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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Europa Sounds in Flight (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 05:02 AM - Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (Peter Zutrauen)
3. 07:16 AM - Europa Simulator Questions (SteveD)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Europa Simulator Questions (SteveD)
5. 11:08 AM - Re: Europa Sounds in Flight (neveyre@aol.co.uk)
6. 04:04 PM - Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (david miller)
7. 06:33 PM - Re: 82 UL MOGAS (creightonious)
8. 07:08 PM - Re: Engine Selection Rotax 914? (creightonious)
9. 07:44 PM - Re: Europa Sounds in Flight (Troy Maynor)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Sounds in Flight |
Troy=0AMany of us have heard it, that sound has been there since day 1. My
EZ used to =0Amake a similar sound if I forgot to put the covers on the mai
n spar access hole, =0Ait's probably a cavity resonating, maybe the aileron
push rod tunnel? Tends to =0Ahappen when the airplane rolls,=0AGraham=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Troy Maynor <wingnut54
@charter.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 30 August, 20
10 2:04:20=0ASubject: Europa-List: Europa Sounds in Flight=0A=0A =0AHi All,
=0ALong ago in the original Europa factory video, there is a segment wher
e the two =0Afactory planes do a low pass. When they pull up and bank you
can hear a =0Awhirring sound or a cry similar to the sound a bird or somet
hing. I know this =0Amay sound ridiculous but maybe some of you have heard
it yourself. I watched a =0Ashort clip of my Europa do a fast low pass las
t Thursday and heard it coming =0Afrom mine also. You can't detect anythin
g inside the cockpit that I'm aware of, =0Aand I'm certain I didn't go sup
ersonic. The first time I flew over my brothers =0Ahome a couple months ag
o his wife later said (with an unknowing worried look on =0Aher face) that
she had heard a screaking sound. At the time I didn't lend much =0Acreeda
nce to her comment. It happened again while flying over another friends
=0Ahouse, so now I am curious. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it com
ing from =0Athe engine? Prop? Somewhere along the airframe? I don't think
it's anything to =0Aworry about but I just want to know if others have hea
rd this. On all =0Aoccasions, the aircraft was in a banking climb. It act
ually sounded pretty =0Acool. Just wondering....=0A =0ATroy Maynor=0AMonowh
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| Subject: | Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). |
Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East (who are no
t
attending the Rough-River fly-in) of:
WINGS OVER GATINEAU,
CANADA=91S FIRST EAA FLY-IN!
Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in! September
17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to take part in the
inaugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital. September 18 is Vintage Wing
s
of Canada=91s Victoria Cross Airshow. This yearly event draws hundreds of
aircraft and spectators. This year will feature, among other aircraft,
their Goodyear FG-1D Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous
recipient, Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Battl
e
of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying aircraft
will include the =94Merlins=91; Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum=91s Lanca
ster,
Spitfires, Hurricanes, and perhaps Russell=91s Bf 109 Messerschmitt.
So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow together
with a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine warbirds, and
collector=91s aircraft at Gatineau; a bussing excursion to Rockcliffe for t
he
Battle of Britain celebration and re-enactment; a tour of the Canada
Aviation and Space Museum; all together with the camaraderie and making of
friends from across the nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in.
Aircraft parking and camping with showers, etc., Plus camping and parking
for the wheeled variety of RV=91s will make the visit comfortable and
convenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly formed EAA Warbird Squadron
will host the fly-in. NavCan will declare the airspace as Class F with
arriving and departing aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders ar
e
not required, but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B-B-
Q
on Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings, breakfast on Saturday morning
hosted by EAA Chapter 245, and a sit-down dinner with French Canadian
cuisine and live entertainment in the theme of the events on Saturday
evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be available.
So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these magnificent
aircraft; Vintage Wings=91salute to the Victoria Cross winners with their
annual airshow; EAA playing a supportive role to the event with our first
Canadian Fly-in; the battle of Britain re-enactment; the Canada Aviation
and Space Museum; the camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts; airplanes; our
unique cultural diversity; fantastic fall colours; Frenchcuisine.
What=91snot to like?
Links:
Arrival Procedures and schedule:
http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/
- Hide quoted text -
Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video:
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001
Cheers,
Pete :-)
A239
EAA245 chapter member
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| Subject: | Europa Simulator Questions |
Hello all, I have a user on EuropaOwners that is building a simulator out of XS
Trigear G-BWGH shell. His post can be found here:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=25326#p25326
Pictures here:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... a14a112000
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... f6a0dc3948
http://jetranger.webs.com
Here's his last post looking for information, if you can help him out please post
on EuropaOwners, Thanks.
Hey Steve,
thanks again for your interest. I was wondering if you might be able to help me
out. I've just started fine tuning the flight model on my own personal computer,
ready for when the sim computers arrive. Would you be able to supply me with
any of the following pieces of information, i realize that some are specific
to each individual aircraft, but just the 'average' aircraft is fine for what
i want:
- Performance figures, i.e Power Setting, Rate of Climb and Airspeed, for a few
different power settings
- The different flap settings, how many settings are there normally, and to what
angles are these settings?
- The pitch range of the blades on the prop (constant speed), e.g. from 14 degrees
to 40 degrees
Any of this information would be much appreciated, i'll let you know if there's
anything else i need as-well
Thanks in advance for any help,
Lucas
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Simulator Questions |
Correction to Facebook links:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=177819&id=728791032&l=a14a112000
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=197951&id=728791032&l=f6a0dc3948
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Sounds in Flight |
Hi Troy / Graham / All,
The ''whistle'' comes from the airflow over the slots in the rear fuselage
where the tailplane trim tab ''Tee'' bar exits.
