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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Differences between classic and XS (Karl Heindl)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Differences between classic and XS (Christoph Both)
3. 09:40 PM - Re: Differences between classic and XS (David DeFord)
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| Subject: | Differences between classic and XS |
Tony=2C
My advice would be to find another Europa owner who built his own (ideally
Kim Prout)=2C offer to pay his expenses=2C and get him to do an inspection.
The main difference is in the wings. Baggage bay extension with weight upg
rade is available as a retrofit from the factory.Why not fly it back to Alb
erta ?
Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: Differences between classic and XS
> From: albertaflyer@gmail.com
> Date: Thu=2C 26 Aug 2010 21:44:26 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
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> Hi everyone=2C
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> I have been looking at purchasing a europa but would like to know what th
e differences are between the classic and xs? There is a classic that has b
een converted to an xs except the baggage area. What exactly are the change
s? How big is the baggage area in the classic? Also=2C is there any problem
s with transporting the plane on the trailer for say 2100 KM? The plane I'm
interested in is on Barnstormers=2C link is http://asyouwill.com/europa/Ho
me.html. Does anyone out there know this plane? Apparently it was built in
Calgary=2C AB=2C Canada and the current owner is in California. I'm in Albe
rta also so would like to transport it home on the trailer if possible. Wha
t should a person look for when inspecting?
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> Thanks=2C
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> Tony
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| Subject: | Differences between classic and XS |
Hello:
Funny how memory kicks in when you see a picture. N24070 was previously bui
lt in Canada. I knew the builder, Ken Whittington of Calgary, Alberta, well
. In fact he was the first Canadian builder who completed a Europa! He buil
t it together with his son.
I also knew the plane quite well as I visited twice for several days, pains
takingly taking notes and measurements in his garage to assist my own build
ing. I have many pictures from the construction given to me by Ken, or made
on location myself.
This is definitively a very well built plane. It was originally a MONO but
after a ground loop and damaged expensive French prop, Ken did to conversio
n to TRI. He never regretted it. The only thing I am aware of is that it ca
me in a bit heavy as he put a lot of extras in, but as many commented, very
well built. Paint is a Endura 2 part epoxy and should last a long time. Ke
n sold it close to $100,000 to the US once he did a few hours flying. The p
lane was kept in his hangar close to Calgary.
I have many pictures etc.
If the plane is currently in a good condition, this is a very good deal for
the money.
I am just completing my own Classic after 15 years of building, I incorpora
ted the baggage MOD and the 1370lbs increase a while ago. The baggage MOD i
s not too bad, I opted making the parts myself to save cost of parts and sh
ipping, but today I would get the kit.
Email me separately if you have further questions.
Best,
Christoph Both
#223 Classic
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matrorynics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Differences between classic and XS
Tony,
My advice would be to find another Europa owner who built his own (ideally
Kim Prout), offer to pay his expenses, and get him to do an inspection.
The main difference is in the wings. Baggage bay extension with weight upg
rade is available as a retrofit from the factory.
Why not fly it back to Alberta ?
Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: Differences between classic and XS
> From: albertaflyer@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:44:26 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
om>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been looking at purchasing a europa but would like to know what th
e differences are between the classic and xs? There is a classic that has b
een converted to an xs except the baggage area. What exactly are the change
s? How big is the baggage area in the classic? Also, is there any problems
with transporting the plane on the trailer for say 2100 KM? The plane I'm i
nterested in is on Barnstormers, link is http://asyouwill.com/europa/Home.h
tml. Does anyone out there know this plane? Apparently it was built in Calg
ary, AB, Canada and the current owner is in California. I'm in Alberta also
so would like to transport it home on the trailer if possible. What should
a person look for when inspecting?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
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> Tony B.
>
> Kolb MKIII C
> Rotax 582
> C Gearbox 3.00:1
> WD 66" 3 Blade Prop
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310246#310246
>
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| Subject: | Differences between classic and XS |
Hi Tony,
When Jack Acord bought this airplane, he hangared it at Livermore (KLVK),
except for the several months each year that he spent in Hawaii. Terry
Seaver and I have been flying N135TD (monowheel XS, 912S, Airmaster, both
long and short wings) out of Livermore for the past 9 years and saw Jack's
airplane there often at first. I haven't seen it recently, but the web site
you mention indicates that it is still here. If you want to come to
Livermore to have a look at it, we would be happy to show you our airplane
for comparison to a stock XS and help you do an inspection.
If you are familiar with the baggage area in an XS, just imagine that the
bulkhead at the back of the cockpit is moved forward to eliminate the back
shelf in the baggage area, and you will have an idea of what the classic is
like. I would not expect any major problems transporting a trigear on a
flat bed trailer, as long as it is well secured.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have been looking at purchasing a europa but would like to know what
> the differences are between the classic and xs? There is a classic that
> has been converted to an xs except the baggage area. What exactly are
> the changes? How big is the baggage area in the classic? Also, is there
> any problems with transporting the plane on the trailer for say 2100
> KM? The plane I'm interested in is on Barnstormers, link is
> http://asyouwill.com/europa/Home.html. Does anyone out there know this
> plane? Apparently it was built in Calgary, AB, Canada and the current
> owner is in California. I'm in Alberta also so would like to transport
> it home on the trailer if possible. What should a person look for when
> inspecting?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
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