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1. 07:21 AM - Classic build manual (Phil B)
2. 07:53 AM - Rough River Up-Date # 12 (JEFF ROBERTS)
3. 08:24 AM - Re: Classic build manual (Paul McAllister)
4. 08:39 AM - Mod 60 - Installation of underwing Pitot/Static (Phil B)
5. 08:40 AM - Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (Rob Housman)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (Peter Zutrauen)
7. 09:07 AM - Re: Classic build manual (G-IANI)
8. 11:02 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
9. 11:09 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Classic build manual |
I have purchased a Classic third hand but do not have the build manual.
Does anyone have a copy of the complete Classic manual they can loan me (for copying)?
I will return it quickly and pay postage etc.
Alternatively, to help me on my way can anyone out there provide me with a copy
(either paper or electronic) of the wing construction section of the classic
manual?
Thanks,
Phil B
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Subject: | Rough River Up-Date # 12 |
More builders are coming. Latest additions.
Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in.
Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer
bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o)
John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon
Lady.
Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl
mods ready.
Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in
Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!
Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep
em separate boys!
John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF
Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville.
Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard
mates!
Great to have the west coast boys.
Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4
Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4
Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit
Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4
And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us
know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0)
Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA
William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the
big iron in with Fred. Welcome Bill!!
Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 2010 and beyond!
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Subject: | Re: Classic build manual |
I'll send you a PDF for the wings off forum. - Paul
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Phil B <daveporthcawl@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I have purchased a Classic third hand but do not have the build manual.
> Does anyone have a copy of the complete Classic manual they can loan me
> (for copying)? I will return it quickly and pay postage etc.
> Alternatively, to help me on my way can anyone out there provide me with a
> copy (either paper or electronic) of the wing construction section of the
> classic manual?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil B
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310928#310928
>
>
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Subject: | Mod 60 - Installation of underwing Pitot/Static |
Has anyone installed the factory supplied pitot/static by accessing the internals
of the wing by entering the wing through the aileron closeout and bonding (say)
a 4 aluminium disc with Araldite 420 to the inside of the wing skin in the
appropriate location? This is instead of cutting the 45mm hole through the wing
and then taking off another 40mm of paint around this hole to bond the ply
fixing disc in place.
As the position of the pitot/static under the wing is only 4 forward of the aileron
closeout it seems a pity to damage the finish to the wing if it possible
to carry out the work as suggested above.
The cut out in the aileron close out can be repaired in a similar way to Mod 74
ie. the foam replaced and 3 plies of bid, lapping the first ply over the skin
by 80mm(3 1/4), the second by 15mm(5/8) less than the first, and the third 25mm(1)
greater than the first.
Let me know if you think I'm mad.
Thanks
Phil B
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Subject: | Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). |
.and your subject line made me think that there was a fly-in at nearby KONT
in Ontario, CA J
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:59 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR).
Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East (who are not
attending the Rough-River fly-in) of:
WINGS OVER GATINEAU,
CANADA'S FIRST EAA FLY-IN!
Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in! September
17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to take part in the
inaugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital. September 18 is Vintage Wings
of Canada's Victoria Cross Airshow. This yearly event draws hundreds of
aircraft and spectators. This year will feature, among other aircraft,
their Goodyear FG-1D Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous
recipient, Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Battle
of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying aircraft
will include the "Merlins'; Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum's Lancaster,
Spitfires, Hurricanes, and perhaps Russell's Bf 109 Messerschmitt.
So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow together
with a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine warbirds, and
collector's aircraft at Gatineau; a bussing excursion to Rockcliffe for the
Battle of Britain celebration and re-enactment; a tour of the Canada
Aviation and Space Museum; all together with the camaraderie and making of
friends from across the nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in.