During the flight testing of G-YURO and G-ELSA , we experimented with clos
ing up all the gaps etc to see if there was any worth in doing just that,
all that happened with the sealing of the tee bar slot was that the noise
went.
On G-ELSA, I had to replace the tailplane pitch pushrod, which meant cutti
ng a 2 1/2'' hole in the lower sternpost to withdraw it aft, the whistle
went, when I eventually plugged the hole, the whistle returned.
I guess it is like playing a flute [ which I have never done] or blowing
over the neck of a beer bottle [ which I have !]
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:12
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Sounds in Flight
Troy
Many of us have heard it, that sound has been there since day 1. My EZ use
d to make a similar sound if I forgot to put the covers on the main spar
access hole, it's probably a cavity resonating, maybe the aileron push ro
d tunnel? Tends to happen when the airplane rolls,
Graham
From: Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net>
Sent: Monday, 30 August, 2010 2:04:20
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Sounds in Flight
Hi All,
Long ago in the original Europa factory video, there is a segment where th
e two factory planes do a low pass. When they pull up and bank you can hea
r a whirring sound or a cry similar to the sound a bird or something. I kn
ow this may sound ridiculous but maybe some of you have heard it yourself.
I watched a short clip of my Europa do a fast low pass last Thursday and
heard it coming from mine also. You can't detect anything inside the cock
pit that I'm aware of, and I'm certain I didn't go supersonic. The first
time I flew over my brothers home a couple months ago his wife later said
(with an unknowing worried look on her face) that she had heard a screaki
ng sound. At the time I didn't lend much creedance to her comment. It happ
ened again while flying over another friends house, so now I am curious.
Has anyone else experienced this? Is it coming from the engine? Prop? Som
ewhere along the airframe? I don't think it's anything to worry about but
I just want to know if others have heard this. On all occasions, the air
craft was in a banking climb. It actually sounded pretty cool. Just wonder
ing....
Troy Maynor
Monowheel Classic UK120
47 fun hours so far!
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| Subject: | Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). |
Hi Pete,
Chris had suggested that we come down for this.
Would be for the day on Friday or Saturday, and very much depends on
the weather.
Will probably just bring one of the aircraft.
Dave
do not archive
On 31-Aug-10, at 7:59 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote:
> Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East
> (who are not attending the Rough-River fly-in) of:
>
> WINGS OVER GATINEAU,
> CANADA=91S FIRST EAA FLY-IN!
>
> Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in!
> September 17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to
> take part in the inaugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital.
> September 18 is Vintage Wings of Canada=91s Victoria Cross Airshow.
> This yearly event draws hundreds of aircraft and spectators. This
> year will feature, among other aircraft, their Goodyear FG-1D
> Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous recipient,
> Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Battle
> of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying
> aircraft will include the =94Merlins=91; Canadian Warplane Heritage
> Museum=91s Lancaster, Spitfires, Hurricanes, and perhaps Russell=91s
Bf
> 109 Messerschmitt.
>
> So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow
> together with a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine
> warbirds, and collector=91s aircraft at Gatineau; a bussing excursion
> to Rockcliffe for the Battle of Britain celebration and re-
> enactment; a tour of the Canada Aviation and Space Museum; all
> together with the camaraderie and making of friends from across the
> nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in.
>
> Aircraft parking and camping with showers, etc., Plus camping and
> parking for the wheeled variety of RV=91s will make the visit
> comfortable and convenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly
> formed EAA Warbird Squadron will host the fly-in. NavCan will
> declare the airspace as Class F with arriving and departing
> aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders are not required,
> but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B-B-Q on
> Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings, breakfast on Saturday morning
> hosted by EAA Chapter 245, and a sit-down dinner with French
> Canadian cuisine and live entertainment in the theme of the events
> on Saturday evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be
> available.
>
> So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these
> magnificent aircraft; Vintage Wings=91salute to the Victoria Cross
> winners with their annual airshow; EAA playing a supportive role
> to the event with our first Canadian Fly-in; the battle of Britain
> re-enactment; the Canada Aviation and Space Museum; the
> camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts; airplanes; our unique cultural
> diversity; fantastic fall colours; Frenchcuisine. What=91snot to
> like?
>
> Links:
>
> Arrival Procedures and schedule:
> http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video:
> http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001
>
>
> Cheers,
> Pete :-)
> A239
> EAA245 chapter member
>
>
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Just a note regarding low octane alco-free mo gas.
As good an octane booster as alcohol is, it ain't nothin compared to tetraethyl
lead.
A previous fill of 100LL, burned down to 30% of capacity, when filled with 92RON
will test higher than the 95RON with alcohol tests.
Creighton AO36
PS This was knowledge won during the dark days of the '80s when we found that
a mix of leaded regular and regulated unleaded gave a better AKI than either on
our street rods. And 100LL has a lot more lead than leadad regular. Staved
off extinction for a few years.
C
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Selection Rotax 914? |
Sorry to be late, but the 914 sounds perfect for you.
As a guy who opted for a 912, I must say that if you are going anywhere (North
American style) the advantage of getting up there and riding the winds at 12000
(more with O2) the 914 is hard to beat. If you were to couple this with the
914's superior fuel economy above 7000ft, well, the defense rests.
Creighton A036
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Sounds in Flight |
Well Now Folks,
Wasn't that an interesting discussion. Mystery solved. Now I love my Europa even
more now that I know she whistles to folks on the ground. Thanks one and all.
Troy M. N120EU Lil' Grace
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