada I'll get snagged on
this.
7. Gascolators... I'm looking to install them new ACS high-pressure
gascolators. My inspector told me over the phone to install only 1, and
that it should typically be installed at the lowest point of the fuel
system, which would be in level flight the lowest part of the firewall.
Should I install it after the electrical pump, over there ? I see a lot of
discussions here about twin gascolator setups.
8. Cabin and Carb heat: My rotax tech says the 912's carbs are already too
hot, being on top of the rear cyl exhaust pipes, and that permanently adding
heat to the carbs was asking for trouble, as the fuel could boil before the
carbs. He is infact advocating for adding heat shields underneat the carbs,
and bringing carb heat through a muffler shroud and an airbox. The Classic
muffler has an embedded very short air heating shroud on its top front
section. Anyone used this ? Is this hot enough for carb heat ? Is this
even hot enough for cabin heat ?
9. Am I correct to understand that the electrical system does not use any
solenoid for the master switch ?
10. A059 relies on fuses, should I replace with breakers ?
11. How do I keep the airframe standing when I want to remove the MLG to
change the bungees ?
12. The surface of the wings is rather wobbly but no sign of delamination,
Anything I should be looking out for ?
That a lot of questions. I hope some of you will find it in them to answer
some of them.
I want to get this baby ready for inspection.
Then, I'll need to find a test pilot which will check out the airplane, and
then transition-train me. Maybe that Decathlon aerobatics instructor ?
Regards,
Luc
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:29, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Luc Michaud wrote:
By the way, I had 2 full inches of extra length in my garage for A059 on its
trailer. So, with the spinner in place, we are talking of 19'6" on the
trailer.
I've heard it said that 2" can make all the difference in the world...
BTW Luc, by what means did you end up getting the Europa up to CA?
Fred
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Delighted to hear there will be a west coast contingent in attendance!
It sounds like RR will be the biggest gathering of Europas in the US
to date by far!
I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts about how our (brief) time
together can best be utilized?
Fred
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Well, flying by day and drinking by night, of course. It's a RR
tradition... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
500+ Hours
On 8/26/2010 10:59 AM, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts about how our (brief) time
> together can best be utilized?
>
> Fred
>
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| Subject: | Differences between classic and XS |
Hi everyone,
I have been looking at purchasing a europa but would like to know what the differences are between the classic and xs? There is a classic that has been converted to an xs except the baggage area. What exactly are the changes? How big is the baggage area in the classic? Also, is there any problems with transporting the plane on the trailer for say 2100 KM? The plane I'm interested in is on Barnstormers, link is http://asyouwill.com/europa/Home.html. Does anyone out there know this plane? Apparently it was built in Calgary, AB, Canada and the current owner is in California. I'm in Alberta also so would like to transport it home on the trailer if possible. What should a person look for when inspecting?
Thanks,
Tony
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Kolb MKIII C
Rotax 582
C Gearbox 3.00:1
WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
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| Subject: | Fuel sight gauge |
What is the state of current thinking regarding the sight gauge?
Between the seats or forward?
What materials?
Any floating balls to increase readability?
Plumbing tips?
Thanks,
Creighton Smith A036
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gauge |
> What is the state of current thinking regarding the sight gauge?
Creighton,
I suspect you'll find a number of favored alternatives to the
location called for in the build manual w/ no consensus on a
particular one. I'd heard that shortcomings of the standard location
include inability to read it when refueling or in flight, and a
general aversion to creating a potential puddle at the feet of the
pilot.
> Between the seats or forward?
I placed my between the seats....photo below.
> What materials?
I used some rigid plastic pipe sold by Acft Spruce as sight gauge
material, and run flex tubing across the "shelf" and into the stbd
raised back rest where it presently sits (coiled) and will ultimately
be run to vent into the top of the "cobra". If I were to do it over
again, I'd find some proper mounting brackets and run flex tubing
continuous thus eliminating all joints.
> Any floating balls to increase readability?
I made some short (1/4") cylinders of flox and painted them yellow
with acft dope...tests for durability were satisfactory (sitting in a
cup of fuel for several months)...one sits in the bottom of the sight
gauge tube awaiting completion of the airframe and filling of the tank.
> Plumbing tips?
Think it through before doing anything.
Hope this helps,
Fred
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