Aircraft parking and camping with showers, etc., Plus camping and parking
for the wheeled variety of RV's will make the visit comfortable and
convenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly formed EAA Warbird Squadron
will host the fly-in. NavCan will declare the airspace as Class F with
arriving and departing aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders are
not required, but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B-B-Q
on Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings, breakfast on Saturday morning
hosted by EAA Chapter 245, and a sit-down dinner with French Canadian
cuisine and live entertainment in the theme of the events on Saturday
evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be available.
So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these magnificent
aircraft; Vintage Wings'salute to the Victoria Cross winners with their
annual airshow; EAA playing a supportive role to the event with our first
Canadian Fly-in; the battle of Britain re-enactment; the Canada Aviation
and Space Museum; the camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts; airplanes; our
unique cultural diversity; fantastic fall colours; Frenchcuisine.
What'snot to like?
Links:
Arrival Procedures and schedule:
http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/
- Hide quoted text -
Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video:
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001
Cheers,
Pete :-)
A239
EAA245 chapter member
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Subject: | Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). |
Oops - should'a used CAN instead of CA (as I was aware of that Ontario,
Calif. place), but decided instead to confuse everyone and go with the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario definition ;-)
Pity that it's on the same weekend as RR - wow that is really starting to
look like the biggest gathering of Europa's in NA do-date! I hope it
continues to grow for the day far in the future when I'll be able to fly
mine down :-)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
(do not archive)
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Rob Housman <rob@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> =85and your subject line made me think that there was a fly-in at nearby
KONT
> in Ontario, CA J
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, CA
>
> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>
> A070
>
> Airframe complete
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Zutrauen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:59 AM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR).
>
>
> Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East (who are
> not attending the Rough-River fly-in) of:
>
> WINGS OVER GATINEAU,
>
> CANADA=91S FIRST EAA FLY-IN!
>
>
> Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in! Septembe
r
> 17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to take part in the
> inaugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital. September 18 is Vintage Wi
ngs
> of Canada=91s Victoria Cross Airshow. This yearly event draws hundreds o
f
> aircraft and spectators. This year will feature, among other aircraft,
> their Goodyear FG-1D Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous
> recipient, Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Bat
tle
> of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying aircra
ft
> will include the =94Merlins=91; Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum=91s Lan
caster,
> Spitfires, Hurricanes, and perhaps Russell=91s Bf 109 Messerschmitt.
>
>
> So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow together
> with a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine warbirds, and
> collector=91s aircraft at Gatineau; a bussing excursion to Rockcliffe for
the
> Battle of Britain celebration and re-enactment; a tour of the Canada
> Aviation and Space Museum; all together with the camaraderie and making
of
> friends from across the nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in.
>
>
> Aircraft parking and camping with showers, etc., Plus camping and parkin
g
> for the wheeled variety of RV=91s will make the visit comfortable and
> convenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly formed EAA Warbird Squadro
n
> will host the fly-in. NavCan will declare the airspace as Class F with
> arriving and departing aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders
are
> not required, but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B-
B-Q
> on Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings, breakfast on Saturday morning
> hosted by EAA Chapter 245, and a sit-down dinner with French Canadian
> cuisine and live entertainment in the theme of the events on Saturday
> evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be available.
>
>
> So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these magnificen
t
> aircraft; Vintage Wings=91salute to the Victoria Cross winners with thei
r
> annual airshow; EAA playing a supportive role to the event with our firs
t
> Canadian Fly-in; the battle of Britain re-enactment; the Canada Aviatio
n
> and Space Museum; the camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts; airplanes; ou
r
> unique cultural diversity; fantastic fall colours; Frenchcuisine.
> What=91snot to like?
>
>
> Links:
>
>
> Arrival Procedures and schedule:
>
> http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
>
> Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video:
>
> http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001
>
>
> Cheers,
> Pete :-)
> A239
> EAA245 chapter member
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Subject: | Classic build manual |
Phil
I will send you a copy (0f list) of the "How to build a Classic" manual I am
preparing for Europa
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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